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Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 12:48:50 AM   
ZeroGScott


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Status: offline 		Quick question, has anyone made a mod with less then 20 races? I tried adding just 2 or so and the game would crash until I added 20 races. Is that a hard coded requirement or is there some undocumented requirement/setting I need to change to allow less races. Does anyone have any experience with this?

I mainly want to understand why 20 is the arbitrary number and if anyone else has made a mode with less then 20 races.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 12:52:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		You will need to edit the race biases file with the information about the new races you are adding.

Be warned the race biases file is vary picky about the syntax and being off by even a little bit will cause your mod to fail.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 1:02:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I edited the biases file and made sure it aligned well but still have this problem. To be clear I can load the theme without a crash, setup a game as normal, then when it begins to create the game it crashes. Thanks for the reply as well!

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 5:28:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could you post the crash log? or is it just a CTD?

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 8:14:15 AM   
ZeroGScott


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Status: offline 		Unfortunately I can't post the image since I'm so new and can't post till 7 days after my tenth post. Is there a log file created somewhere I'm missing?

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 9:53:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a crash log in the folder above the SaveGames folder. Looking at the usually rather short call chain can give a hint of what fails since the method names displayed make sense.

It should be in something like: Documents - My Games - Distant Worlds Universe - 1.9.5.12 -

And have crash in its name and be a text file.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 12:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I couldn't find any crash text files at that location. It doesn't crash to desktop so it probably doesn't make a crash file. Its a very long error message, it fills up most of the popup window, I can't make sense of any of the calls or variables, or at least anything that would hint what the problem is. Thanks for the help.

Guess I could type it out.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 12:27:49 PM   
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Error Details:

System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must
be non-negative and less then the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException()
at System.Collections.Generic.List'1.get_Item(Int32 index)
at
DistantWorlds.Types.Galazy.SetupAlienRacePopulations(EmpireStartList
empireStarts, Int32 aggressiveRacesRequired)
at DistantWorlds.Types.Galaxy..ctor(Int32 galaxyRandomSeed,
GalaxyShape galaxyshape, Int32 starCount, Double colonyPrevalence,
Int32 lifePrevalence, Double creaturePrevalence, Double
piratePrevalence, Int 32 pirateProximity, Int64 startStarDate, Double
baseTechCost, Double hyperdriveSpeedMultiplier, Int32 age, Double
aggressionLevel, Int32 maximumEmpireAmount, Boolean
spawnNewEmpire, EmpireStartList empireStarts, String
applicationStartupPath, String customizationSetName, Bitmap
galaxyBackground, Bitmap[] cloudImages, Double difficultyLevel, Int32
sectorWidth, Int32 sectorHeight, ResourceSystem resourceSystem,
Boolean allowGiantKaltorGeneration)
at DistantWorlds.Start.OYWJFHBRu7(GalaxyShape ,Int32 ,Int32 ,
Boolean ,Double ,Int32 ,Double ,Double ,Int32 ,Double ,Double ,
Int32 ,Double ,EmpireStart ,EmpireStartList ,VictoryConditions ,
EmpireVictoryConditions ,EmpireVictoryConditions ,Boolean ,
Boolean ,GameStartResets )

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 1:02:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		How to try make sense of it. Start from the top.

ArgumentOutOfRangeException. It tried to fetch element 42 and there was only 40 elements. Or something similar. The numbers I wrote are random.

At ThrowHelper? Not interesting

At Collections? Not interesting, this is inside the programming lanugage.

At DistantWorlds.Types.Galaxy.SetupAlienRacePopulations - Aha, it was related to creating populations of alien races or similar. Notice it starts with something referencing Distant Worlds

So I can hazard a guess. Something is off when it comes to the alien races. Check that there is no pointer to "race 20 if there is only 19 races", or some other errors with number of commas per line in race setup.

