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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/18/2015 12:38:42 PM   
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I know I'll have a bunch of Ha-35 engines later. I'll need to see what's available that uses that engine.

Tsurugi is a great plane; fast, big bomb (800), and Ha35. Wish it was longer range, but always wish that.


Hey Pax, what is the designation for the Tsurugi? I never learned the names for the late war planes.


It's the Ki-115.

I'm researching it a little bit, but I don't expect great things from it... it's a kamikaze and that's it? I think it has low durability, from memory. Wasn't it made from a lot of wood?


IIRC, the IJA training units that arrive with the crappy training aircraft can upgrade to it either without a PP cost or with a reduced PP cost. That's the real value of that airframe.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 11:15:11 AM   
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Thanks for the info guys. The Ki-115 sounds like a winner (or maybe wiener) for a Kamikaze.

Sorry for the lack of turns here. Ted was in England for the week and had horrible access (but had a great time there). I got the turn Sunday and finally ran it but still haven't had the time to get it back to him. Anyway, here goes...

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 11:16:12 AM   
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6 May 43

Sub War

I have 4 midget subs hanging out at Adak. I finally figured out how to use them properly. Should they fire their subs and survive, I’ll disband them back into the pool. They then will be available a couple weeks or so later. Anyhoo, the Ha-40 found a small resupply convoy of 3x LSI(L)s and put a torpedo into one, heavily damaging her. She didn’t sink (yet) because after the turn, I saw what I think is her limping to the east. I did hear sinking sounds immediately after. I’ll explain what I think it is in the 5 Fleet section.

5 Fleet

A minesweeping TF of 4x AMs swept 34 mines at Adak, leaving 21. I have a minelaying TF heading to lay its eggs at Adak, but with all the Allied TFs hanging out, they may not get a chance to reach port. The 4x AMs all were heavily damaged by the CD guns. I believe the sinking sounds I heard was an AM sinking. Later in the day, I heard more sinking sounds, probably another AM. How many AMs do the Allies get? He seems to have an unending supply!

The two remaining LSI(L)s dropped their supply, which sucks. I’m hoping the 41 Division is disrupted enough that it can’t attack, even with the supply. It didn’t attack today.

Rereading this, maybe this extra supply for the Allies is a blessing in disguise for the Japanese. With ample supply, Ted may attack again against rested, full strength Japanese forces with ample supply (currently 14k) and in level 6 forts. I’ll take those odds!

In the air, 4x B-24s and 3x B-25s attacked my troops at Adak. No Canadian Bolingbrokes (which I learned are the Canadian version of the Blenheim IV) flew today. Twenty Oscars intercepted, shooting down 2x B-25s and a B-24, while flak got another B-24 at a cost of a single Oscar. Banzai!

In the afternoon, my Judys got in on the action, attacking a TF in a dot hex 5 hexes to the east of Adak. Three Judys, escorted by 13 Oscars ran into 22 Wildcats. Hmm… The Oscars held off the Wildcats losing 5 of their number. The 3 Judys dropped on the Hornet! Unfortunately, they missed and a Judy was lost to flak.

My “intel” says there are 4 CVs in that TF. I suspect it’s only the Hornet because only 22 Wildcats intercepted. Intel says there are 29 fighters, 58 bombers and 4 auxiliary aircraft in the TF. Those numbers sound about right if the Lex left the AO. I estimate the bombers to be 10 Avengers and 48 Dauntlesses and that the Lex left most of her DBs and fighters on the Hornet. One TB squadron was entirely wiped out on 24 April. I hope she hangs around because the Junyo and Hiyo are heading north from Truk, but they are still 5-6 days out. They have 54 Zeros, 36 Vals and 18 Kates. That should be enough to overwhelm the Hornet. They’re heading north to come to a launch position 7 hexes to the SW of Hornet.

Adak’s damage is down to just 11 port. I don’t expect his BBs to show up given 1 of the 8 ate 3 sub torpedoes (and sank, I believe) and a second ate one torpedo. Maybe they will come back. We’ll see.

All of the troops are at 100% strength (or more in the case of the tank regiment) with only a couple squads and ~10 or so tanks disabled. My reinforcement of 2x divisions, 4x 15cm artillery regiments and 1x 90mm mortar regiment are loading, but it’ll be awhile before they get there. I suspect the carrier battle will be over long before they arrive. That will actually work out well. Should I prevail, I’ll have carrier support (KB2 and MKB2) in the vicinity to protect the transports as they arrive. Should Ted prevail, my reinforcements will not go in. It’s pretty simple. Should be exciting.

