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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/9/2015 2:03:38 AM

Rio Bravo

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Looks like Imphal will get some party crashers. Good luck with holding them.
Can you put any bombers at a nearby base to help out?

BBfanboy-

Those are the last two Chinese units in Burma and heading for Imphal.

Group 222 RAF is at Calcutta. After some minor maintenance for a few aircraft, 222 Raf Group will fly further South and AFQ India will fly to Calcutta.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/9/2015 4:45:56 PM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

for

April 25, 1942

Japanese Amphibious Assault Loewoek:

Amphibious Assault at Loewoek (71,101)

TF 342 troops unloading over beach at Loewoek, 71,101

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost overboard during unload of 18th Nav Gd /2

Japanese Attack Remnants of Sabang Garrison Near Langsa:

Ground combat at 45,72 (near Langsa)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3632 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Defending force 748 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 24

Japanese adjusted assault: 61

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 20 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
310 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Korps Marechausee Battalion
2nd Garrison Battalion
Sabang Base Force

Chinese Kick Ass at Lanchow!

Ground combat at Lanchow (81,34)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20516 troops, 100 guns, 694 vehicles, Assault Value = 933

Defending force 24457 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 802

Japanese adjusted assault: 628

Allied adjusted defense: 1207

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2432 casualties reported
Squads: 65 destroyed, 179 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1801 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 188 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Garrison Unit
10th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
8th Recon Regiment
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Tank Regiment
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
9th Separate Brigade
303rd Brigade
34th Separate Brigade
27th Chinese Corps
259th Brigade
82nd Chinese Corps
8th Chinese Base Force
8th War Area
19th Chinese Base Force
21st Chinese Base Force

Allies Hold Their Ground Near Medan!

Ground combat at 46,77 (near Medan)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1468 troops, 12 guns, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 1794 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Japanese adjusted assault: 25

Allied adjusted defense: 17

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
44th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Medan Garrison Battalion
Van Aaran Garrison Battalion
Tapanoeli Gsn Battalion
Medan Coastal Gun Battalion
Medan Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/10/2015 6:05:48 AM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

for

April 26, 1942

Japanese Destroyer Dents Tin Can Off Rangoon Moon:

Sub attack near Rangoon at 53,56

Japanese Ships
DD Shigure

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII, hits 1

SS KXVIII launches 4 torpedoes
DD Shigure fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shigure fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shigure fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shigure fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shigure attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

Japanese Amphibious Assault Boeton:

Amphibious Assault at Boeton (69,108)

TF 245 troops unloading over beach at Boeton, 69,108

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

7.7mm T99 AAMG dropped into water during unload of 1st JNAF AF Unit /11
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost overboard during unload of 53rd Nav Gd /14

Japanese Amphibious Assault Hex 58,89:

Amphibious Assault at 58,89

TF 430 troops unloading over beach at 58,89

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of II./124th Infantry Bn /1

Bet Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/10/2015 10:31:01 PM

Rio Bravo

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A Question

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The War College Members

As most of you are no doubt aware, India has grown strong in both ground and air forces.

The Allies have begun to move further South; including fighter and bomber squadrons.

The Japanese have invaded Burma, but to date (i.e., April 27, 1942), the Japanese have not entered Ceylon, nor India.

For quite some time now, I have been training medium level bomber squadrons for ground attack and fighter squadrons for escort.

Should the Japanese invade India, to inflict the greatest damage on Japanese ground forces, do you think the "training" is appropriate or should I begin training fighter squadrons for "Sweep?"

Your comments, advice, and critiques are always appreciated.

Thank you, each of you.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."

-Bret (James Coburn); The Magnificent Seven

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 4:32:51 AM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

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April 27, 1942

El Lobo Captures Boeton:

Ground combat at Boeton (69,108)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2333 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 69

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 66

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 66 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Boeton !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
53rd Naval Guard Unit
1st JNAF AF Unit

Japanese Subs Spew Monkey Mucus Off the Coast of Rangoon and Pt. Blair:

Sub attack near Rangoon at 53,56

Japanese Ships
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII, hits 3

SS KXVIII launches 2 torpedoes at DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo attacking submerged sub ....
DD Minegumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Minegumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Minegumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Minegumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

And

ASW attack near Port Blair at 46,58

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsushima

Allied Ships
SS O21, hits 6

SS O21 is located by DD Hatsushima
O21 bottoming out ....
DD Hatsushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatsushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatsushima attacking submerged sub ....
DD Hatsushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hatsushima fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Japanese Push Dutch Around Near Loemadjang, Near Langsa, and Near Hankow:

