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Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/24/2015 2:17:37 PM   
John 3rd


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I have reluctantly agreed to a Scenario 1 STOCK campaign vs. the redoubtable Herbie. He will be running a magnificent AAR that I am sadly excluding myself from. My AAR titles are always taken from books on the Pacific War so I've chosen to go with Hoyt's account of the battle of the Coral Sea. While wanting to do something really creative with an AAR is appealing I do not have the time or commitment for that effort. My AAR with Michael (A Glorious Way to Die) is now well enough along I felt that a slow-paced game might just be doable without an issue.

The concern I have is actually going back to stock Scenario One. I haven't played this scenario is 8-10 years. CRAZY! After all my work with Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms this is like going back to the dim ages.

We shall attempt to remember the original OOB and see what happens.

This was Herbie's first email to me:

John
I think you vs me would be a classic (and HUGELY followed) BUT stock........(I cannot handle mods ects)

It would also be PDU off, but, Japan can move as many units from china ect to Burma it likes with out paying
PPs(otherwise Burma cannot hold into 43)

Are you game?

Yes, but a slightly different type of AAR, more like "letters from a PM"

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herbie

I am not sure regarding the PDU off. Herbie said we could go with it on but we're still thinking on it. Opinions?


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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/24/2015 3:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		PDU off would make this vastly more complicated, to be sure. It does put the brakes on the ability of the Japanese to out-produce and out-tech the allies.

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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/24/2015 6:54:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think PDU off can really benefit the Allies, especially with night bombing.

However, it is fun, and does hamper the Allies a little bit notably with early Lightnings I believe.

More worried about just scenario 1, after all your romping around the Pacific, you might not be ready for the reduced troops, stockpiles, and production.




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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/24/2015 8:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		One useful aspect of PDU Off is that, by limiting your options and forcing you along historical paths, it saves some of the supplies you'd have spent converting factories in a PDU on game. As you are playing scenario 1, this should be useful.

The ability to move restricted troops across borders is, in my opinion, a good trade. PDU Off will force you to juggle around squadrons that can upgrade, and spend PP in the process. Being allowed to move troops from Kwantung and China into Burma and Malaysia will free quite a few divisions, save PP, and allow you to make good use of those units that got combat experience in China. Overall, it makes for an interesting middle game by making theatres more interdependent.

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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/26/2015 12:47:10 AM   
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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/26/2015 12:54:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK. Time to look at this and figure out what is 'possible' and what is not. Like I've said before going back to Scen One--STOCK is like moving back to elementary school (no offense to anyone). I wish we were doing Scen One--BABES. LOVE all the work done by that superlative crew of talented modders. Oh, well...not to be.

Herbie agreed to PDU on and I, in return, said I would not push the whole units can move anywhere HR. Will be careful with that in all cases. Nothing gamey.

The biggest thing I am looking forward to here is having--for Japan--BUCKETS of supply and fuel. We have drawn it so far down in RA and BTS that this will feel like Heaven in some ways.

PLANNING:
1. Hit PH but split off Kaga to join the other CVLs in the DEI. Kaga and Ryujo will strike Manila to cause some damage to shipping there.
2. Normal emphasis in taking Malaya ASAP.
3. Will take Midway early to deny that base to Herbie.
4. Will take NW Australia Coast so they cannot be used as a spring board to hit the oil in the DEI.
5. Plan to take Port Moresby and New Caledonia.

That should be well past enough and, perhaps, too much. We'll have to see...

We know how Herbie acts from his AAR so that is some help as to style.

Comments from the readership?

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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/26/2015 3:05:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just went through and organized the Home Islands and Korea. Holy COW! I have become soooooooooo used to reduced cargo capacities from the Babes work that I barely recognize these classes of ships. This is like a stroll down amnesia lane.

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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/26/2015 4:23:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		From AFB side, I always stress the need for Japan to neutralize Soerbaja. The port size and small Repair Shipyard are important to Allies for the first two month to replenish everything that floats and make quick minor repairs on DDs and subs. Thus, capture Denpasar with AF 3(4) and base an Air HQ OR land at SE tip of Java with division at Banjoewangi with its potentially large AF 0(7). Mini-KB with Kaga and Ryujo, a BB based SC TF, and your transports as covering forces.

