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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/13/2016 10:40:57 PM

Rio Bravo

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Japanese Carriers

Bay of Bengal

July 15, 1942

BBfanboy & pontiouspilot-

The following Japanese Carriers have recently been sighted in the Bay of Bengal:

Soryu
Hiryu
Shokaku
Zuikaku
Genzan Ku

There may be more Japanese Carriers present in the Bay of Bengal, but I haven't spotted nor received any intelligence that more Japanese Carriers are in the Bay of Bengal.

The Long Island is in route to the Aleutian Islands.

The Enterprise, Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Wasp, and Hornet are in route to Pearl Harbor.

All seven carriers are accompanied by BBs, CAs, Cls, and DDs.

Accordingly, if the American Carriers go to the Bay of Bengal and there are just the five Japanese Carriers there, the Allies will outnumber the Japanese Carriers by one Carrier.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/13/2016 11:12:58 PM

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That ship might not have seen any LCU on Marcus, but that is not proof there is none. Ships don't always "see" an LCU.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 1:23:36 AM

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Ok...I only count 4 CVs in IO, but all big ladies. This leaves Kaga, Akagi and the light CVEs unaccounted for. If it was me I would try to shake the latter out of the palms in mid-Pacific. Trying to Grab Marcus might shake them out. When do Kaga and Akagi refit?....I used to know...someone will pipe in.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 2:56:07 AM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

for

July 7, 1942

Allies received intelligence that the Japanese 4th Fleet is planning an attack on Wake Island. If this is true, we might just find out where the rest of the Japanese Carriers are located.

Japanese Shove Chinese Out of the Woods South of Tienshui:

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 58916 troops, 1166 guns, 753 vehicles, Assault Value = 1690

Defending force 25662 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 571

Japanese adjusted assault: 1004

Allied adjusted defense: 283

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
697 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 139 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
9534 casualties reported
Squads: 336 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 519 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units retreated 8

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
37th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
14th Division
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th RF Gun Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th RF Gun Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
7th RF Gun Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
4th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
18th Group Army
6th War Area
14th Group Army
71st Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps

Japanese Destroy Samarinda KNIL Battalion Near Balikpapan:

Ground combat at 63,96 (near Balikpapan)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1468 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 135 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 28

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 28 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
179 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
51st Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Samarinda KNIL Battalion

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 2:58:26 AM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

That ship might not have seen any LCU on Marcus, but that is not proof there is none. Ships don't always "see" an LCU.

witpqs-

Well, damn.

Thank you for the information.

I guess I'll find out when the Allies attempt to land a Base Force,Infantry Battalion, and Catalina.

Your pal,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 3:01:19 AM

Rio Bravo

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ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Ok...I only count 4 CVs in IO, but all big ladies. This leaves Kaga, Akagi and the light CVEs unaccounted for. If it was me I would try to shake the latter out of the palms in mid-Pacific. Trying to Grab Marcus might shake them out. When do Kaga and Akagi refit?....I used to know...someone will pipe in.

pontious pilot-

Is the Gensun Ku a Carrier?

Haven't a clue when the Kaga and Akagi refit. But, intelligence indicates that the Japanese 4th Fleet is planning to attack Wake Island.

Invading Marcus Island will also make El Lobo nervous about Hokkaido and the Kurile Islands.

Best Regard,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 7:41:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

I don't like Bay of Bengal in '42 for Allies. It is much too easy to get trapped. Add to this long-legged LBA from Ceylon and I see trouble. If you know where the bulk of his CVs are then be where they are not and whittle away on the edges. If he is using the good CVs against land targets in India and Burma attrition of his high skill pilots will bite his ass. You can afford to lose some LBA if those are who you are wearing down.

quote:

send the 6 American Carriers

I think it's been long enough since I looked at El Lobo's AAR that I can comment again.

I agree with the govenor here, keep your carriers in the bluer oceans of the Pacific, where, given the IJN emphasis on the Asian mainland, they shouldn't bump into too many Betties (or IJN carriers).

How are the Beaufort numbers in your RAF/RAAF squadrons in the vicinity of the KB? If his zeros are being whittled down by reacting to LBA strikes by anything else - Blenhiems, Wellingtons, USAF mediums, whatever .... up at 18,000 feet... the Beauforts might just sneak a few planes through on the deck, and the British torpedos work.

