Feinder
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Joined: 9/4/2002 From: Land o' Lakes, FL Status: offline
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Actually, some Marine squadrons were trained in carrier landings in 1942, but it was ]relatively few. And not that it really requires pointing out (but I will anyway), but taking off a carrier didn't mean that the Marines were capable of LANDING on a carrier (I realize noone necessarily tried to make that connection). For example, the Marines at Wake (VMF-221?) were NOT carrier qualified, however, they had gotten a ride to Wake from Enterprise (or was it Hornet) a few weeks before. It was actually in 1943 that Marine squadrons began to receive carrier training. The USN began to realize the utility (or better said, "safety") of adding an addtional fighter squadron to their carriers. Many carriers were re-equpped in 1943 with an additional fighter squadron. Since Naval squadrons were often in short supply, it was often VMF squadrons (flying Navy planes anyways) that were hastily trained in carrier landings. A good example is that of the VMF-214 (better known as the "The Black Sheep". The original squadron of the Solomons under Boyington were NOT carrier qualified. However, after the squadron was reformed in 1944, it's new pilots were carrier qualified. Unfortunately for them, I believe it was Bunker Hill that they were assigned to, when it was hit by a Kamikaze. Most of the pilots were in the air, but the plane hit pretty much on top of their wardroom, killing many of their service crews and administrative personnel. Forgive me if I got the squadron numbers wrong, I'm doing this from memory. Regarding the F4U. Yes, it was initially designed for the Navy, but was poo-poo'd because of it's long nose. The long nose greatly inhibited the pilot's ability to see carrier's deck below him. Since the F6f was now coming out in droves, the Navy elected to surplus the F4Us to it's Marines squadrons. Not to say that NO Navy squadron flew them, they did appear on some carriers (but I can't give you an example at the moment). Ironically, it was the British that like the Corsair so much that they were determinded to figure out how to "make it work" for their carriers. In short, they ended up approaching paralell to the CV (whil still behind), and then side-slipping onto the deck at the last minute. It took a bit of practice, but it did work. In the case of UV, my opininon is that Marine Squadrons SHOULD be able to fly off of USN CVs. Do I think it's historically accurate? "NO". But conversly, the IJN player has several squadrons of land-based air (with Naval capable planes). Were they naval squadrons? Were they Marines? Were they Army? Did they have any carrier training? Few, if any of us actually speak Japanese, and know what a "Daitai" is. Most IJN players have no qualms about putting any of the squadrons onto their CVs. Would that be historical? Probably not actually. But to be fair to the USN player, they should probably be able put the Marine squadrons onto their carriers, just like the IJN squadrons. Regards, -F-
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