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OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 11:50:01 AM

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You think WITP is logistical nightmare, try this one!!!

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Support counters include spares and repair parts...test equipment...technical training teams...technical data...field engineers...field integration services...mobile maintenance units...intermediate- and depot-level facilities...and much more.

Sounds like a real job.

Edit: It comes with lots of forms....

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 12:17:52 PM

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I don't know this game, but maybe the most complex game ever made should be this one
The Campaign for North Africa

Year Published 1979
# of Players 8 − 10

Playing Time 60000 minutes

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 12:40:53 PM

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wonder if anyone actually played that SPI monster through......

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 1:01:30 PM

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I have the game (and so many more) in storage out in Idaho.

Never played it, but remember reading rules about having to plan ahead to have enough water in order for the Italians to boil their pasta - decided that was perhaps more detail than I wanted to deal with back then.

Might make for a great computer game now, however.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 1:45:33 PM

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wonder if anyone actually played that SPI monster through......

I did with 4 people 2 on a side. Pretty amazing system. Watching the continuous erosion of available truck for the Germans (plus not having enough to start with) to carry fuel and supplies was depressing.

The game did an impressive job of really conveying the vast distance the NA campaign covered. Even today no computer game has been able to contain that sense of distance. We'll have to see how the WitW expansion does with the topic. Of course the Allies certainly did not have any issues with transport lol.

For the record monster games were the ones I played the most.
War in Europe, Wacht am Rhein, Highway to the Reich, War in the Pacific (board Game), Streets of Stalingrad (one of my favorites), and Atlantic Wall. I also played a bunch of pre-WWII games like this too.

How could I play all of these? Sheets of steel and lots and lots of magnets

. When you want to play these games when space is limited, wall space is your friend

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 3:55:30 PM

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I have the game (and so many more) in storage out in Idaho.

Never played it, but remember reading rules about having to plan ahead to have enough water in order for the Italians to boil their pasta - decided that was perhaps more detail than I wanted to deal with back then.

Might make for a great computer game now, however.

Yes I remember this thing, unfortunately all old games about WWII Desert War did not come from Italian fonts, lot of commonplaces...and this rule is so ridiculous that I wonder how a designer can think that it was real.

If you have ever played OCS Tunisia, the Italian Army is represented in a more historical way.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 6:25:05 PM

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When you want to play these games when space is limited, wall space is your friend

War in the Pacific (the board game). Pascagoula Mississippi about 1977.
The game was on the wall of my large bedroom in my townhouse for little over a year.

Don't remember how far we got probably not much more than 1943.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 6:59:37 PM

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What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 9:04:12 PM

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What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 10:53:46 PM

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I believe it was the AH General magazine had an article about THE WW2 monster, 1 hex = 10 metres, each counter represnets 1 man or 1 vehicle. Took up a bit of space!!

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/19/2015 11:00:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blind Sniper

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ORIGINAL: DD696

I have the game (and so many more) in storage out in Idaho.

Never played it, but remember reading rules about having to plan ahead to have enough water in order for the Italians to boil their pasta - decided that was perhaps more detail than I wanted to deal with back then.

Might make for a great computer game now, however.

Yes I remember this thing, unfortunately all old games about WWII Desert War did not come from Italian fonts, lot of commonplaces...and this rule is so ridiculous that I wonder how a designer can think that it was real.

If you have ever played OCS Tunisia, the Italian Army is represented in a more historical way.

The original game posted by Reg could be interesting, I work in a Supply chain buying goods in world wide and often with restrictions on what can carry them. This could be a great team building type game, except its gigantic!!

I have played the CFNA Operation Compass scenario twice with a group, about 4 on each side. Makes it easier with specialised staff, just like real life.

As to the Passata & Pasta water rules, they dont exist, it was only a bit of humour but an attempt to show how detailed it was.

PS The Italian Army of 1940 was accurately represented, under armed, poorly led and left in positions which couldnt support each other. It was then attacked by a well led an mobile force made up mainly from long term regulars. It was beaten piecemeal and lost 2/3 of its Nth African Territory. It performance in Abysyynia was little better, only aided by terrain and the lower quality of the attackers.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 4:23:04 PM

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wonder if anyone actually played that SPI monster through......

