Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Yes morvael- AP is a massive reason for this...something not considered it seems.

You need the cavalry early in the war 41-43 to survive....after which you have spent a ton of AP making sure they have support units are in proper armies and built.....then if you just disband them all where does that leave the Soviet Player?

Ohhh it leaves them with nothing to show for a ton of wasted extremely limited AP. Without those 20 Cav Corps good luck taking the war back to the Germans on anything like a historical time frame. As the game has such limited Soviet AP and such limited Soviet trucks you cant build more mobile units, you cant build enough rifle corps and artillery divisions to effectively attack the massive German army in late 1942-1943 without those 20 cav corps.

Soviet Tank and Mech corps are virtually useless until late 1942 based on how the game models them at current. I mean completely useless against how powerful the game has modeled the Germans. So, the Soviets will need the cav corps to survive 1942....we have already seen what happens in several games to Soviet players that dont build alot of Cav Corps to blunt German 1942 offensives....they lose badly, and much worse losses than historical....if not outright lose the game.

You can look at my AAR vs Pelton and Im sure easily see that the Cav Corps are the only thing that held my Soviet Army together all of 1942. You can probably also look and see that the 20+ cav corps are the only reason Im successfully driving him back in early 1943. An now your saying ohh its unhistorical and it shouldnt work that way?

Then how do you propose the Germans are ever defeated in the game? I dont see any buffs to Soviet offensive capability at all in this patch just nerfs. Some of us like to actually play the game not just be a punching back until the NM changes to the point the Soviets auto-win.

Viga-Yes the -5 Morale to Soviet cav and the NM change keeps them roughly the same as current for Mar-OCT 1942 after that now the Soviet Cav corps will be weaker from OCT 1942 to the end of the war while this patch just increased German NM.

I disagree with the change and have better things to do with my time than spend months playing a game getting my butt kicked with almost no ability to fight back for 1941/1942....and then to have a patch make the soviets ability to fight in 1943 be greatly reduced as well. Its just not worth my time is how i see it.

Also Cav Corps build/rebuilding- good horses an such----well Cav squads cost a ton more armaments points to build than infantry squads...more motivation for the Germans to take industry IMO. So this cost is already built into the unit. If you want less cavalry LW then make them harder to build/cost more AP in Latewar. Give more motivation for the German player to encircle and destroy cav corps in the EW period. Historically most were encircled and destroyed. If I as the Soviet player dont get them all wiped out why should I penalized????

Germans are getting the Stalingrad units refunded if they arent wiped out...if I dont get all my cavalry corps wiped out why are the Soviets penalized???? good question right.

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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Ehh I like to complain about things that dont make sense.

I still say if you want them to be mech they should be mech from day 1 so I can assign mech commanders and be done with it.

Other option would be to make forming Cav Corps free to make up for the AP tax your going to get hit with in 1943 when the ToE changes.

I know you dont seem to think the horses/armamanets is equal but look at how much in armaments the cav cost to maintain all those cav corps eats into Soviet armaments alot that really is penalty enough.

Also to bring up lack of horses as an issue is just dumb honestly...is so many non-historical things on both sides, and in all honesty horses werent something either side lacked...both sides used massive amounts of horses. The reason the Soviets moved to more mechanized units is because historically they could due to lend lease. German generals even talk about the battles after 1943 and how Soviet mobility allowed them to get more men out of bad situations and reduce the Germans ability to inflict losses and completely destroy soviet units and material.

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Also to bring up lack of horses as an issue is just dumb honestly...

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*ahem*: seems like these guys didn't get the message?

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103. The chance to rout and retreat losses will be now slightly affected by final combat odds divided by 5 (so between 1:4.99 and 4.99:1 there should be no change, but beyond those ratios losses may be larger and rout may happen more often, also for units with morale above 55).