4 Fleet

Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

Enemy fighters swept Rabaul and Gasmata with a handful of B-25s hitting Tulagi ineffectively. Total losses were 6 fighters on each side.

Other than that, all was quiet in this AO.

Rabaul’s damage is down to 14-11-0 and Tulagi’s damage is fully repaired.

SRA
Burma


Nothing to report.

China

My troops continue to maneuver. A nice air bombardment of Chungking destroyed a couple Chinese fighters while damaging another half dozen planes.

Some of the Great Yellow Horde appeared just south of Chungking. I suspect they’ll move into Chungking.

Other Stuff

Engine, airframe and stuff pools are all looking good. The Ha-45 pool is up to 390, increasing by a dozen or more each day. I’ll hit 500 by mid-May so then my Frank, George and Francis R&D will double.

My naval ship point pool is allowing me to accelerate 3x CVs every other day. Those 3 CVs are all currently scheduled to arrive on 13 Dec 43. At that rate, they should arrive in September 1943. It will be nice to get another 200 aircraft capacity for KB. That’ll leave 3 more CVs that I am building. They are all scheduled to arrive sometime in 1944. I’ll look at them tonight to see if they’re worth accelerating when the first 3 are finished or whether I should just shut them off. I’m tempted to keep building them because to date, I’ve lost only the Hiryu. On the other side, Ted hasn’t lost any carriers at all.

So far, there has been no large carrier battle. The most recent exchange up north was between 3x Japanese CVLs and 2x US CVs. The Lex took some damage (1 torp and a 500kg bomb) that will require a few weeks in the yard to repair. My carriers took no damage. The Hornet is still hanging around providing cover to all the little TFs floating around up there. I’m hoping to take Hornet out in a week, should she stick around.

KB1 is currently composed of only 2 CVs (Soryu and Ryujo) located at Truk. The other 4 CVs (Akagi, Kaga, Shokaku and Zuikaku) are in refit at the Home Islands. Two will complete tomorrow and the other 2 will complete in about 4-5 days. That was a risk I was willing to take because I knew Ted was anxious to upgrade his Wildcats to Hellcats and that will take to the end of May. When KB1 is reconstituted, It’ll have a total of 201 Zeros, 54 Vals, 36 Judys and 117 Kates. In June, I’ll begin to upgrade the Kates with Jills (N2 model). That is in addition to KB2, MKB1 and MKB2, which have a total of 117 Zeros, 54 Vals and 60 Kates. I also have a CVE on TK escort duty with 27x Vals. I am going to upgrade them with Judys. A 500kg bomb will ruin a subs day.

If KB1 were to launch against Ted’s carriers, I think they could do a number on them. I keep my CAP set at 60% of my fighters, so the offensive potential is 54 Vals at range 6 and 36 Judys and 117 Kates at range 7 escorted by 80 Zeros with 120 Zeros for fleet defense. Very nice.

The Chitose, Chiyoda, Mizuho and Nisshin are all converting to CVLs. When they are done in a few months, they’ll add 84 Zeros and 36 Kates to the mix. By September 1943, assuming no carrier losses, my total carrier strength will be almost 1000 aircraft.

There are quite a few new models arriving in the coming months, to include:

June 43
B6N2 Jill – Carrier TB – 30/month
E15K1 Norm – New FP – 30/month

July 43
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar – 128/month
Ki-100-II Tony – 120/month
A6M5c Zero – Armor! – 120/month – land based, maybe some on carriers for CAP.
H8K2-L Emily (TR) – 4/month
N1K1 Rex (FF) – Not sure I’ll build these.

August 43
P1Y1 Francis – 30/month

September 43
N1K2-J George – 120/month
Ki-49-IIb Helen – 90/month

October 43
J1N1-S Irving (NF) – Not sure I’ll build any of these.

November 43
D4Y3 Judy – Carrier DB – 30/month

I currently have the best Tojo model building (Ki-44-IIc). I’m almost to the point where I can field a sentai. They will go to SE Fleet AO to upgrade the Tojos down there. The Ki-44-IIa is holding its own there (and in Burma) so I expect a lot from this new model. I hope to turn the tide a bit with my new fighters (Tojo, George, Zero and Tony) over the next few months. I may outfit a couple of my carriers with the A6M5c Zero for CAP. By using them in that way, their short range will not hamper offensive operations. I’ll take a closer look at their stats as well as field any comments (as always) on what model of Zero should be used on carriers for offensive ops.