PS - If you have any USAF mediums trained up for low naval attack, send them in at 100 feet with the Beaus, they might 'skip bomb'.

< Message edited by Ian R -- 2/14/2016 8:47:40 AM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 4:42:30 PM

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As far as I know Genzan is the famous land based group that sank POW/Repulse...it's certainly not a CV unless you are playing some exotic scenario I don't know.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 5:46:17 PM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ian R

quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

I don't like Bay of Bengal in '42 for Allies. It is much too easy to get trapped. Add to this long-legged LBA from Ceylon and I see trouble. If you know where the bulk of his CVs are then be where they are not and whittle away on the edges. If he is using the good CVs against land targets in India and Burma attrition of his high skill pilots will bite his ass. You can afford to lose some LBA if those are who you are wearing down.

quote:

send the 6 American Carriers

I think it's been long enough since I looked at El Lobo's AAR that I can comment again.

I agree with the govenor here, keep your carriers in the bluer oceans of the Pacific, where, given the IJN emphasis on the Asian mainland, they shouldn't bump into too many Betties (or IJN carriers).

How are the Beaufort numbers in your RAF/RAAF squadrons in the vicinity of the KB? If his zeros are being whittled down by reacting to LBA strikes by anything else - Blenhiems, Wellingtons, USAF mediums, whatever .... up at 18,000 feet... the Beauforts might just sneak a few planes through on the deck, and the British torpedos work.

PS - If you have any USAF mediums trained up for low naval attack, send them in at 100 feet with the Beaus, they might 'skip bomb'.

Ian R-

The Allied Fighter Squadron Sweeps have been effective in India and Burma. During the last 2 or 3 weeks, I would guess that approximately 50 to 75 Zeros, Sallys, and Bettys have splashed into the Bay of Bengal.

I have very, very few Beauforts left (I think around 4 or 5). I remain fairly well-stocked with fighters, medium level bombers, and light level bombers from 221, 223, 224, and 225 RAF Groups (originally in Malaya and the Philippines); and most of the India AFQ is in tact. The bombers do alright for ground attack, but I never hit any ships with them..not a single one.

Now then, I flew some Torpedo Bomber Squadrons off of a couple British Carriers and they are in route to Chittagong, Cox's Bazar, and Akyab. It is a slow process, as every time I fly them from one base to another (always trying to keep within their normal range), a few need maintenance/repair. So, I stand them down until they reach full strength, then fly them to another base toward their destinations (i.e., Chittagong, Cox's Bazar, and Akyab).

I have 150 Fighters and 9 Mitchel B-25C Bombers from the Tenth USAAF; and 345 mixture of II U.S. Fighters and V U.S. Bombers. All of these aircraft have been hidden at interior bases within India. They have been trained for ground attack (what a slow process getting their experience up) earmarked for one of two occasions: First, to surprise El Lobo should he be foolish enough to invade India this late in the war. Second, to accompany Operation Land Shark when Operation Land Shark swarms into Burma.

Lastly, 4 B-17E Squadrons (29 aircraft total) and 7 TR Squadrons are in route to India. The 7 TR Squadrons will join the 6 TR Squadrons presently at Calcutta flying supply to Akyab. The B-17 Squadrons will join the Tenth USAAF. More B-17s will be sent to India from the U.S.

So, I am in good shape, with the exception of having just a handful of Beauforts and a few other Torpedo Bombers. I am hurting in India for Torpedo Bombers (both land and sea).

I am taking your and pontiouspilot's recommendation not to send the American Carriers to India under advisement. When the Carriers reach Pearl (three or four more days), I will make a decision as to whether the carriers will proceed to India or not.

Good to have you back, Ian and thank you for your input.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/14/2016 5:50:35 PM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

As far as I know Genzan is the famous land based group that sank POW/Repulse...it's certainly not a CV unless you are playing some exotic scenario I don't know.

pontiouspilot-

Thank you for the information regarding the Genzan.

To my knowledge then, El Lobo only has 4 Carriers in the Bay of Bengal (The Soryu, the Hiryu, the Shokaku, and the Zuikaku).

