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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/15/2015 11:52:02 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 12:45:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		If Noumea is only showing 1000 enemy troops, why are you bothering with the Isle of Pines? A good bombardment and landing he 4th Marines and Noumea is yours.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 8:45:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I should point out the map above has an error. The 1st marine Raiders landed at Tanna. There was resistance as well. They still
got ashore in good order. PHEW!

Why Isle of Pines:
1.) I play a bit on the "romantic" side. The boys (10av) have been stranded there since the debacle last fall. I wanted
to free them.
2.) The MO for Lars is give it up and take it back. I want air up as soon as possible with the least amount of naval air
support as possible. Kido Butai is intact. He may have wanted to preserve his ground forces, but I know he would
like a naval engagement sooner rather than later. I think he may be presuming I am two carriers less than fact.
3.) I want as many possible bases around any objective I take to give me some cover during the heavy reinforcement
to follow.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 8:57:57 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 9:02:58 PM   
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Well, I should point out the map above has an error. The 1st marine Raiders landed at Tanna. There was resistance as well. They still
got ashore in good order. PHEW!

Why Isle of Pines:
1.) I play a bit on the "romantic" side. The boys (10av) have been stranded there since the debacle last fall. I wanted
to free them.
2.) The MO for Lars is give it up and take it back. I want air up as soon as possible with the least amount of naval air
support as possible. Kido Butai is intact. He may have wanted to preserve his ground forces, but I know he would
like a naval engagement sooner rather than later. I think he may be presuming I am two carriers less than fact.
3.) I want as many possible bases around any objective I take to give me some cover during the heavy reinforcement
to follow.

More difficult to close two air bases than one...

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 9:06:07 PM   
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...and just because I never send out fighters to do bombing work....




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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 9:33:52 PM   
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Judging by the eyeball of that first guy, you found some zombie Marine Raiders to do your dirty work. Just point them at the enemy and say

"Over there boys! Look ... Brains!"

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 10:55:26 PM   
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the raids go on through the night




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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/16/2015 10:56:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
H8K2 Emily x 6

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x H8K2 Emily bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DM Breese, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 7000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 6

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LCI-83, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 7000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 7

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
H8K2 Emily x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K2 Emily: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AKA Centarus, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x H8K2 Emily bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Townsville , at 92,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CL Danae, Bomb hits 1
AM Wollongong, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/17/2015 1:42:39 AM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/17/2015 7:31:43 AM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/18/2015 12:20:08 AM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/18/2015 12:21:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ground combat at Tanna (120,157)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 655 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Defending force 402 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14

Allied adjusted assault: 9

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
     32 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
   1st Marine Raider Battalion

Defending units:
   2nd Indpt SNLF Coy

There is quite a little scrap on Tanna

**We were just discussing leadership modifiers, jiminy crikets! I have Edison, who do they have???

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/18/2015 1:32:24 AM   
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Ground combat at Tanna (120,157)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 655 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Defending force 402 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14

Allied adjusted assault: 9

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
     32 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
   1st Marine Raider Battalion

Defending units:
   2nd Indpt SNLF Coy

There is quite a little scrap on Tanna

**We were just discussing leadership modifiers, jiminy crikets! I have Edison, who do they have???

Makes me wonder whether one unit is getting the + for Leadership and the other is getting the + for Inspiration or Land skill.
Besides, Thomas Edison may have been a brilliant inventor but I don't think he was necessarily a great leader. Now "Red Mike" Edson on the other hand ...

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/18/2015 2:19:28 AM   
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Not sure I would have followed Alvo over the top.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/18/2015 12:00:59 PM   
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Well, I should point out the map above has an error. The 1st marine Raiders landed at Tanna. There was resistance as well. They still
got ashore in good order. PHEW!

Why Isle of Pines:
1.) I play a bit on the "romantic" side. The boys (10av) have been stranded there since the debacle last fall. I wanted
to free them.
2.) The MO for Lars is give it up and take it back. I want air up as soon as possible with the least amount of naval air
support as possible. Kido Butai is intact. He may have wanted to preserve his ground forces, but I know he would
like a naval engagement sooner rather than later. I think he may be presuming I am two carriers less than fact.
3.) I want as many possible bases around any objective I take to give me some cover during the heavy reinforcement
to follow.

More difficult to close two air bases than one...


Have to agree. WE tend to look at the main bases and build them only. I think this is a carry over from the no stacking limits days.
Stacking limits alone has caused me to look at building up many supporting bases in a sector, not just the main ones.
Noumea has a pretty low stacking limit and in my last game I was not able to use it as the only hub for stockpiling my Solomons invasion forces.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/19/2015 8:10:23 AM   
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is it just me, but over the last 2-3 years, I think Japanese players are expanding ever further every game?