Finally, I’m going to use a Judy recon chutai (maybe 2) on 1-2 of my carriers for naval search purposes to free up some of my bombers for their primary mission. I need to check to see what units are available. I suspect it’ll be a training unit. I’m doing well with naval search pilots in the pool so I can afford to release a naval search chutai.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 11:21:13 AM   
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Been thinking about the Allies assault on Adak. My forces have an AV equal to about a division. With level 6 forts, that's doubled twice so Ted will need to either wear my troops down significantly or land 4 divisions to get 1:1 odds. The down side of my defenses is that it's composed of a bunch of small units. A division hitting small units can usually cause serious damage to them. Not sure how the forts affect that though. The one attack he did on my units was the turn after he landed. He used APAs (which are amazing!) so I have no idea on how much disruption the division had. We'll see...

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 11:31:24 AM   
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Mike, when is the Frank a due? And in what numbers?

You will be happy with Tony, you might want to think about jumping production there another 30 planes a month. I think you will need them.

Definitely try to re-take the air initiative. So very important.

I don't know if you have looked at the BB to BB/CS conversion. Turns the BB into a floating AA gun deck (some of it worthless late war rockets), but 20 additional Rex/Rufes flying low CAP doesn't hurt the KB.






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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 12:17:18 PM   
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Hi Lowpe. I'm not sure about the Frank yet. So far I have 2x30 factories completely repaired with another few within a couple of being completely repaired and 3 more that are a long ways away, for a total of 8 factories so far. I'm hoping it's complete by the end of 43, but that's just a guess. The Ha-45 production will help a lot and it's getting close to the magic 500 in the pool. The Frank a is still stuck at 4/44 so factory repairs are still painfully slow. My goal is to have 12 R&D factories, which will help a lot. Two of the 6 Tony R&D factories will convert to the Frank next month when the Tony becomes operational. But, they'll have to repair too, so they probably won't do much for a while.

4x30 Tony R&D factories will become operational (I think - need to check to be sure), so I'll have an instant 120/month production. I'll review my Ha-45 needs to see if the engine production can support an additional 30 planes/month. Ha-45 engine production (when repairs are complete) will be 660/month. I don't want to increase it further, so we'll see what I can afford.

Retaking the air initiative is a daunting undertaking. I hope that the new fighter models will cause heavier Allied losses, especially in 4E bombers. That will cause Ted to rethink his tactics. Then I can consider taking the fight to his airbases.

I haven't looked at BB conversions. I'll add that to the list for this turn. Currently, I use only the Kongos to sail with KB due to speed issues with the other BBs. Eventually, it may come to using them as well, but the fuel cost will be considerable.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 2:59:37 PM   
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Mike, when is the Frank a due? And in what numbers?

You will be happy with Tony, you might want to think about jumping production there another 30 planes a month. I think you will need them.

Definitely try to re-take the air initiative. So very important.

I don't know if you have looked at the BB to BB/CS conversion. Turns the BB into a floating AA gun deck (some of it worthless late war rockets), but 20 additional Rex/Rufes flying low CAP doesn't hurt the KB.


Sorry for the hijack, but I was under the impression that the BB conversions were CVBB conversions. Can't you put proper aircraft on them? According to wiki they had Judy's on them historically.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 11:56:15 PM   
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I didn't check the BBs. I'll do that later.

I finally took a couple of screen shots so you can see what's going on here and there. In a lot of places, there's really nothing to see. Here's a shot of the Aleutians. Hornet is 5 hexes to the east of Adak. The intel says there's more, but I'm convinced it's only Hornet. Lex was hit by a torpedo and 500kg bomb and she's headed for the hills. I have a sneaky suspicion that the Hornet has both carrier's squadrons of Wildcats and Dauntlesses and one partial squadron of Avengers. The other Avenger squadron (I think it may have been Torpedo 8) was shot down in its entirety.

All those Allied TFs floating around are either AMs or LSI(L)s, just little stuff. Dutch Harbor has about half a dozen TFs. It's hard to tell what's there, really.






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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/22/2015 11:59:35 PM   
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Here's what on the ground at Adak. It's got about the equivalent of a division's worth of AV (324). The level 6 forts will keep those troops alive against a US division.