D you think it is too dangerous for the Enterprise, Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Wasp, and Hornet to meet those Japanese Carriers head on for a battle?

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/15/2016 9:15:36 AM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

for

July 16, 1942

I am surprised by our brave Chinese that continue to dig-in, fight hard, and slow down the Japanese advance toward Chungking.

The Akyab airfield has fully recovered and the Port is almost fully recovered from the Japanese Surface Ship Bombarbment two days ago.

You know that you have spent way too much time playing War in the Pacific when you can spell Tienshui without having to refresh your memory by looking at the map of China.

Japanese Bombard the last Chinese Units left in the Woods South of Tienshui:

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 57848 troops, 1166 guns, 753 vehicles, Assault Value = 1579

Defending force 770 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Allied ground losses:
111 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
37th Division
14th Division
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
26th Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
4th RF Gun Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
6th RF Gun Battalion
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
14th Group Army
77th Chinese Corps

Chinese Hold Their Own Near Kweiyang!

Ground combat at 75,48 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 92567 troops, 948 guns, 156 vehicles, Assault Value = 2938

Defending force 38944 troops, 121 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1267

Japanese adjusted assault: 1793

Allied adjusted defense: 941

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4815 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 380 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Guns lost 43 (1 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3857 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 466 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 104 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Guns lost 22 (2 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Assaulting units:
55th Infantry Brigade
51st Infantry Brigade
104th Division
6th Division
22nd Division
3rd Division
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
39th Division
40th Division
138th Infantry Regiment
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd JAAF AF Coy
RGC Army
1st JAAF AF Coy
23rd Army
8th Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
28th Mountain Gun Regiment
67th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
65th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
30th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
1st Group Army
9th Group Army
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
16th Group Army
7th Chinese Base Force
13th Chinese Base Force
29th Group Army
20th Chinese Base Force

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/16/2016 6:21:12 AM

Rio Bravo

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Combat Report

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July 17, 1942

Overwhelming Japanese Forces Destroy the Remnants of the Chinese in the Woods South of Tienshui:

Ground combat at 80,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 58033 troops, 1166 guns, 753 vehicles, Assault Value = 1597

Defending force 700 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1043

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 1043 to 1 Recount, I demand a recount! *laughing*

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
987 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 114 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
37th Division
14th Division
1st Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
1st Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
14th Group Army
77th Chinese Corps

Damn Zeros Remind Me of a Pack of Pesky Mosquitos:

Morning Air attack on Cox's Bazar, at 54,43

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Mohawk IV x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 5 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.5 Sqn RAF with Mohawk IV (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
No.258 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
No.273 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 16000.
Raid is overhead

Awesome Chinese Tell the Japanese to Bend Over and Kiss Their Asses Adios Near Ankang!

Ground combat at 81,40 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 76162 troops, 747 guns, 356 vehicles, Assault Value = 2715

Defending force 91867 troops, 310 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3019

Japanese adjusted assault: 1222

Allied adjusted defense: 2413

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6704 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 1087 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 61 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 151 disabled
Guns lost 87 (2 destroyed, 85 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1827 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 143 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Assaulting units:
12th Division
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
23rd Division
36th Division
28th Engineer Regiment
24th Division
1st Engineer Regiment
41st Division
26th Engineer Regiment
52nd Road Const Co
3rd Army
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
45th Road Const Co
6th Army
7th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Army
1st Army
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
49th Const Co
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
46th Const Co
9th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
47th Road Const Co
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
48th Road Const Co
24th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Mongol Garrison Army
46th Road Const Co
45th Const Co
56th JAAF AF Bn
12th Army
51st Road Const Co
68th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
50th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
57th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
23rd Group Army
26th Group Army

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/16/2016 4:50:22 PM

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I would be prepared to risk the CV encounter given the IO presence of 4/6 of KB. Remember that if you suffer equal, or close to equal losses of planes and ships in '42 then you have won a large strategic victory.