Yes...
Twice.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 4:30:54 PM

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War in Europe used to take up about 12 sq feet if you left off Scandinavian countries! My Gf used to threaten to lay naked in the middle to get some attention.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 5:50:04 PM

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As to the Passata & Pasta water rules, they dont exist, it was only a bit of humour but an attempt to show how detailed it was.

My fault then, I remember that another player said something about this rule some times ago in another forum (maybe CSW or GS?) therefore I wrote this.
Maybe my sense of humour is not regulate so well.

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PS The Italian Army of 1940 was accurately represented, under armed, poorly led and left in positions which couldnt support each other. It was then attacked by a well led an mobile force made up mainly from long term regulars. It was beaten piecemeal and lost 2/3 of its Nth African Territory. It performance in Abysyynia was little better, only aided by terrain and the lower quality of the attackers.

No doubt about that.

Anyhow I heard very good feedbacks about DAK2 but never played it because is out of print and very expensive.

The next monster game will be this one: The Greatest Day: Sword, Juno, and Gold Beaches, and it is only the first of the series.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 7:44:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

wonder if anyone actually played that SPI monster through......

The game did an impressive job of really conveying the vast distance the NA campaign covered. Even today no computer game has been able to contain that sense of distance. We'll have to see how the WitW expansion does with the topic. Of course the Allies certainly did not have any issues with transport lol.

I just checked. The distance from Casablanca to Cairo: 2,282 miles
from Prague to Volgograd: 1,348 miles

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 8:01:07 PM

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What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

I have pics of an Austerlitz battle played on a handmade map with hand-painted cardboard unit pieces. The map took up the better part of 4' x 8' plywood and particle board sheets, laid on sawhorses. The pics were at various points in the battle, but they're Polaroids (or the Kodak knock-off) and they suck.
The map was painted with watercolors and the pieces with oil or acrylic (don't remember). They were decorated with rub off numbers and symbols for the unit types. Think I still have it but I'm missing some of the pieces.

I don't think it was that game but a similarly large one and I had a cat get up on it and bat some of the pieces around in a game in progress.

He learned never to get up there again. Reconstructed it accurately, I believe, with the help of my opponent.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 9:13:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: iley

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What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

I have pics of an Austerlitz battle played on a handmade map with hand-painted cardboard unit pieces. The map took up the better part of 4' x 8' plywood and particle board sheets, laid on sawhorses. The pics were at various points in the battle, but they're Polaroids (or the Kodak knock-off) and they suck.
The map was painted with watercolors and the pieces with oil or acrylic (don't remember). They were decorated with rub off numbers and symbols for the unit types. Think I still have it but I'm missing some of the pieces.

I don't think it was that game but a similarly large one and I had a cat get up on it and bat some of the pieces around in a game in progress. He learned never to get up there again. Reconstructed it accurately, I believe, with the help of my opponent.

Did a similar thing in the mid sixties. Not sure which one but some magazine did an extensive article on the battle
Of Waterloo. Very detailed maps with descriptions and paintings of the different types of units and uniforms.
I had just started playing Avalon Hill games. Using poster board and construction paper I made me a game.
Using AH rules as a basis I made my own rules.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 10:47:02 PM

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My friends and I also made a Jutland game. I can't remember how it all worked. We either had two maps or one. We did have a moderator (my brother). I was Beatty, a friend was Jellicoe, his brother was either Hipper or Scheer, I don't remember, nor do I remember who the fourth player was. I remember one of Jellicoe's messages to me was something like "I say, Beatty old bean, what the heck is going on?" or something to that effect. We couldn't talk to each other directly and what we sent was subject to random static which could lead to blanks or misspellings. We also had to make up a code because the High Seas Fleet would intercept, similarly with errors. That sentence I gave you must have been in the clear, though. We used all kind of dice from 6 sided to 12 depending on what the roll was for. The result was very similar to what happened historically. I believe the QEs were under Jellicoe's control. The system was almost entirely invented by the Jellicoe player. Incidentally, I believe I responded to the above message by addressing him as Jellybelly, he was a mite portly, my friend.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/20/2015 11:49:03 PM

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War in Europe used to take up about 12 sq feet if you left off Scandinavian countries! My Gf used to threaten to lay naked in the middle to get some attention.