Next would be capture of Koepang and place another Air HQ there. Then, you can back fill at your leisure.

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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/26/2015 4:36:00 PM   
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Happy to see you are PDU ON. Good Luck!

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RE: Blue Skies and Blood: John 3rd vs 1275psi - 9/26/2015 6:35:33 PM   
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Climb Mount Niitaka - 9/28/2015 7:34:12 AM   
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"Air Raid Pearl Harbor" - 9/28/2015 4:17:00 PM   
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December 7, 1941
Pearl Harbor

Cmr Fuchida stares down at the shambles that was a pristine harbor just several hours ago. War has begun in most glorious fashion for the Japanese. The five carriers of the First Striking Force deliver two strikes this day that make history.

Surprise Attack: 90 Zero, 108 Val, and 90 Kate---Two Daitai of Vals go after the airfields and ALL 90 Kates carry Torpedoes!!! I have never seen 90 Torps dropped at Pearl Harbor EVER: GLORIOUS!

Afternoon Attack: 90 Zero 27 Kate (800 Kg Bombs from Zuikaku)

There is no aerial resistance and Japanese losses are a trifling 3 Val and 8 Kate.

Results:
Battleship Row
Arizona 2 Bombs--6 TT: SUNK
Nevada 1 800Kg--1 Bomb--3TT: SUNK
Oklahoma 1 800Kg--5 Bombs--5TT: Possibly SUNK
Pennsylvania 5TT: SUNK
California 1 800Kg--2 Bombs--3TT: On Fire
Maryland 2 800Kg--3TT: Heavy Damage
Tennessee 2 Bombs--3TT: Hv Fires and Heavy Damage
West Virginia 1 Bomb--5TT: Heavy Damage

Cruisers
CA New Orleans 1 800Kg--1TT: Heavy Fires
CA San Fransisco 1 800Kg
CL Phoenix 2TT: Hv Damage
CL Honolulu 1TT
CL Helena 1TT: On Fire

Others
DD Shaw and Cassin each take TT and are SUNK!
AS, AE, 2 AK, and AV Tangier all take 1TT each

Have never, ever sunk three and possibly four BB on the Opening Attack at PH. The bag would have been higher but a dratted five DUD TTs were launched. Used five CVs and they did very well. A great bonus is hitting all the modern cruisers. They will not be joining any carrier screen for a while. NICE!

The AF got pummeled quite nicely.

Nagumo moves off North to refuel from his AOs and ponder the next set of moves for Kido Butai.







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"Air Raid Manila" - 9/28/2015 4:28:56 PM   
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Manila

Word of the attack at Pearl Harbor ripples across to the Philippines. A CAP (12 P-40---4 P-36) is launched over the heavily clustered shipping at Manila Bay. Attacks come from three directions this day and that CAP is easily brushed aside:

Northern Strike: 9 Zero 36 Betty/Nell hit the Airfield and plaster it quite nicely. Four planes are destroyed, numerous damaged, and 67 craters are placed on the concrete strips.

Western Strike: 9 Zero, 27 Val, 27 Kate (CV Kaga) thunder in and arrow for shipping. They sink a PT Boat, sink SS S-37, Salmon and Sculpin, hit AV Langley four times, SINK DD Peary, damage DD Pillsbury, hit an AP, hit AS Holland, hit an AK, and damage SS Spearfish

Eastern Strike: 9 Claude and 12 Kate (CV Ryujo) try to exploit the damage by hitting SS Pike, an AK, an AKL, and another PT Boat

For just 66 Strike Planes this is not too bad of a result. Kaga moves south to intercept shipping and Ryujo does the same. CVE Taiyo moves from Babeldoap to join Ryujo.


Other Air
Clark is crushed by 36 Zero and 54 Betty. A CAP of 8 P-40s attempts to intercept and is crushed.

Iba is nailed by 45 Zero and 27 Nells.


Ground
Japanese troops land at Vigan and Laoag.