Ground combat at 57,106 (near Loemadjang )

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30465 troops, 456 guns, 186 vehicles, Assault Value = 1089

Defending force 3330 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Japanese adjusted assault: 312

Allied adjusted defense: 49

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
813 casualties reported
Squads: 39 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 63 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 15 (8 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Units retreated 4
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
21st Division
8th Tank Regiment
33rd Division
21st Infantry Regiment
5th Guards Cav Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
6th KNIL Regiment
Marinier Battalion
Commandement Marine
MLD
Soerabaja Base Force
Malang Base Force

And

Ground combat at 45,73 (near Langsa)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 3622 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Defending force 492 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Japanese adjusted assault: 44

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 44 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
139 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Korps Marechausee Battalion
2nd Garrison Battalion
Sabang Base Force

And

Ground combat at 85,49 (near Hankow)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2280 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 105

Defending force 4099 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31

Japanese adjusted assault: 59

Allied adjusted defense: 21

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: op mode(-)

Allied ground losses:
1190 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 62 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th RGC Temp. Division

Defending units:
90th Chinese Corps

Chinese Spank Japanese at Ankang!

Ground combat at Ankang (88,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11009 troops, 83 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 400

Defending force 11328 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 364

Japanese adjusted assault: 167

Allied adjusted defense: 143

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
425 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 53 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
278 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Ankei SNLF
138th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
21st Group Army

Chinese Shred Japanese at Chengteh!

Ground combat at Changteh (81,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 46143 troops, 527 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 1822

Defending force 28733 troops, 144 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 779

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 745

Allied adjusted defense: 733

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3452 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 352 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled
Guns lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
696 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Division
39th Division
57th Infantry Brigade
40th Division
55th Infantry Brigade
5th RF Gun Battalion
1st JAAF AF Coy
2nd RF Gun Battalion
47th JAAF AF Bn
21st Mortar Battalion
28th Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd JAAF AF Coy
RGC Army
67th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
10th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
5th Construction Regiment
19th Group Army
29th Group Army
27th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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-Bret (James Coburn); The Magnificent Seven

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 12:30:23 PM

HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

A Question

for

The War College Members

As most of you are no doubt aware, India has grown strong in both ground and air forces.

The Allies have begun to move further South; including fighter and bomber squadrons.

The Japanese have invaded Burma, but to date (i.e., April 27, 1942), the Japanese have not entered Ceylon, nor India.

For quite some time now, I have been training medium level bomber squadrons for ground attack and fighter squadrons for escort.

Should the Japanese invade India, to inflict the greatest damage on Japanese ground forces, do you think the "training" is appropriate or should I begin training fighter squadrons for "Sweep?"

Your comments, advice, and critiques are always appreciated.

Thank you, each of you.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Train fighter pilots in Air Combat to 70 first. This will get overall experience to the mid to upper 50s. It will get Defense to the mid 40s to mid 50s range.

Then switch training to Sweep at 100 feet. The low altitude will spur gains in Defense and overall experience.

There is no one skill that can be trained to 70 and get other complimentary skills to where you want them.

Training in multiple skills is necessary to get overall experience up.

Fighters will perform better in both interception, escort and sweeps with higher defense and higher overall skill than they will with 70 Air combat and OA and Defensed in the 50s.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 2:08:00 PM

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HansBolter, I tried recently to use training Sweep at 100 feet to try advance Defensive training a little faster. To my surprise, despite the Sweep training set, the squadron trained in Strafe! I even had a recon squadron I was training at 100 feet start getting Strafe skill!

I think this came with the recent changes that lowered the minimum level for GroundB down from 5000 to 2000 feet. Now I use 1000 feet to train fighters and Recon/ASW/NavS, and 2000 feet for other bombing type skills. I only use 100 feet when I really want fighters or assault bombers to raise Strafe skill.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 2:20:03 PM

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HansBolter, I tried recently to use training Sweep at 100 feet to try advance Defensive training a little faster. To my surprise, despite the Sweep training set, the squadron trained in Strafe! I even had a recon squadron I was training at 100 feet start getting Strafe skill!

I think this came with the recent changes that lowered the minimum level for GroundB down from 5000 to 2000 feet. Now I use 1000 feet to train fighters and Recon/ASW/NavS, and 2000 feet for other bombing type skills. I only use 100 feet when I really want fighters or assault bombers to raise Strafe skill.