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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 12:10:24 AM   
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And finally, here's central China. The 2668 AV army in the north is the 3 Army, which is heading along the road to hit the base to the east of Chengtu. That base has 1 unit. Chengtu has 2 units (I suspect it's infantry and a base force). The base to the west of Chungking has 1 unit and you can see the rest. I think the 200k Chinese army is more like 4-500k.

The 70k Chinese army has been sitting there for a couple of months getting pounded by artillery and assaults. The other hexes with Chinese each have 1 unit. I have units that are surrounding the 70k army. Then the 1600 AV army will move NW toward Chungking.

The 3 Army will take the two northern Chinese bases. The 2381 AV army will move NW along the road and take the base to the west of Chungking. Then all 3 armies will converge on and surround Chungking. In addition, there are 4 additional full strength divisions headed toward Chungking. I estimate the total AV that will attack Chungking will be ~7k.






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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 2:06:19 AM   
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How many AMs do the Allies get? He seems to have an unending supply!


really a lot in '42. If he sailed some around the horn from India, double a lot. He start with quite a few and then get more in '42. Other than DD's, it is his major ASW platform until the SC's start to arrive late in '42. Then in '43 he gets ton's of DE's.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 2:11:10 AM   
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When you get Adak to AF4, are you going to move some Helen/Sally there and start bombing his troops? Or are you focusing on getting the port to P7 so you can rearm all of your ships?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 6:34:11 AM   
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And finally, here's central China. The 2668 AV army in the north is the 3 Army, which is heading along the road to hit the base to the east of Chengtu. That base has 1 unit. Chengtu has 2 units (I suspect it's infantry and a base force). The base to the west of Chungking has 1 unit and you can see the rest. I think the 200k Chinese army is more like 4-500k.

The 70k Chinese army has been sitting there for a couple of months getting pounded by artillery and assaults. The other hexes with Chinese each have 1 unit. I have units that are surrounding the 70k army. Then the 1600 AV army will move NW toward Chungking.

The 3 Army will take the two northern Chinese bases. The 2381 AV army will move NW along the road and take the base to the west of Chungking. Then all 3 armies will converge on and surround Chungking. In addition, there are 4 additional full strength divisions headed toward Chungking. I estimate the total AV that will attack Chungking will be ~7k.







If you're going to be facing the entire Chinese army there, you'll need more like 11 or 14 thousand...

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 8:51:51 PM   
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When you get Adak to AF4, are you going to move some Helen/Sally there and start bombing his troops? Or are you focusing on getting the port to P7 so you can rearm all of your ships?


I haven't even thought of increasing the port or airfield any more. The port is definitely done, but now you got me thinking about the airfield. Hmm, maybe level 4 would be nice. Gotta ponder that a bit.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 8:52:42 PM   
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Geez guys, you're full of good news about AMs (and DEs) and the Chinese army. Sheesh!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/23/2015 11:57:36 PM   
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Mike, when is the Frank a due? And in what numbers?

You will be happy with Tony, you might want to think about jumping production there another 30 planes a month. I think you will need them.

Definitely try to re-take the air initiative. So very important.

I don't know if you have looked at the BB to BB/CS conversion. Turns the BB into a floating AA gun deck (some of it worthless late war rockets), but 20 additional Rex/Rufes flying low CAP doesn't hurt the KB.


Sorry for the hijack, but I was under the impression that the BB conversions were CVBB conversions. Can't you put proper aircraft on them? According to wiki they had Judy's on them historically.


I checked my conversion and I couldn't tell. I thought it took floats only, so that is all I put on it. Sorties are around 300...so perhaps you are right.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/24/2015 12:14:59 AM   
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Mike,

I think you may have gotten the engines mixed up...the Ki100 doesn't use a Ha45 does it? Ha33 in my games.

I think you should check out Koniu's plane builds especially their magnitude...once you start getting these great planes you need to be adding to your pools substantially to prepare you for the 44, but especially for the 45 brutality.

The Ki100 will be usable for the rest of the game and is a wonderful bomber killer. Even the slow A6M5c is a great bomber killer, and of course George is George.

I would also double check your engines...seems low to me for the 45.

You sound strong on Frank A...I just wish you were getting that plane early.

Give some thought on how to stop invasions on your island chains. You rarely need range, but you do need to punch thru big CAPs and Franks really help here. Unfortunately the SR 3 really hurts unless you have a railroad like on Luzon.