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RE: "Air Raid Manila" - 9/28/2015 10:12:08 PM   
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RE: "Air Raid Manila" - 9/28/2015 10:33:02 PM   
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Dec 16. 1941 - 10/6/2015 4:49:59 PM   
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The Kido Butai has slowly moved due north from Pearl Harbor, then east, and now SE. During the course of that movement was nearly had a heart attack when an American Surface Action Group of 2 CL and 8 DD stumble upon the KB. Combat OPENED at 5,000 Yds. HOLY CATS! Each of my five CVs were hit at least once but--thankfully--the enemy concentrated on the CV able to fight a surface engagement. Akagi took five hits for no damage and scored FOUR 8" hits upon her assailants. After a scary first two rouns, the two BC and 2 CA moved in ans smothered the American forces. CL Detroit and DD Mugford were sunk and the other CL and three DDs were pummeled pretty well. Thankfully no major damage to KB. Damn. Dodged a bullet there!

As the TF moved SE the Americans lost contact with KB.

Just this turn December 15th, a Glen I-Boat spotted USS Saratoga moving out from the West Coast. KB is in perfect position to SINK HER! I have divided KB into 3 CV and 2 CV due to needing fuel from my AOs. Both should unite tomorrow to destroy this target. You can see in the screenshot what is about to occur...






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RE: Dec 16. 1941 - 10/6/2015 4:50:28 PM   
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Central Pacific - 10/9/2015 12:31:15 AM   
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Central Pacific

The opening of the war has seen some interesting developments. Herbie has chosen to FIGHT it out. In numerous areas he is forward deploying while sortieing single ships or small TF of surface combat vessels. He has managed to catch a couple of small Invasion Forces and done some damage but nothing has been delayed or stopped.

The Central Pacific has not seen a bunch of action but that is about to change.

In an attempt to make a quick grab of Wake, a Fast TF of 3 CL and 8 DD drop off a Naval Guard unit but the Marines manage to hold them off. Forts are dropped to ZERO but nothing else of note has occurred. The Betty unit in the Marshalls has been hitting the troops or AF.

While Wake was in play the original TF that usually takes Guam is headed for Midway. That Infantry Regiment and large base Force are heading there under the protection of the four small, older Japanese CAs.

Tomorrow will see the landing at Wake while the cruisers are moving to Midway intercepting a one ship TF blocking the path. Figure Wake is resolved on the 17th and Midway on the 18th.






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South Pacific - 10/9/2015 12:35:18 AM   
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South Pacific

Nothing too exciting. We've established a seaplane base at Gasmata and a TF is formed up at Truk heading for Lae.





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Eastern DEI - 10/9/2015 12:35:38 AM   
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Eastern DEI/Mindanao

LOTS of action here!

Small TF have moved to create seaplane bases heading towards Ambon and Koepang. A larger Invasion Force is finishing loading at Babeldoap heading for Kendari.

Mindanao is an early focus as elements of two entire Infantry Divisions have landed. Cagayan was taken and two complete squadrons of American fighters were destroyed on the ground. Davao got it this turn and will fall tomorrow. Plan for Mindanao to fully occupied by Dec 25th. The two ID used here will then assault Soerabaja.

Coming around northern Borneo is three SNLF units destined to take Tarakan. They are about three days away from their target.

Japanese Fleet elements have been reinforced by four old BBs from the Home Islands as well as CVE Taiyo and Hosho. Zuiho just detached and is headed to join up with Kaga and Ryujo.

Several of those counter moves mentioned earlier have been down around Ambon. Four of the old US DDs have been involved in the fracas but haven't done too much damage.






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Western DEI - 10/9/2015 1:00:57 AM   
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Western DEI/Philippines/Malaya

PINK--Philippines
Brought in small landing forces to begin with and it appears Herbie decided to try and stop me at the beaches. He did not count on my landing heavier forces at Iba. His troops have been hurled back fro Laoag and San Fernando while two ID are about to enter Clark and CUT OFF the Allied troops in Northern Luzon. If this can be accomplished Dear Readers then it will be a QUICK Luzon Campaign!

Strange note here. Herbie never sortied the Thundering Herd out of Manila Bay. Kaga and Ryujo as well as about 80 Betty have been resolutely crushing and sinking and Allied shipping present there. NICE! Total is upwards of 40 ships since Dec 7th.

RED--Malaya
Landing at Kota Bharu and simply waited until I could consolidate those two Inf Div before moving south. Imperial Guards is moving on Alor Star while two Tank Regiments move toward Temoluh. Just this turn the two reformed ID from Kota landed in great shape at Mersing. If you look at the screenshot, three more IDs are coming by sea to add to the weight of the assault. If he does not pull back ASAP, Malaya might also be VERY QUICK!