You may be right about getting gains in strafing, but you should also be seeing significant gains in defense.

I know training at 100 ft. spurs gains in defense.

I'll grab a screenshot tonight to illustrate. My game is near the end of the month so lots of green and orange skill gain flags are present.

< Message edited by HansBolter -- 11/11/2015 3:20:36 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 2:40:50 PM

BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

HansBolter, I tried recently to use training Sweep at 100 feet to try advance Defensive training a little faster. To my surprise, despite the Sweep training set, the squadron trained in Strafe! I even had a recon squadron I was training at 100 feet start getting Strafe skill!

I think this came with the recent changes that lowered the minimum level for GroundB down from 5000 to 2000 feet. Now I use 1000 feet to train fighters and Recon/ASW/NavS, and 2000 feet for other bombing type skills. I only use 100 feet when I really want fighters or assault bombers to raise Strafe skill.

You may be right about getting gains in strafing, but you should also be seeing significant gains in defense.

I know training at 100 ft. spurs gains in defense.

I'll grab a screenshot tonight to illustrate. My game is near the end of the month so lots of green and orange skill gain flags are present.

Maybe I misunderstood your intent - I interpreted it to mean that Sweep training would take place at 100 feet, which it does not. I was aware that Defensive skill would train faster at 100 feet and that is why I had sent planes training Recon skill down there. But that skill didn't train because the 100' level seems to be reserved for strafe training (with defensive skill as a by-product).

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 4:26:21 PM

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Escort at whatever height until 70 Air then Sweep at 100 until 70 Def is the running motto of training fighters, although I'd question the second part. You just don't use strafing that often in the war.Well, generally you don't use early allied fighters in any other role other than CAP/Escort, so Air/Def are the skills. But for later fighters with bombloads it might be worth it to train some other secondary skill instead of strafe like naval or ground attack. Becase Def will increase with whatever secondary skill training so the latter might as well be potentially useful.

Bombers you should specialize. There are different kinds of those, and you need very different skills and very different pilots as a result because training a universal bomber pilot is not worth it. But most will need Ground and Naval bombing anyway

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/11/2015 4:46:25 PM

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Escort at whatever height until 70 Air then Sweep at 100 until 70 Def is the running motto of training fighters, although I'd question the second part. You just don't use strafing that often in the war.Well, generally you don't use early allied fighters in any other role other than CAP/Escort, so Air/Def are the skills. But for later fighters with bombloads it might be worth it to train some other secondary skill instead of strafe like naval or ground attack. Becase Def will increase with whatever secondary skill training so the latter might as well be potentially useful.

Bombers you should specialize. There are different kinds of those, and you need very different skills and very different pilots as a result because training a universal bomber pilot is not worth it. But most will need Ground and Naval bombing anyway

All good points.

For bomber pilot training I tend to supplement Nav (whether normal or low) with Nav Search as the secondary skill and supplement Ground (whether normal or low) with Recon as a secondary skill.

Oh, and it's always worth training P39 pilots in strafe, they make great barge busters.

p.s. Sorry for the hijacking RB.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/12/2015 7:14:16 PM

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Combat Report

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April 28, 1942

Japanese Amphibious Assault Hex 74,100:

Amphibious Assault at 74,100

TF 307 troops unloading over beach at 74,100

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 62nd Nav Gd

Chinese Remain Stubborn at Anking!

Ground combat at Anking (88,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10674 troops, 83 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 362

Defending force 11053 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 333

Japanese adjusted assault: 168

Allied adjusted defense: 78

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
390 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
321 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
Ankei SNLF
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
138th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
21st Group Army

Best Regards,

-Terry

< Message edited by Rio Bravo -- 11/14/2015 8:54:09 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/12/2015 7:21:48 PM

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Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-

Thank you for your aircraft training input.

I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.

I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/13/2015 12:26:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-

Thank you for your aircraft training input.

I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.

I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin'

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/13/2015 10:51:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-

Thank you for your aircraft training input.

I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.

I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin'

There is no Sweep skill. The two skills essential to sweeps are Air (which means offensive air combat) and defense, the same skills essential for escort as there is no escort skill either.

It's simply exploiting a game mechanic to use low level training to spur gains in defense. If training sweep ay 10k spurred the kinds of gains in defense that training it at 100ft do I would be advocating training sweep at 10k.