Try to have the encounter outside of Betty/Nell torpedo range, unless you are fairly certain there are none around. Try to have upgraded to all Wildcats. You won't have Avengers yet so if it was me I would ditch Devastators and replace with SBDs or extra Wildcats, even if not fully CV trained. If you're having a CV engagement I wouldn't worry too much about missing the torps on the short-legged Devastators.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/16/2016 11:29:54 PM

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Combat Report

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July 18,1942

The Japanese sent 23 Zeros to Strafe Akyab today with very little success and no aircraft losses on neither side.

Japanese Amphibious Assault at Bima:

Amphibious Assault at Bima (63,110)

TF 334 troops unloading over beach at Bima, 63,110

Japanese ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Japanese Bombard Chinese Near Ankang:

Ground combat at 81,40 (near Ankang)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2085 troops, 123 guns, 171 vehicles, Assault Value = 1857

Defending force 90610 troops, 308 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2877

Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Engineer Regiment
41st Division
24th Division
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
36th Division
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
12th Division
23rd Division
26th Engineer Regiment
46th Road Const Co
56th JAAF AF Bn
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Army
24th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Road Const Co
49th Const Co
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
5th Army
45th Road Const Co
1st Army
47th Road Const Co
12th Army
52nd Road Const Co
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
46th Const Co
48th Road Const Co
45th Const Co
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
9th Ind. Engineer Regiment
7th Ind. Engineer Regiment
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
28th Engineer Regiment
6th Army
Mongol Garrison Army
68th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
57th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
23rd Group Army
26th Group Army

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/16/2016 11:36:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

I would be prepared to risk the CV encounter given the IO presence of 4/6 of KB. Remember that if you suffer equal, or close to equal losses of planes and ships in '42 then you have won a large strategic victory.

Try to have the encounter outside of Betty/Nell torpedo range, unless you are fairly certain there are none around. Try to have upgraded to all Wildcats. You won't have Avengers yet so if it was me I would ditch Devastators and replace with SBDs or extra Wildcats, even if not fully CV trained. If you're having a CV engagement I wouldn't worry too much about missing the torps on the short-legged Devastators.

pontiouspilot-

I agree. I would be very happy to trade the loss of Carriers at an equal basis considering the Allies get many more Carriers and the Japanese don't get many more Carriers.

The American Carrier Task Force is one day out of Pearl. I will unload the Devastators and attempt to replace with fighters.

I am close to making a decision regarding the American Carriers. I am down to two choices: Station them near Wake Island to intercept the Japanese intended invasion of Wake Island (though the intelligence report may not be accurate) or send the Carriers to the Bay of Bengal.

As always, thank you for your response and input.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/17/2016 12:45:27 AM

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You could do both - show your CVs at Wake Island then loop around Oz and go to WC India to get spruced up for a confrontation in the IO. He might move out his CVs from the Bay of Bengal to protect his CentPac convoys, especially if he tries to send more troops to Wake (after you presumably smashed the first attempt).

Beware though, having your Naval Strike split between hitting transports and hitting carriers is a good way to lose a carrier battle. Use picket ships to see if any IJN Carriers are in the Wake area before committing to hit the invasion.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/18/2016 12:44:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

You could do both - show your CVs at Wake Island then loop around Oz and go to WC India to get spruced up for a confrontation in the IO. He might move out his CVs from the Bay of Bengal to protect his CentPac convoys, especially if he tries to send more troops to Wake (after you presumably smashed the first attempt).

Beware though, having your Naval Strike split between hitting transports and hitting carriers is a good way to lose a carrier battle. Use picket ships to see if any IJN Carriers are in the Wake area before committing to hit the invasion.

BBfanboy-

I hadn't thought about hanging out at Wake Island for a bit and then heading to the Bay of Bengal.

I will keep in mind using Destroyers to assure Japanese Carriers are in the vicinity of Wake Island prior to committing the American Carriers.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/18/2016 1:32:37 AM

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Marcus and Wake Islands

An Update for The War College

July 19, 1942

Marcus Island

In an attempt to further enhance the ruse that the Allies intend an early invasion of Hokkaido and the Kurile Islands, the following measures have been implemented:

1.) PG Sacramento is in the harbor of Marcus Island. The Sacramento has not sighted any Japanese ground forces, ships, nor aircraft. The Sacramento will remain on station until sunk or the Marcus Island Invasion Force arrives.