One final plane to look at is the conversion of LB squadrons to Nicks/Randy. When those long legged bombers start to arrive you need to have deep defense wherever you have ships in ports, plus protecting deep industry. Plan now for it so you are ready.

You are getting to crunch time....great game!


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/24/2015 12:54:05 AM   
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Lowpe, you scared the hell out of me for a minute. Yeah, the Ki-100 uses the Ha-33 engine. My mistake. That's what I have in my spreadsheet and that's what's in the game. The Frank and George use the Ha-45.

I'll check out Koniu to see his numbers.

660 is low for the Ha-45?! Yikes! Right now I'm at just over 400 repaired with the rest repairing.

I'll get the Frank early. The factory repairs should become more frequent when I hit 500 Ha-45 engines in the pool. Then the completed factories double and I'll accelerate more quickly. As the months get closer, the remaining factories will begin to repair.

I have 3 Randy R&D factories repaired at 18, 13 & 13. I like that plane. Can't wait to get it either.

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Geez guys, you're full of good news about AMs (and DEs) and the Chinese army. Sheesh!


AM's, SC's, and DE's... Oh,my!

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Lowpe, you scared the hell out of me for a minute. Yeah, the Ki-100 uses the Ha-33 engine. My mistake. That's what I have in my spreadsheet and that's what's in the game. The Frank and George use the Ha-45.

I'll check out Koniu to see his numbers.

660 is low for the Ha-45?! Yikes! Right now I'm at just over 400 repaired with the rest repairing.

I'll get the Frank early. The factory repairs should become more frequent when I hit 500 Ha-45 engines in the pool. Then the completed factories double and I'll accelerate more quickly. As the months get closer, the remaining factories will begin to repair.

I have 3 Randy R&D factories repaired at 18, 13 & 13. I like that plane. Can't wait to get it either.


I'm building 570 Ha-45. At the moment, that's plenty. The only planes that use it are:

George 1 & 2
P1Y1 Frances (which you will move past)
Ki-67 Peggy
All Franks

So... Ha-45 production should pretty much just be your George, Frank, and Peggy production. The Denko and Myrt also use it, and I suppose the Grace, but those planes are either optional (Grace), low-production (Myrt), or too late to worry about (Denko).


It's the Ha-33 that is your big user. I've increased mine a lot lately and still might not have enough. The Ha-43 can be a big user also, but it's almost entirely for late war planes. The only factories I have working on an Ha-43 model right now are George-5 and the rest are still repairing for originally scheduled mid-/late-1945 planes. But I've had the engine producing for 5 months already, and have a stockpile built up into the 4th digit on 12/1/43... But if you can get them, the Ha-43 is the Shinden, Ki-83, Sam, and George-5. All extremely good fighters, so you'll want a lot.

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Mike,

I've been spending some time thinking about how to run things in the game (OK, all the time), and for IJ I'm leaning to something like this:
CarDiv1: Hiyo, Junyo, Hosho, 2 25knot BB's + other escorts. All major components 25 knots top speed.
CarDiv2: Kaga, Shoho, Zuiho, and the 48 plane CVL, Yamato and/or Musashi, +. All about 27 knots.
CarDiv3: Akagi, et al, and a couple of Kongo BB's, +. 30 knots or better.

Other CVL conversions added as available.

I know the BB's drink a lot, but if you could afford it, I like the idea. Besides they through up considerable AAA and attract some attention away from your flat decks. So my philosophy is what good is fuel without flat decks.

As for the BB/CV hybrid. This is my thinking. Capacity is 22 A/C. That's up to 88 (I think you can convert four [Japan actually did one that I know of IRL, but I don't remember its name]) armored Zero's flying CAP. Plus they have more heavy AAA added. Of course they take six months (180 days) to complete the conversion.

Myself, I want every piece of flat deck that Japan can possible get her hands on, and it still won't be enough.

Don't know if any of this is any good, but something to chew on. Of course JMHO.

Rusty

Edit: For length of BB/CV hybrid conversion. Don't know if all will see this or if anyone cares. Just wanted to correct a mistake.

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Lowpe, you scared the hell out of me for a minute. Yeah, the Ki-100 uses the Ha-33 engine. My mistake. That's what I have in my spreadsheet and that's what's in the game. The Frank and George use the Ha-45.

I'll check out Koniu to see his numbers.