The gains in straf are simply icing on the cake that you may or may not ever take advantage of.

Later in the war the Allies get more fighters equipped for ground attack so it seems to me to be a good investment to train straf so I have a readily available pool of pilots who can put that skill to use when planes capable of putting it to use start arriving.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/13/2015 1:49:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-

Thank you for your aircraft training input.

I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.

I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin'

There is no Sweep skill. The two skills essential to sweeps are Air (which means offensive air combat) and defense, the same skills essential for escort as there is no escort skill either.

It's simply exploiting a game mechanic to use low level training to spur gains in defense. If training sweep ay 10k spurred the kinds of gains in defense that training it at 100ft do I would be advocating training sweep at 10k.

The gains in straf are simply icing on the cake that you may or may not ever take advantage of.

Later in the war the Allies get more fighters equipped for ground attack so it seems to me to be a good investment to train straf so I have a readily available pool of pilots who can put that skill to use when planes capable of putting it to use start arriving.

The point I was trying to make is that if the OP wants to train AIR skill + DEFENCE skill at 100 feet, he will get the Defence but NOT THE AIR SKILL!
If he really wants to train STRAFE + DEFENCE at 100 feet, everything is fine if he uses the Sweep Training setting. It just seems less confusing to use the Strafe Training setting if that is what you want to achieve.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/14/2015 5:30:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-

Thank you for your aircraft training input.

I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.

I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin'

There is no Sweep skill. The two skills essential to sweeps are Air (which means offensive air combat) and defense, the same skills essential for escort as there is no escort skill either.

It's simply exploiting a game mechanic to use low level training to spur gains in defense. If training sweep ay 10k spurred the kinds of gains in defense that training it at 100ft do I would be advocating training sweep at 10k.

The gains in straf are simply icing on the cake that you may or may not ever take advantage of.

Later in the war the Allies get more fighters equipped for ground attack so it seems to me to be a good investment to train straf so I have a readily available pool of pilots who can put that skill to use when planes capable of putting it to use start arriving.

The point I was trying to make is that if the OP wants to train AIR skill + DEFENCE skill at 100 feet, he will get the Defence but NOT THE AIR SKILL!
If he really wants to train STRAFE + DEFENCE at 100 feet, everything is fine if he uses the Sweep Training setting. It just seems less confusing to use the Strafe Training setting if that is what you want to achieve.

Hans & BBfanboy-

What I'd like is for the bombers to be best at bombing Japanese air bases and Japanese ground troops. And, fighters to escort the bombers or protect Allied bases and Allied ground troops.

Perhaps, down the road, priorities will change.

But, right now, I want to be in the best position to defend India and Australia. That means pound Japanese ground troops, destroy any air bases he may build up, and protect Allied bases and troops.

So, what would be the best training besides escort for the bombers?

Best Regards,

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Escort and Sweep both train Air Skill, which is what fighters use in combat. It does not matter which one you train them in, but you must be 1000 feet or higher to get the training because the AI will assume Strafe training if you set them at 100 feet. The low level is desirable for Defensive Skill gains, but you cannot go all the way down to 100 feet if you want to train Air Skill.

You can train bombers in any of the bombing missions - Airfield Attack, Naval Attack, etc. but be aware that 2000 feet is the minimum level for Ground B or Nav B training with bombs. If you go down to 1000 feet you get Low Ground or Low Nav training. Go down to 100 feet and you get Strafe training again, regardless of what you set as the target skill. Low level bombing is really supposed to be reserved for Assault bombers.

Of course if you want to train torpedo bombers you must select torpedoes (even if the base has none!) and Naval Attack for the training. You can go down to 1000 feet for this.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/14/2015 8:04:41 PM

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April 29, 1942

Japanese Wipe Out 6th KNIL Regiment Near Loemadjang:

Ground combat at 57,106 (near Loemadjang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31727 troops, 456 guns, 377 vehicles, Assault Value = 1090

Defending force 639 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 709

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 709 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
881 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 81 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
21st Infantry Regiment
8th Tank Regiment
21st Division
33rd Division
5th Guards Cav Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
6th KNIL Regiment

Chinese "Just Say No" to Japanese At Anking!

