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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/8/2016 4:30:16 PM

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Wow. This is far too late in the war to expose BBs to air attack without any real CAP at all. And those APAs are also very valuable. Seems to me those fleets didn't have any dedicated LRCAP even if it was available. Also it suggests a shortage of CVEs for the Allies. Docup still has much to learn I think.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/8/2016 4:43:24 PM

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Also it suggests a shortage of CVEs for the Allies...

I suppose the origin of this shortage is couple pages back in the thread

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/11/2016 4:25:07 AM

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Wow. This is far too late in the war to expose BBs to air attack without any real CAP at all. And those APAs are also very valuable. Seems to me those fleets didn't have any dedicated LRCAP even if it was available. Also it suggests a shortage of CVEs for the Allies. Docup still has much to learn I think.

CAP was present over invasion fleet. No CAP above BBs. I think Docup plan to move BBs together with invasion but he mess something with orders.
I just did not show all waves of Jap planes. At beginning over enemy fleet there was 100+ enemy fighters. But because of combat and range after few waves CAP was reduced. I lost 200 planes to get those few AKA and APA hits.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/11/2016 4:28:46 AM

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Also it suggests a shortage of CVEs for the Allies...

I suppose the origin of this shortage is couple pages back in the thread

Stil no excuse for Docup to not bring 2,3 CVE to have some range 0 CAP and not only LCAP.
He could suspect some resistance but i believe he underestimate Jap presence in area. I am focusing defense on North Japan but i will not give him free victories in other places.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/11/2016 12:15:26 PM

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I don't want to sound rude, but you should stop this game. Docup is understandably traumatised by successive losses, but right now he is just throwing s*** to the fan to see what happens, not playing focused anymore.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/11/2016 1:09:05 PM

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I don't want to sound rude, but you should stop this game. Docup is understandably traumatised by successive losses, but right now he is just throwing s*** to the fan to see what happens, not playing focused anymore.

I think that happens to most games at points. A player failures their personal morale check, doesn't mean it is forever, as the player would merely quit.

I think in this case the Allies were hoping Japan's strength and attention were elsewhere.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/15/2016 4:33:08 AM

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Game continue. Whatever Docup is trying to do in DEI it is now secondary for me.
At this point of war his moves whatever South or East of Manila are almost irrelevant to war. I need to focus on protection of Home Island

4 May 1945

Japanese planes sweep again over Ketoi-jima. 43 Franks lost for 27 enemy planes.

CAP trap in North China. Jap fighters shot down 30 Chinese 2E bombers. I believe Docup is now out of bombers for those groups.

Last preparations for counterattack on enemy fleet in Ketoi-jima hex. Bombers, sweep and escort fighters are on place (2000 planes total). KB will move today on sea (900 planes). What is worry me is that i believe I saw DS during replay ~10 hexes West of Ketoi-jima. It look Docup moving another resupply TFs toward Ketoi-jima and DS is giving air LCAP. I will try to avoid DS encounter if passable - but will not run. My goal is to kill his surface ships.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/15/2016 5:48:32 AM

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Any thoughts on how to handle the USSR? Their entry is just around the corner now.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/15/2016 9:23:24 AM

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Game continue. Whatever Docup is trying to do in DEI it is now secondary for me.
At this point of war his moves whatever South or East of Manila are almost irrelevant to war. I need to focus on protection of Home Island

+1

So be sure that you don't have units sitting out there when you need them close to home.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/15/2016 9:26:55 AM

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Any thoughts on how to handle the USSR? Their entry is just around the corner now.

Prayer.

Seriously, armor and LBA ground attack (meaning control of the air) are the only things that can slow/delay the SOV units.
All the IJA ground attack pilots that you trained up and all the Helens that you built for the last 4 years into all the LBA air groups that you now have ...
you need 100's concentrated all the time.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/18/2016 4:58:41 AM

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Game continue. Whatever Docup is trying to do in DEI it is now secondary for me.
At this point of war his moves whatever South or East of Manila are almost irrelevant to war. I need to focus on protection of Home Island

+1

So be sure that you don't have units sitting out there when you need them close to home.

I have 800AV in Singapore area. I will evacuated them in next weeks.
Sumatra and Java are empty. 1200AV in Ambon area. I will not evacuate them to avoid losing Celebes for free
In Manila i have 2000AV. But i will not evacuate them for next 2 months(lack of ships).
Also ~3000AV in Mariana Islands - Currently during evacuation. I will left three only small garrisons.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/18/2016 5:10:46 AM

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Any thoughts on how to handle the USSR? Their entry is just around the corner now.

Prayer.

Seriously, armor and LBA ground attack (meaning control of the air) are the only things that can slow/delay the SOV units.
All the IJA ground attack pilots that you trained up and all the Helens that you built for the last 4 years into all the LBA air groups that you now have ...
you need 100's concentrated all the time.

I have huge training camp in Fusan(lot of rail connections is making reinforcements fast). Avery new ID arriving in last months is moved there and is taking replacements and resting. 8000AV at this moment and rising.

My plan is to retreat from USSR/Manchuria border more south. It is impassible to protect entire line. I believe only reasonable tactic is to start fighting on Manchuria/Korea border where I will be able to concentrate my troops in good defensive terrain.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/18/2016 7:03:04 AM

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My plan is to retreat from USSR/Manchuria border more south. It is impassible to protect entire line. I believe only reasonable tactic is to start fighting on Manchuria/Korea border where I will be able to concentrate my troops in good defensive terrain.

Probably the wise move here as you can afford to give up those base VPs in Manchuria. Still, I think it would unwise to give up so much of Manchuria for free. The railways are very critical in Manchuria and there are hexes that sit in 3x terrain that can block movement along them. Dig in some infantry into some non base hexes along those railways and make the Soviets attack you. Those dig in levels for units in non base hexes cannot be decreased by assaults which can make those units very difficult to root out. The longer it takes for the Soviets to reach your main line of defense the better.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 1/19/2016 11:22:35 AM

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My plan is to retreat from USSR/Manchuria border more south. It is impassible to protect entire line. I believe only reasonable tactic is to start fighting on Manchuria/Korea border where I will be able to concentrate my troops in good defensive terrain.

Probably the wise move here as you can afford to give up those base VPs in Manchuria. Still, I think it would unwise to give up so much of Manchuria for free. The railways are very critical in Manchuria and there are hexes that sit in 3x terrain that can block movement along them. Dig in some infantry into some non base hexes along those railways and make the Soviets attack you. Those dig in levels for units in non base hexes cannot be decreased by assaults which can make those units very difficult to root out. The longer it takes for the Soviets to reach your main line of defense the better.

I would tend to agree ... pick some place and setup some blocks. use your LBA to hit his armor in clear terrain. Your aircraft should in general be superior to the SOV, so use that to your advantage.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/9/2016 6:38:03 PM

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Is this game still going on? Would love to see an update.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/9/2016 8:09:59 PM

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We are still playing, but game tempo is rather slow. We playing 3-4 turns weekly. Sometimes less sometimes more.
Game date is currently 6 July 1945. Maybe if i find some time i will do quick update.

I believe game speed as currently it is ok for both of us. Last months we focusing on more important stuff, me and Docup want to focus more on family and job.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/9/2016 8:55:15 PM

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I'd love to see how things are going too, but with two boys I sympathize with the family focus. Thanks for letting us know!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 10/5/2016 7:29:08 AM

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