660 is low for the Ha-45?! Yikes! Right now I'm at just over 400 repaired with the rest repairing.

I'll get the Frank early. The factory repairs should become more frequent when I hit 500 Ha-45 engines in the pool. Then the completed factories double and I'll accelerate more quickly. As the months get closer, the remaining factories will begin to repair.

I have 3 Randy R&D factories repaired at 18, 13 & 13. I like that plane. Can't wait to get it either.


I'm building 570 Ha-45. At the moment, that's plenty. The only planes that use it are:

George 1 & 2
P1Y1 Frances (which you will move past)
Ki-67 Peggy
All Franks

So... Ha-45 production should pretty much just be your George, Frank, and Peggy production. The Denko and Myrt also use it, and I suppose the Grace, but those planes are either optional (Grace), low-production (Myrt), or too late to worry about (Denko).


It's the Ha-33 that is your big user. I've increased mine a lot lately and still might not have enough. The Ha-43 can be a big user also, but it's almost entirely for late war planes. The only factories I have working on an Ha-43 model right now are George-5 and the rest are still repairing for originally scheduled mid-/late-1945 planes. But I've had the engine producing for 5 months already, and have a stockpile built up into the 4th digit on 12/1/43... But if you can get them, the Ha-43 is the Shinden, Ki-83, Sam, and George-5. All extremely good fighters, so you'll want a lot.


I don't see the Grace as optional. The ability to combine the IJN torpedo and dive bomber forces into a single entity is just too good. Your TB pilots are trained in NavB anyways. If, for whatever reason they don't attack with torpedoes, you'd want them dive-bombing rather than trying to level bomb...

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I don't see the Grace as optional. The ability to combine the IJN torpedo and dive bomber forces into a single entity is just too good. Your TB pilots are trained in NavB anyways. If, for whatever reason they don't attack with torpedoes, you'd want them dive-bombing rather than trying to level bomb...
+1
Grace is the best CV capable attacking plane Japan can have. Dual TB/DB role, faster than any other TB and same speed as Judy, range.. If Japan has sizeable carrier force left in 6/44+ it would want to have those planes on decks replacing Jills.

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I agree about the Grace. I have 4x30 R&D for this model, currently repaired to 21, 18, 14 & 13.

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7 May 43

Sub War

Nothing to report.

5 Fleet

The big event here was the US 41 Division and the engineer regiment making a deliberate assault on the defenses of Adak. That load of supply they got yesterday was what they needed to mount an attack. The 1:2 attack against level 6 forts broke itself against the Japanese defenses. Losses were 202(1) Japanese to 647(3) Allies. I lost a single infantry squad with another 9 infantry squads disabled. The only unfortunate event was that a fort level was lost. I had planned on increasing the airfield to level 4, but I’ve decided to work on the fort level. If my intel is accurate (flip a coin), half of the division’s infantry and most of the engineers are disabled. It should be a little while before they can attack again.

The enemy carrier(s) moved back to Unmak Island. Smart move. They are under cover of land-based fighters, but unless he reinforced, the LBA is composed of P-40Es and P-400s. If that TF remains there or withdraws, I’ll use KB2 to demolish the small ships around Adak, making sure to save their torpedoes for more suitable targets should they show up.

I bought a Sally sentai from Kwantung to fly to this AO to begin a bombing campaign on the US 41 Division. The ground bombardment isn’t doing nearly enough. In about a week, the Yamato, Musashi, Nagato and Mutsu will pay them a visit. I may split the BBs into 2 TFs and hit them on consecutive days. I have a DD division that will visit Adak first to clear out any small fry so the battlewagons are not sidetracked.

4 Fleet

Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

At Gasmata, 4x US DMS managed to avoid 2 rows of Japanese subs and entered the hex, encountering a Japanese fast transport TF of a single Ansyu PB. In the ensuing battle, the PB was hit multiple times by the DMSs 3” shells, and failed to hit any of them in return. She was moderately damaged and hit the road for Rabaul after unloading less than half her load of supply. After that battle, I heard a mine hit. I learned later that the US ships were battered by Gasmata’s DP guns (have I said lately how much I love DP guns?). They managed to clear only 18 mines. The minefield still contains 270.