Ground combat at Anking

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10472 troops, 83 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 340

Defending force 10735 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 294

Japanese adjusted assault: 119

Allied adjusted defense: 48

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
211 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Ankei SNLF
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
138th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
7th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
21st Group Army

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/14/2015 8:10:15 PM

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Escort and Sweep both train Air Skill, which is what fighters use in combat. It does not matter which one you train them in, but you must be 1000 feet or higher to get the training because the AI will assume Strafe training if you set them at 100 feet. The low level is desirable for Defensive Skill gains, but you cannot go all the way down to 100 feet if you want to train Air Skill.

You can train bombers in any of the bombing missions - Airfield Attack, Naval Attack, etc. but be aware that 2000 feet is the minimum level for Ground B or Nav B training with bombs. If you go down to 1000 feet you get Low Ground or Low Nav training. Go down to 100 feet and you get Strafe training again, regardless of what you set as the target skill. Low level bombing is really supposed to be reserved for Assault bombers.

Of course if you want to train torpedo bombers you must select torpedoes (even if the base has none!) and Naval Attack for the training. You can go down to 1000 feet for this.

BBfanboy-

Perfect.

Today, April 30, 1942, I will issue orders for all India Medium Level Bombers to continue Ground Attack training at 2,000 feet and issue orders for all India Fighters to commence Escort training at 1,500 feet.

Thank you, pal.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/14/2015 8:17:00 PM

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For fighter pilots training in air skills (as opposed to ground attack skills), I train 100% Training on escort until they are at or close to 70 Air skill, then switch to 50% Training Air skill + 50% CAP. Being on CAP seems to boost their Experience much faster than Training does.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/15/2015 9:43:53 PM

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April 30, 1942

Japanese combat forces were busy this day, but wished they hadn't have been at Changteh!

Japanese Capture Shwebo and Langsa:

Ground combat at Shwebo (59,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1025 troops, 4 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 18

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Shwebo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
48th Recon Regiment

And

Ground combat at Langsa (46,74)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3632 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Defending force 416 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Japanese adjusted assault: 56

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 56 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Langsa !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
520 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 4

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Garrison Battalion
Korps Marechausee Battalion
Sabang Base Force
Langsa Base Force

Japanese Amphibious Assault Ternate and Taliaboe:

Amphibious Assault at Ternate (78,102)

TF 307 troops unloading over beach at Ternate, 78,102

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 62nd Nav Gd

And

Amphibious Assault at Taliaboe (73,104)

TF 342 troops unloading over beach at Taliaboe, 73,104

Japanese Catch Kendari Ground Forces and Shove them Deeper Into The Jungle:

Ground combat at 69,105 (near Kendari)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3752 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Defending force 733 troops, 10 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 13

Japanese adjusted assault: 50

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
361 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
20th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Kendari Garrison Battalion
Kendari Base Force

Japanese Surface Combat Fleet Sinks CL Sumatra Off The Coast of Koepang:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Koepang at 68,116, Range 11,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
CA Takao
CA Maya
CA Chokai
DD Fubuki
DD Usugumo
DD Satsuki
DD Matsukaze

Allied Ships
CL Sumatra, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Ishizaki, Noburu crosses the 'T'
CA Takao engages CL Sumatra at 11,000 yards
BB Ise engages CL Sumatra at 11,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages CL Sumatra at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CL Sumatra at 12,000 yards
CL Sumatra engages CA Maya at 12,000 yards
CL Sumatra engages DD Matsukaze at 12,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages CL Sumatra at 12,000 yards
CL Sumatra engages DD Fubuki at 12,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages CL Sumatra at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai engages CL Sumatra at 12,000 yards
CL Sumatra engages DD Usugumo at 12,000 yards
CA Takao engages CL Sumatra at 12,000 yards
CL Sumatra engages CA Chokai at 12,000 yards
CL Sumatra sunk by DD Usugumo at 12,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

Japanese Surface Combat Fleet Sinks Allied AMC Kanimbla Off The Coast Of Koepang:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Koepang at 68,116, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
CA Takao
CA Maya
CA Chokai
DD Fubuki
DD Usugumo
DD Satsuki
DD Matsukaze

Allied Ships
AMC Kanimbla, Shell hits 10, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages AMC Kanimbla at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
BB Hyuga engages AMC Kanimbla at 8,000 yards
AMC Kanimbla sunk by CA Takao at 8,000 yards
AMC Kanimbla sunk by CA Takao at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

Japanese Combat Surface Fleet Bombards Koepang:

Night Naval bombardment of Koepang at 68,116

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Takao

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 14
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

BB Hyuga firing at Koepang
BB Ise firing at Koepang
CA Chokai firing at Dili Detachment
CA Maya firing at Koepang
CA Takao firing at Koepang

Chinese Rip Japanese at Changteh!