2.) The 177th USAAF BF is at Pearl Harbor loading on Amphibious Task Force 298 bound for Marcus Island.

3.) The 5th Marine Defense Battalion is at Pearl Harbor loading on Amphibious Task Force 346 bound for Marcus Island.

4.) Task Force 592 is off the Coast of Adak Island. Task Force 592 will meet the Marcus Island Invasion Force at Marcus Island. Task Force 592 consists of the following ships:

-CVE Long Island
-BB California
-CA San Francisco
-CLAA San Diego
-DD Wilson
-DD Selfridge
-DD Balch
-DD Clark

5.) DD Hatfield is at dutch Harbor. DD John D. Edwards is at Adka Island. These two Destroyers will arrive at Marcus Island well ahead of Task Forces 298, 346, and 592 to snoop around.

6.) Six (6) of the numerous Submarines off the coasts of the Aleutian Islands will refuel at Adak Island and then head out to surround Marcus Island. The Submarines will arrive well ahead of the Invasion and Carrier Task Forces.

Wake Island

1.) The 176th USAAF BF is at Pearl Harbor loading on Task Force 297 bound for Wake Island to join the Wake (Det) Defense Battalion.

2.) All Carriers, Combat Surface Ships, Oilers, etc. have arrived at Pearl Harbor. Some require minor repair (The Wasp needs 3 days). All Carrier Aircraft are standing down to reduce minor fatigue for some squadrons. In four days, Task Forces will be compiled and sent to Wake Island with the hope of catching the Japanese attempting to invade Wake Island.

3.) The Devastators have been flown off the Wasp and have been replaced by six (6) F4F-4 Wildcats.

4.) Submarine SS Sailfish is at Wake Island incurring minor repairs. It will be two days until she is completely repaired. The following Submarines have left Pearl Harbor and are in route to Wake Island:

-SS Perch
-SS Sealion
-SS Tarpon
-SS Seal
-SS Searaven

End Note

Please advise as to your recommendations regarding Carrier Task Force compositions and Carrier Aircraft settings so that I can review all recommendations and make decisions prior to forming the Task Forces and implementing aircraft settings.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/18/2016 8:01:14 AM

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July 19, 1942

Other than the Evil Red Sun sinking an Allied xAK, it was a slow day.

Japanese Forces Capture Bima:

Ground combat at Bima (63,110)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 516 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 19

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 9

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bima !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy

Japanese Sink Allied xAK Near Astoria:

Submarine attack near Astoria at 209,56

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
xAK Arcata, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Arcata is sighted by SS I-1
SS I-1 attacking xAK Arcata on the surface

Japanese Sallys Fear Akyab!

Morning Air attack on Akyab, at 54,45

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/18/2016 10:49:57 AM

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Some will swear that you shouldn't have more than a single carrier in a TF in '42 due to the coordination penalty, but others, myself included will tell you it's fine to operate in pairs.

The Americans simply don't have enough escorts to enjoy the luxury of single CV TFs.

I use mine in pairs in 42 with at least two CAs, one CLAA if available and 8 DDs of the class with the highest current AA values.

I almost never operate carrier TFs without an escorting surface CA TF (replaced by a fast BB TF once they become available).

The surface TF has a dual role, protection of the carriers against an enemy surface TF and availability for a surface bombardment run.

I will often also assign an ASW TF of fast movers such as DDs if I have enough to escort the carriers.

The short legged ASW TF needs oilers to keep up with the long legged boys so an oiler TF almost always shadows my carrier TFs.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/19/2016 10:03:03 AM

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July 20, 1942

The Japanese were on vacation today. The four Japanese Carriers have not been sighted in the Bay of Bengal for four days.

Sallys Damaged at Akyab:

Morning Air attack on Akyab, at 54,45

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/19/2016 10:06:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Some will swear that you shouldn't have more than a single carrier in a TF in '42 due to the coordination penalty, but others, myself included will tell you it's fine to operate in pairs.

The Americans simply don't have enough escorts to enjoy the luxury of single CV TFs.

I use mine in pairs in 42 with at least two CAs, one CLAA if available and 8 DDs of the class with the highest current AA values.