The remaining US ships are still sitting in Gasmata’s hex. I have had a 4 DD division sitting 4 hexes to the east of Rabaul seemingly forever, just waiting for an opportunity like this. They’re pretty low on fuel, but I’m having them sail into Gasmata harbor to clear it out before retracing their steps and heading back to Truk. They don’t have quite enough fuel to do it (a couple hexes shy) but I’ll send a few ships out to meet them to refuel them near Truk. If this works, it should be fun and they’ll be clear of any potential danger by daylight. I heard sinking sounds so one of the DMS may have sunk. The rest are battered and ripe for the picking.

At first light, 102x 2E and 64x 4E Allied bombers hit the port of Rabaul. There were 96 Japanese fighter to oppose them, but most never made it into the fray. They were spotted only 13 minutes before they dropped their bombs. Really?! What were those radar operators doing? Anyway, there were damaged ships sitting in port from a previous raid. The bombers sank 2 ACM, a PB, 4 small cargo ships and the AS Rio de Janero. Only the AS was really worth something, 23 VP for those who care about such things. The Allied bombers were unescorted. I could have really hurt them if my fighters had more than 13 minutes to react. Only a handful of the 96 fighters actually attacked, and they shot down only a couple of 2E bombers.

Later in the day, two flights of B-25s (5 and 6 planes) attacked. In each case, all but 1 were shot down and the last one was shot down by flak. That made up for the first attack (sort of). On the bright side, I lost no fighters or pilots here and the port damage is only 13.

Over Gasmata, another swirling dogfight happened with the final totals being 11 Allied fighters to 7 Japanese fighters (and 1 IJN WIA and 2 IJA WIA).

There is a supply convoy arriving tomorrow at Rabaul (12k supply). Fortunately it didn’t arrive today or it most likely would be at the bottom of the harbor. Keeping fingers crossed for tomorrow.

I reinforced my fighters with a sentai of Nicks. Hopefully, they’ll do something (along with the rest of the fighters).

SRA

Nothing to report.

Burma

Well, I heard from the Brits today. If you don’t recall, my main army on the road between Akyab and Cox’s Bazaar (both British held) has been crawling out of that hex across the river to the SE. They’ve been travelling 2 miles a day and are 3 days (6 miles) from crossing the river. The British Army attacked, unsuccessfully I might add. The 1:6(!) attack caused 803(7) Japanese to 2033(162) Brit/Indian casualties. I was concerned that the attack might reset my troops so they would have to begin crawling all over again, but thankfully, that did not happen.

I’ve had my bombers set to bomb Akyab’s airfield for fun and to destroy British fighters, but they refuse to fly. Ah well, they will eventually.

Some Japanese minelayers dropped a bunch of mines off Ramree Island, in case the British decide to send ships to bombard again. I hope they do.

China

Killed a few more Chinese fighters on the ground at Chungking. My forces continue to close. Soon…

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: 52 Construction Company – rebuilt after being destroyed on one of the small islands south of New Ireland (Goodenough Island maybe?).

The Shokaku and Zuikaku completed their refit and are headed to Truk to reinforce KB. Not a moment too soon, I suspect. They’ll arrive in 4 days.

The B6N2 R&D advanced to 6/43. That R&D is complete. I’ll start to build Jills in June and have upgraded the 3x30 R&D factories to the B6N2a model, which I expect to be completed in mid-December 1943. After that R&D is finished, 2 of those factories will convert to the Frank and the third will convert to something else or become operational. I’ll decide later.

This turn went well for me, but it just didn’t feel good. Maybe because the ships were hit at Rabaul or the fort level dropped at Adak? Not sure but it was a good day for me. The Allies lost 35 troop points today, that’s 210 squads. Not a bad haul considering he did all the attacking. In comparison, I lost 1 troop point. His score dropped by almost 1300 points, which baffles me. Anyway, it was a good day, I guess.

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Except you'll run out of torpedoes on the carriers before you arm all of those planes with torpedoes.

I agree that it's good, but optional.

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Except you'll run out of torpedoes on the carriers before you arm all of those planes with torpedoes.
Umm, Judy stays, Grace replaces TBs. Torpedo situation does not change.
But you can divebomb with all your planes now.

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Sorry for hijacking your AAR let me quickly think on some question that may sound valid:

Like, why go for B6N2a? It seems to me like a year of research for higher-caliber trailing machinegun

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Sorry for hijacking your AAR let me quickly think on some question that may sound valid:

Like, why go for B6N2a? It seems to me like a year of research for higher-caliber trailing machinegun



I like the radar the B6N2a has. Can't hurt. I'll get it in mid-Dec 43.

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