FoxZz
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Hi, I had already pointed out such an issue in a previous post, but I didn't bring enough evidences, and when I finally did the thread has been forgotten.
That's why I (re)create this thread because I think this is a serious issue.
The war is always a race bteween the shield and the sword, but to me in C:MANO, the shield is over-represented.
Missile defense can basically shot down incoming threats way too easilly imho and if the missile pk is well represented for aircrafts with a lot of modifiers, it isn't really the case for surface base systems, partly because there isn't that many modifiers. In some cases, it's more rewarding/effective to bring an aircraft that will evade incoming missiles to drop dump bombs on the target instead of using stand-off weapons.
Hence, after noticing that in my missions, I carried out several tests. Those tests were mainly carried out with French stuff, because I know it better.
I think those issues are mainly due to the fact that the only modifier that decrease the AA missiles probability of hit is the signature modifier of the targeted weapon, and it rarely exceed 25%.
But mainly, many weapons shoudln't be able to engage bombs and missiles. And also, there is no differencies between a basic cruise missile, a glide bomb, a smart cruise missile, a nuclear missile, an anti-ship missile etc. Many upgrades have seen their range extended as IRL, but their properties and behaviour hasn't been really changed.
For example the Exocet MM40 Block 3, or the SM/AM-39 block2 mod2 the latests exocets in service, are still marked with a pop-up terminal maneuveuring, while they are using random evasive maneuvers, their IR and EM signatures hasn't been imporved either, the older exocet are using zig zag manuvers, etc
When you see missiles as big as this
There is also a specific issue with glide bombs/smart bombs :
How can something like this :
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engaging and destroying on a very regular basis small bombs like that
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arriving with such an angle
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It doesn't seems very realistic to me.
Outside of the Naval missiles and similar systems, Tunguska and Pantsir, which systems can reliably destroy modern missiles ? And which one can manage to destroy a bomb ?
Because ingame even old missiles like SA-2, SA-5, etc can engage and destroy both glide bombs and advanced cruise missiles.
I've even saw a 1960 SA-5c, designed to destroy strategic bombers (!), destroying a 2010, mach 3, stealth, smart and manoeuvrable ASMP-A nuclear missile. And all this while shooting only 2 missiles at it. It has been detected 145nm away. Screenshot of the PH probability, and save available. Why is there such a little signature modfier on a stelath missile ? Why thre is no speed modifier on a missile flying at Mach 3+ and why this missile is flying at high alt and not just above earth ?
I think all this stuff would need a rework and definitly isn't working as intended. In the current state air to ground ammuntions are way to easilly destroyable.
Maybe adding properties to the missiles that would add modifier to the PH calculations, as well as making a differance between the different kinds of missiles and bombs, and removing the ability of some of those system to engage such targets. Also, bringing up to date all the features os severall weapons.
On the other hand, I've noticed that anti-radiation missiles are waaay too effective against ships, and have became more effective to kill ships than dedicated anti-ships missiles.
A couple of sead missile are enough to deal deadly damages to a frigate size ship, while their warhead is very tiny and not designed to kill ships (HARM warhead 65kg, Exocet Warhead 165kg).
Moreover they damage the whole ship while they are supposed to destroy radars and antennas and shoudn'lt really affect the hull of the ship at the contrary of anti-ship missiles.
Lastly, I don't think they have any terminal maneuvers properties at the contrary of anti-ship missiles.
This could be dealt by making those missile hit only the radars and the near stuff and reduccing their destruction power.
Here attached, a scenario where 3 planes are involved, one with dumb bombs and one with smart bombs on a single targets, the plane with dumb bombs will succeed better than the plane with smart ones.
Lastly a plane with a ASMP-A missile which 1/2 will be shot down by 1960 AA systems ...
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