I almost never operate carrier TFs without an escorting surface CA TF (replaced by a fast BB TF once they become available).

The surface TF has a dual role, protection of the carriers against an enemy surface TF and availability for a surface bombardment run.

I will often also assign an ASW TF of fast movers such as DDs if I have enough to escort the carriers.

The short legged ASW TF needs oilers to keep up with the long legged boys so an oiler TF almost always shadows my carrier TFs.

Hans-

The configuration of and Task Forces recommended sound reasonable to me. I will have enough of all ship types to compile the Task Forces you recommend.

I don't think I will need Oilers as all ships can refuel at Midway.

As Always, I appreciate your sage advice.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/19/2016 11:26:05 PM

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Hans' advice is good. I would do 2-3 CVs/TF but certainly no more. You do want them operating in close proximity. I would scout north and west with several of the Concord class of CL for several days ahead of main event and until unloaded. ASAP you will need to get some cats in to scout. Do you have Cats at wake now? If you have been allowed to operate Cats there that is a huge benefit already.

I would take AOs cause you would be a gr grandpa before you would refuel much at Midway! Remember you may have to leave at full speed which will burn lots of fuel.

Has the Marcus scout been sighted? I would worry that the 4xCVs have disappeared outa IO. They cover lots of ground in 4 days. Do you have the ability to long-range recon Singapore? That may be a likely replenishing port. How many days out is your move?

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/20/2016 4:52:09 PM

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July 21, 1942

Another slow day. Another Sally bites the dust.

A Typical Routine Japanese Aircraft Bombardment in China; This Time Near Ankang:

Morning Air attack on 16th Chinese Corps, at 81,40, near Ankang

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 57th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 16th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 57th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 16th Chinese Corps ...

Greetings From the Allied Big Guns at Akyab!

Morning Air attack on B Sqn 3rd Hussars Regiment, at 54,45 (Akyab)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 12000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Allied AM Canso Hits Japanese SS I-28 Sub Near Alliford Bay!

Sub attack near Alliford Bay at 199,45

Japanese Ships
SS I-28, hits 1

Allied Ships
AM Canso

SS I-28 launches 2 torpedoes
AM Canso fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Canso fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Canso fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Canso attacking submerged sub ....
AM Canso loses contact with SS I-28
SS I-28 eludes ASW attack from AM Canso
AM Canso cannot reach attack position over SS I-28
AM Canso fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Hudsons Meet Doom at Bathurst Island:

Afternoon Air attack on 6th Base Force, at 76,123 (Bathurst Island)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
Hudson III (LR) x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson III (LR): 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Tainan Ku S-1/A with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/20/2016 5:15:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Hans' advice is good. I would do 2-3 CVs/TF but certainly no more. You do want them operating in close proximity. I would scout north and west with several of the Concord class of CL for several days ahead of main event and until unloaded. ASAP you will need to get some cats in to scout. Do you have Cats at wake now? If you have been allowed to operate Cats there that is a huge benefit already.

I would take AOs cause you would be a gr grandpa before you would refuel much at Midway! Remember you may have to leave at full speed which will burn lots of fuel.

Has the Marcus scout been sighted? I would worry that the 4xCVs have disappeared outa IO. They cover lots of ground in 4 days. Do you have the ability to long-range recon Singapore? That may be a likely replenishing port. How many days out is your move?

pontiouspilot-

In response to your recommendations and advice:

1.) The Allies will orchestrate three carrier Task Forces (each with two carriers) and either one or two surface combat Task Forces.

2.) I don't think there are any Concord Class CLs at Pearl.

3.) Presently, there are nine PBY-5a Catalinas on Wake Island.

4.) To be on the safe side, I will load up and send an Oiler Task Force to trail well behind the Air and Surface Combat Task Forces.

5.) I don't know whether the PG Sacramento has been spotted at Marcus Island. The Sacramento has sat in the bay at Marcus for about 5 days now.

6.) Nope, the Allies don't have anything close to Singapore for fear of getting creamed!

7.) The Wasp needs one more day to complete repairs and I will need to send the slow moving Oiler Task Force out prior to moving the faster carrier and surface combat task forces. So, perhaps three to four days before leaving Pearl for Wake Island?