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/19/2015 7:09:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you sir. As for the expansion thing, YES! I said as much I NyGiants AAR some time back. Players stretching
the extreme limits of Japan. Learning from other ARRs, and expounding on them. It most definitely has made the
Allied challenge much harder IMHO when facing an experienced and aggressive IJ player. I just hope they don't run
out of ideas.





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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/19/2015 11:08:03 PM   
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love the pictures and style of AAR

is it just me, but over the last 2-3 years, I think Japanese players are expanding ever further every game?


I would agree ... and the penality for overexpansion is the hokkaido hurricane or some form of it ..

Radier's game vs GreyJoy was the first that I recall where the IJ take over the world and then bam -- the Allies are on the gates ..
PZB's game shows there is a cost to overexpansion .. the supplies it takes to take PH and the world spend the 401K investment in supplies that need to be banked .. and the IJ ran out ..

I beleive the conclusion in the end will be aligned with NJP72's comment in a thread that the IJ need to find a perimeter and build up a defense rather than expand until a sudden collapse ...

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/20/2015 12:24:34 AM   
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love the pictures and style of AAR

is it just me, but over the last 2-3 years, I think Japanese players are expanding ever further every game?


I would agree ... and the penality for overexpansion is the hokkaido hurricane or some form of it ..

Radier's game vs GreyJoy was the first that I recall where the IJ take over the world and then bam -- the Allies are on the gates ..
PZB's game shows there is a cost to overexpansion .. the supplies it takes to take PH and the world spend the 401K investment in supplies that need to be banked .. and the IJ ran out ..

I beleive the conclusion in the end will be aligned with NJP72's comment in a thread that the IJ need to find a perimeter and build up a defense rather than expand until a sudden collapse ...

Finding that perimeter and building fallback lines from there was exactly what Greyjoy did on his first outing as the Emperor and Grand Pooh-bah of Japan. He also kept KB nearly intact but raided often when it was safe enough.

When the allies began breaking his interlocking bases (after months of pounding) he masterfully pulled back most troops to his next line, already mostly built to high level forts and airfields.

I think that one got hung up on the bug in the Air Combat model that borked CAP, so we didn't get to see the Allies struggle into 1946.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/20/2015 2:58:12 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/20/2015 3:21:55 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/20/2015 5:41:17 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/20/2015 6:09:00 PM   
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Static defence will not save Japan.  An active defence with appropriate counterattacks is vital to maintain or at least contest the initiative.

Alfred

Agreed. The idea of a series of defensive locations in a limited perimeter is to prevent dilution of Japanese strength and provide hard points that will tie the Allies down for a while. During this grind-down period, the Japanese can look for opportunities to make forays where the benefits outweigh the costs. That is what Greyjoy did with his KB raids when the Allies concentrated too much in one area.

On land, once the Japanese tanks are outclassed by the Allied ones, the only place they have superior mobility is China and maybe Burma until the Allied tanks can get there.

In the air, it seems that Japan needs to move its bombers around frequently to pull off surprise raids and dodge strikes on their airfields.


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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/21/2015 7:44:59 PM   
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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/21/2015 10:13:17 PM   
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Oh yeah? Tell it to the skipper of I-159! ...Wait ... you can't!

You gotta post game dates more often - I had to go back 20 posts to find out you were in August 1943 at that time. When you mentioned about ineffective subs I was thinking early 1943 when the US fleet subs had just got some semi-working torps. That score is pretty dismal for August 1943 or whatever your game date is.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/22/2015 12:43:47 AM   
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Oh yeah? Tell it to the skipper of I-159! ...Wait ... you can't!

You gotta post game dates more often - I had to go back 20 posts to find out you were in August 1943 at that time. When you mentioned about ineffective subs I was thinking early 1943 when the US fleet subs had just got some semi-working torps. That score is pretty dismal for August 1943 or whatever your game date is.



I think before the first torp upgrade the probability is P(.20) per torp .. so to know if you got borked you would need to know how many torps fired at how many targets. If 20% on average made their mark then the game is working as designed .. I have had more sunk ships from US subs but I also had a whole bunch of encouters .. and lots of duds that on occasion a torp made a hit .. The other hope is the law of regression toward the mean and that in 1944 you are going to get your just due ..

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/22/2015 12:59:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Truly abysmal results from the sub service. There have been several chances at Yamato and some of the fleet
carriers, nothing. About half the sub fleet is in port waiting to redeploy. It maybe time to try hunting deeper in
Indian country.





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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/22/2015 3:32:03 PM   
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Luganville falls without a reaction, yet. There is a large concentration of Japanese in the southern Solomons.

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RE: To Young to Die, To Old to Rock and Roll - 11/22/2015 3:36:46 PM   
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