I would say that is definitely an announcement of naked aggression

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 1:09:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

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ORIGINAL: iley

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

I have pics of an Austerlitz battle played on a handmade map with hand-painted cardboard unit pieces. The map took up the better part of 4' x 8' plywood and particle board sheets, laid on sawhorses. The pics were at various points in the battle, but they're Polaroids (or the Kodak knock-off) and they suck.
The map was painted with watercolors and the pieces with oil or acrylic (don't remember). They were decorated with rub off numbers and symbols for the unit types. Think I still have it but I'm missing some of the pieces.

I don't think it was that game but a similarly large one and I had a cat get up on it and bat some of the pieces around in a game in progress. He learned never to get up there again. Reconstructed it accurately, I believe, with the help of my opponent.

In the early 70 my older brother used to play some kind of naval wargame with miniatures. Must have been scenarios as they only took an afternoon. They rented out the HS gym and used the whole basketball court. I thought it was about the geekiest thing I had ever heard of in my life. Girls were far more interesting.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 2:17:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: iley

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

I have pics of an Austerlitz battle played on a handmade map with hand-painted cardboard unit pieces. The map took up the better part of 4' x 8' plywood and particle board sheets, laid on sawhorses. The pics were at various points in the battle, but they're Polaroids (or the Kodak knock-off) and they suck.
The map was painted with watercolors and the pieces with oil or acrylic (don't remember). They were decorated with rub off numbers and symbols for the unit types. Think I still have it but I'm missing some of the pieces.

I don't think it was that game but a similarly large one and I had a cat get up on it and bat some of the pieces around in a game in progress. He learned never to get up there again. Reconstructed it accurately, I believe, with the help of my opponent.

In the early 70 my older brother used to play some kind of naval wargame with miniatures. Must have been scenarios as they only took an afternoon. They rented out the HS gym and used the whole basketball court. I thought it was about the geekiest thing I had ever heard of in my life. Girls were far more interesting.

What?!? Are you a moose or a meese?

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 1:09:01 PM

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AH's Jutland game was the first team game I ever played. That was decades ago have almost no memory of it.
The biggest game I ever took a shot at was Game Design Workshop's Europa series. Monumental!

I was and am a war game geek. In the seventies and early eighties I would spend my summer vacation
attending the large war game convention on the East Coast. If I remember right it was called origins.
My goal in life was to win the Avalon Hill 500.

Now that I'm retired and have absolutely nothing else to do I'm getting back into games.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 2:27:13 PM

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I have printed a map of the WITP map on heavy paper sth in the 1.5 mt by 3mt range , and had it coated with plastic. It has extra space in the intersections sections so it's easy to fold it.

I generally roll it on my study but I am now preparing a mount to have it permanent hang on the wall. I also use a grease pen to mark moves and think what's next but now I am cutting up little unit markers ( division - TF - AF size currently ) to place on it. Maybe if I have a large map , I can go down to the HEX sized unit pinups.

Now that I wrote this I realized I am slowly reverse-engineering the game :)

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room.

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 4:22:51 PM

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Moose, I think that game was called "Seapower". Made for use wih 1/1200 scale ships. Somewhere in the garage I still have a bunch of those ships in a box. They were made by a company in Virginia called "ALNAVCO". I think they marketed the game as well.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 4:51:18 PM

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Most complex game ever devised is called US Senate.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 8:41:14 PM

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Most complex game ever devised is called US Senate.

You would be bored to tears if you were in the Senate.

You could probably do WitPAE turns while in the chamber.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 8:45:38 PM

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Thread sure wandered fast.

yada yada yad...yea I played and owned all the mega games with the notable exception of Campaign for North Afrika.

However, I am very intrigued by the OPs find.

Never heard of Westinghouse making board games....they area an appliance manufacturer after all.

It appears to be cold war based as it mentions missiles on the cover.

Extremely curious about the innards of that box.

You have to share some screen shots of the contents!

Please

Please

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 10:44:29 PM

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Westinghouse was/is also a major defence contractor as well as appliance manufacturer.

I would put money on this being an internal analysist training tool (which would explain its rarity*).

Unfortunately it wasn't me that bought it (though I was tempted) so you will have to be satisfied with the Board Game Geek link below.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8819/logistics-command

Other Westinghouse games:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgamepublisher/4310/westinghouse

(* All of 26 people claim to own Logistics Command, only 3 each of their other products).

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 11:38:20 PM

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I'd bet it was also a recruiting tool looking for talent, and not necessarily military related.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 11:54:49 PM

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That's been done before...

The Sky's the Limit

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