When looking at those, the top line with "Distant Worlds" is the first interesting ones, and the below tells a story of how it got there.
The top line can sometimes be a helper function, if so look one step down.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 8:36:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Basically what bingeling said, your mod is trying to call on something that doesn't exist. OR it's trying to call on something that is out of range meaning past the minimum or maximum variables

It would really help if you could figure out a way to post the files you are modifying so we can look at them direcly.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 9:13:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		SetupAlienRacePopulations(EmpireStartList
empireStarts, Int32 aggressiveRacesRequired)

This also tell me that there needs to be an aggressive race included in the
biases file (Insectoid, Shakturi & probably Ancient Guardians at the least)
something the hard-coded game logic needs to see. Most probably in concert
with one of the games storylines. Just a reach. I never tried to make a mod
with less than 12 races though.


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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 10:20:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would it load at 20 though if this was the case? I'm using a duplicated race file that has the same settings so I haven't added an aggressive race with it, but I also DID change one of the races to aggressive as well just to be sure of this since I noticed that error string as well and it didn't fix it. I also tried adding just the Shakturi files as well with no change. So I don't think its something that obvious. I'm still fiddling with the files though.

I'm trying to figure out a way to give you guys access to the files so you can isolate my modding ignorance. Stand by...

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 11:24:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just post the link to the file download and use () around some of the point in the link to trick the board

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/27/2015 11:29:03 PM   
ZeroGScott


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Status: offline 		Anyone willing to poke around with my basic file setup can just send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send you a zip file.

Can anyone else try and make a quick mod with only 2 races and able to start a new galaxy? Mainly to confirm its not something on my end.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 12:38:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you scan it and put a report of the scan up, i'd be willing to look at for you and help get it working. But want a virus scan before i do.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 2:52:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Already checked the file it's clean. Im pretty sure its a issue with not having enough races but not really sure.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 3:04:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Probly with biases or messed up one of the inputs for the race, it might be in wrong spot, or your lacking a vital input. That happened to me earlier while i was writing the files. Order does matter. Plus might of labeled it wrong in the save. There are several ways to mess it up. I would have to look at it.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 4:50:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the stuff he sent me.

Attachment (1)

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 4:52:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ill look at it give me a few, ill look at it

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 5:03:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		He wrote baises wrong he needs to remove everything after3-21 its expecting more races thats why its crashing. Ill start it up and see if it works and also read through the rest.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 5:07:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay he also messed up the race txt also missing a few things, also the order is off, and has contradicting info that is why its crashing also

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 5:52:17 AM   
ZeroGScott


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Status: offline 		I'm confused. What are you using to edit the files? According to what I'm using I HAVE removed anything past the first two entries. I use notepad or notepad++. Does it not show correctly using those? What are you using to view the files? According to what I'm seeing in the biases file there is nothing past the first two entries and the row is the correct length as well. You need to be more specific please about how your getting your information.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 6:02:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think she means in the top name row.

'#, Name, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21

Not the others. You should have removed everything past two on this row as well.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 6:07:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I assumed it was a comment cause of the ' in front of the line and thus was not read. What about the description lines above as well, do I remove those? This wasn't described very well in the modding document if that's the case. Not to mention the implications of all those lines used that way in the race files. Thank you thought for the info, just trying to understand the disconnect.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 6:15:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still getting the error after trimming down that line, which leads me to believe its in the race files where the problem lies.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 6:47:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah i know it is you have 5 conflicting lines, and a few missing inputs, ill have to figure those out. ill fix them in morning, after i get off from work. You made just a couple errors, and i got caught up watching netflix. And i have to be up in 4 hours, or id knock it out really quick. I using note pad

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 6:55:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		No problem, do it when its most convenient for you. Sheesh get some rest as well, I need 8 hours sleep minimum to function.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/28/2015 8:14:58 PM   
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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/29/2015 7:18:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry the guy up stairs distracted me last night, Going to go figure it out right now, sorry about that. But also got some programing to do. Might do that and run it through my program, might be easier than reading each line and checking if the info is valid. The joys of languages, even though this language is very simplistic.

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RE: Minimum race requirement? - 10/29/2015 9:13:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		First glace errors, try this, Contekka, is missing values, so add values to WeaponResearchProject, EnergyResearchProject, HighTechProjectOrder,DissallowedCompeponentIds these errors is also made in Rogene txt file. I corrected them and it loaded for me. If no value remove all text relating to it. It is expecting a value and no value is present. Now off to continue writing a program.

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