Ground combat at Changteh (81,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 63113 troops, 687 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 2048

Defending force 28188 troops, 144 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 713

Japanese adjusted assault: 1465

Allied adjusted defense: 3439

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5241 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 441 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 50 disabled
Guns lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
701 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 188 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Division
40th Division
39th Division
3rd Division
57th Infantry Brigade
55th Infantry Brigade
8th Mountain Gun Regiment
RGC Army
47th JAAF AF Bn
28th Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd JAAF AF Coy
21st Mortar Battalion
1st JAAF AF Coy
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
67th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
74th Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
5th Construction Regiment
29th Group Army
19th Group Army
27th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/15/2015 9:46:27 PM

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For fighter pilots training in air skills (as opposed to ground attack skills), I train 100% Training on escort until they are at or close to 70 Air skill, then switch to 50% Training Air skill + 50% CAP. Being on CAP seems to boost their Experience much faster than Training does.

witpqs-

Only Carrier aircraft fighters can train for CAP, right?

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 12:40:35 AM

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Combat Air Patrols can be done by any fighter.
It is the defence of your own base and surrounding area from air attack.
LRCAP is when you send the fighter out to patrol an air sector away from your base to deny it to enemy aircraft.
Escort is to protect your own bombers so they can get through enemy fighters to the target.
Sweep is to clear the air of enemy fighters so that your bombers can come in with or without escort.

All these types of fighter missions are available to both LBA and Naval aircraft. All need Air skills to succeed. It does not matter what training type (Sweep, Escort) you choose to gain the Air Skill, you can do the other air missions when you have sufficient skill levels.

As witpqs was saying, sometimes the best way to learn after spending time in school is to go out and do the job. So doing some actual CAP work after training up skills gives small gains in Air Skill but also gains in overall Experience. The same would apply if you had the newly graduated pilots do some Escort and Sweep missions in areas where they are unlikely to run into strong opposition.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 3:36:09 PM

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May 1, 1942

El Lobo Expands His Empire By Capturing Taliaboe and Ternate:

Ground combat at Taliaboe (73,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1428 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 29

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Taliaboe !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
18th Naval Guard Unit

And

Ground combat at Ternate (78,102)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 591 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 47

Defending force 120 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 5

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Ternate !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Allied ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
62nd Naval Guard Unit
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy

Defending units:
Ternate Det. Base Force

Japanese Amphibious Assault Denpasar and Groot Natoena:

Amphibious Assault at Denpasar (58,108)

TF 263 troops unloading over beach at Denpasar, 58,108

Japanese ground losses:
322 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

And

Amphibious Assault at Groot Natoena (57,83)

TF 205 troops unloading over beach at Groot Natoena, 57,83

Japanese ground losses:
173 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 6:52:58 PM

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Combat Air Patrols can be done by any fighter.
It is the defence of your own base and surrounding area from air attack.
LRCAP is when you send the fighter out to patrol an air sector away from your base to deny it to enemy aircraft.
Escort is to protect your own bombers so they can get through enemy fighters to the target.
Sweep is to clear the air of enemy fighters so that your bombers can come in with or without escort.

All these types of fighter missions are available to both LBA and Naval aircraft. All need Air skills to succeed. It does not matter what training type (Sweep, Escort) you choose to gain the Air Skill, you can do the other air missions when you have sufficient skill levels.

As witpqs was saying, sometimes the best way to learn after spending time in school is to go out and do the job. So doing some actual CAP work after training up skills gives small gains in Air Skill but also gains in overall Experience. The same would apply if you had the newly graduated pilots do some Escort and Sweep missions in areas where they are unlikely to run into strong opposition.

BBfanboy-

For Land-Based Allied Fighter Squadrons, when I pull-up a particular squadron I don't see any CAP nor LRCAP mission nor training. For Carrier Fighter Squadrons, I do see LRCAP and CAP.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 6:59:35 PM

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By the Numbers

As of May 2, 1942

Emperor El Lobo is methodically destroying Allied forces and capturing Allied bases.

For the most part, other than the initial evacuation of ships from Malaya and the Philippines, the Allies have kept the vast bulk of their ships out of harm's way.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 7:04:05 PM

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Strategic Map

As of May 2, 1942

As you will notice, to date, El Lobo has not made a move on the Aleutian Islands, any of the Pacific Islands (including Midway and Wake), Tahiti, Fiji, New Caledonia, Australia, Ceylon, or India.