Allied Air has been pretty badly beaten up. My Mersing move is covered by only about 12-18 LR Fighters and they easily held off the initial aerial attacks on the 16th.

A group of British CLs was spotted moving to Singers and they were all hit by single TTs on this day. Durban, Dragon, Danae, and Mauritius all were smacked. NICE! Cannot get away if they are seriously damaged...

ORANGE--Palembang
Tried an immediate grab of this base with a Fast TF and Inf Reg. It just barely failed. OK. Fine.

CV Kaga with Ryujo and Zuiho are about to head down there and sink anything moving on the waves while two Brigades from Northern Indochina load to take the important base.

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Sinkings - 10/9/2015 1:03:59 AM   
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RE: Sinkings - 10/9/2015 1:04:29 AM   
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RE: Sinkings - 10/12/2015 12:25:44 AM   
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I like that cruiser a lot

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RE: Sinkings - 10/12/2015 12:51:48 AM   
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Following...

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RE: Sinkings - 10/14/2015 4:04:35 PM   
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RE: Sinkings - 10/14/2015 9:26:32 PM   
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Prowling in the DEI - 10/15/2015 4:00:16 AM   
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The Japanese made an attempt at a quick grab for Palembang near the start of the war. That assault landing by an Inf Reg came within inches of taking the base. Once it became apparent that my opponent was forward deploying and FIGHTING for everything, I adjusted. Several STF were prepped and KB-2 (Kaga, Ryujo, and Zuiho) refueled and re-provisioned at Cam Rahn Bay. Two Infantry Brigades loaded and departed for their objective: Palembang.

The Allies were obviously preparing for a major move and so the stage was set.

The action opened on the 19th:
1. A Fast TF of 4 CA, 1 CL, 10 DD dropping off an Inf Reg and several support units at Singakwang. Only one small unit opposes the landing.
2. The carriers spot several AP TF sitting at Kuching. Three Air Strikes follow seeing 10 AP, 1 PG, and 2 AKL sunk. There are well over 3,500+ casualties caused by these sinkings. A number of Allied troops are cleared off the board.

The 20th:
1. KB-2 moves into a position SW of Singkawang, SE of Singers, and five hexes from Palembang. The Carrier TF is protected by a STF (1 BC, 1 CA, 6 DD) as well as the Singakwang Fast TF from the previous day. I make sure the STF have lower TF numbers then KB-2 and the CVs are set to follow the BC TF.

The plan works beautifully as the 4CA, 1 CL, and 10 DD TF runs into two smaller Allied STF. In quick, decisive actions, CL DeRuyter, CL Java, and DDs Evertsen and Van Nes are sunk. No danger to the CVs. NICE! The carriers sink a CM at Singers and wreck a TF of 4 AK and 2 AP.

2. Singakwang falls as a second TF unloads two Base Forces. Two Chutai of 9 Zeros arrive as well as a laerger 27 plane Daitai. Added to the invaluable fighters are 27 Kates. This undamaged airfield is now projecting Japanese power.

3. I-165 plants two TTs into CL Danae near Semarang and sink her. Nice bonus.

Planning:
1. The carriers move closer to Palembang and prepare to deal with any air assaults in this area as the Invasion Force makes its approach.

2. While eyes are focused here, a large Amphibious TF carrying 27,000 troops moves to Mersing to add weight to taking Singapore.


Am sure of much more action next turn!







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Prowling in the DEI - 10/17/2015 4:21:42 AM   
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Western DEI

My opponent is NUTS! He is throwing everything (AND the kitchen sink) into a fanatical defense of the Western DEI. We're bagging LOTS of ships and dodging fairly well.

Ships sunk for this day: 9 AMc, 6 TM, 3 TK, CL Ceres
Damaged: Hermes 1 Bomb, Repulse 4 Bombs and Prince of Wales 2 Bombs

Bases Captured: Moulmein, Malacca, Surigao, and Kendari

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Scratch ONE! - 10/20/2015 2:52:52 AM   
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Singakwang

Scratch ONE Battleship! This brings our total up to FOUR so far...





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