El Lobo has almost conquered all of Burma.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 7:22:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Combat Air Patrols can be done by any fighter.
It is the defence of your own base and surrounding area from air attack.
LRCAP is when you send the fighter out to patrol an air sector away from your base to deny it to enemy aircraft.
Escort is to protect your own bombers so they can get through enemy fighters to the target.
Sweep is to clear the air of enemy fighters so that your bombers can come in with or without escort.

All these types of fighter missions are available to both LBA and Naval aircraft. All need Air skills to succeed. It does not matter what training type (Sweep, Escort) you choose to gain the Air Skill, you can do the other air missions when you have sufficient skill levels.

As witpqs was saying, sometimes the best way to learn after spending time in school is to go out and do the job. So doing some actual CAP work after training up skills gives small gains in Air Skill but also gains in overall Experience. The same would apply if you had the newly graduated pilots do some Escort and Sweep missions in areas where they are unlikely to run into strong opposition.

BBfanboy-

For Land-Based Allied Fighter Squadrons, when I pull-up a particular squadron I don't see any CAP nor LRCAP mission nor training. For Carrier Fighter Squadrons, I do see LRCAP and CAP.

Best Regards,

-Terry

The CAP setting is not up in the same area as the missions - it is just below and will show up once you click Escort or Sweep. Then you go down and set the % CAP you want.
Keep in mind that if you select Escort and then set 100% CAP for a squadron none of the aircraft will be available to escort bombers.
Depending on the degree of threat and whether I have radar at the base I choose CAP between 20 and 40%. The remaining aircraft are in readiness to scramble if an attack comes in or to escort a bombing mission.
If your fighters are in action constantly for several days the pilots can get very fatigued. Use the Rest buttons to set a % of the squadron to rest. If that means some aircraft do not have pilots at the ready, it gives the maintenance guys a chance to reduce the aircraft fatigue (click the "Planes" hypertext at the lower left of the squadron screen to see how fatigued the aircraft are).

EDIT: Corrected hypertext to read "Planes" vice "Aircraft"

< Message edited by BBfanboy -- 11/16/2015 10:26:44 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2015 7:28:07 PM

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Combat Air Patrols can be done by any fighter.
It is the defence of your own base and surrounding area from air attack.
LRCAP is when you send the fighter out to patrol an air sector away from your base to deny it to enemy aircraft.
Escort is to protect your own bombers so they can get through enemy fighters to the target.
Sweep is to clear the air of enemy fighters so that your bombers can come in with or without escort.

All these types of fighter missions are available to both LBA and Naval aircraft. All need Air skills to succeed. It does not matter what training type (Sweep, Escort) you choose to gain the Air Skill, you can do the other air missions when you have sufficient skill levels.

As witpqs was saying, sometimes the best way to learn after spending time in school is to go out and do the job. So doing some actual CAP work after training up skills gives small gains in Air Skill but also gains in overall Experience. The same would apply if you had the newly graduated pilots do some Escort and Sweep missions in areas where they are unlikely to run into strong opposition.

BBfanboy-

For Land-Based Allied Fighter Squadrons, when I pull-up a particular squadron I don't see any CAP nor LRCAP mission nor training. For Carrier Fighter Squadrons, I do see LRCAP and CAP.

Best Regards,

-Terry

The CAP setting is not up in the same area as the missions - it is just below and will show up once you click Escort or Sweep. Then you go down and set the % CAP you want.
Keep in mind that if you select Escort and then set 100% CAP for a squadron none of the aircraft will be available to escort bombers.
Depending on the degree of threat and whether I have radar at the base I choose CAP between 20 and 40%. The remaining aircraft are in readiness to scramble if an attack comes in or to escort a bombing mission.
If your fighters are in action constantly for several days the pilots can get very fatigued. Use the Rest buttons to set a % of the squadron to rest. If that means some aircraft do not have pilots at the ready, it gives the maintenance guys a chance to reduce the aircraft fatigue (click the "Aircraft" hypertext at the lower left of the squadron screen to see how fatigued the aircraft are).

BBfanboy-

Thank you. I will check all of the above out.

It is a tough choice whether to use fighters for CAP over base or to escort bombers.

I am leaning toward escorting the bombers.

-Best Regards,

-Terry

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