Lastly, I plan to station the Carriers and Surface Combat Task Forces about two or three hexes East of Wake Island. Does this sound about right?

Thank you for your advice.

Best Regards,

-Terry

< Message edited by Rio Bravo -- 2/20/2016 6:47:52 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/21/2016 4:02:22 AM

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July 22, 1942

Japanese Carriers turn into ghosts. China fights for its very existence. The Americal Infantry Division with supporting troops move toward Kalemyo, Burma. Allies break Guiness Book of Records for most tequila shots downed in Puerta Vallarta, Mexico.

Japanese Amphibious Assault Ruteng:

Amphibious Assault at Ruteng (64,111)

TF 334 troops unloading over beach at Ruteng, 64,111

Japanese ground losses:
115 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost in surf during unload of 1st Sasebo SNLF Coy /2

Brave Chinese Hang Tough at Tienshui!

Ground combat at Tienshui (81,38)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34132 troops, 885 guns, 604 vehicles, Assault Value = 903

Defending force 18149 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 364

Japanese adjusted assault: 602

Allied adjusted defense: 319

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
359 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
859 casualties reported
Squads: 33 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
1st Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th RF Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
17th Chinese Corps
42nd Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
5th Chinese Base Force
Red Chinese Army
5th War Area
15th Chinese Base Force
6th Chinese Base Force
1st Construction Regiment

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/22/2016 6:02:48 PM

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July 23, 1942

A slow day in the war. However, of significance, El Lob has begun his Bombing Campaign against Chungking. Fortunately, today, the bombing results were minor.

Japanese Aircraft Bomb Chungking:

Afternoon Air attack on Chungking, at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/23/2016 1:04:55 AM

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July 24, 1942

American Carrier and Surface Combat Task Forces will leave for Wake Island tomorrow. DDs headed out yesterday to scout the waters around Wake. AOs left yesterday and will station 6 hexes South of Midway. 5 submarines are in route to Wake.

A Bf, Marine Defense Battalion, and PBY-5 Catalina left for Marcus Island two days ago. The Long Island Task Force left for Marcus Island today. 5 Submarines are in route to Marcus.

Japanese Capture Tienshui:

Ground combat at Tienshui (81,38)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36765 troops, 894 guns, 604 vehicles, Assault Value = 979

Defending force 17279 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 299

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 835

Allied adjusted defense: 274

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tienshui !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
510 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6048 casualties reported
Squads: 163 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 290 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (10 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 9

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
4th Garrison Unit
1st Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th RF Gun Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
6th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
42nd Chinese Corps
17th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
Red Chinese Army
5th Chinese Base Force
5th War Area
6th Chinese Base Force
15th Chinese Base Force
1st Construction Regiment

Allied Fighters Shred Japanese Sallys at Chungking!

Morning Air attack on Chungking, at 76,45

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 13

Allied aircraft
I-16-III x 4
I-15-III x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
5th FG/17th FS CAF with I-15-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
5th FG/29th FS CAF with I-15-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
3rd FG/32nd FS CAF with I-15-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
11th FG/41st FS CAF with I-16-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
11th FG/42nd FS CAF with I-16-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
11th FG/43rd FS CAF with I-15-III (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/23/2016 8:09:42 PM

pontiouspilot

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I guess the TF composition is ok. Your scouting and searches are more critical than ever with KB in hiding. The goal of ambushing the Wake invasion sounds good but sometimes those intel reports take ages to come to fruition. I wouldn't hang around too long. Do you have a APD along to set up shop in Marcus? You will want that ASAP since you aren't hauling any other air support along.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 2/23/2016 9:27:52 PM

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I'm a bit confused about why a Catalina is included in an amphibious invasion.

I hope you haven't crated that squadron for unloading at a beach.

Cats have very long range, at least for Allied planes, and can easy hop there from Wake or maybe even Midway.

All you need is some aviation support landed and you can stage them in the next turn. Unloaded over the beaches you would be lucky to get any rebuilt and operational by the next day anyway.

Sending and AVP or a couple of AVDs to disband into the port after you take it is all the aviation support a squad of 12 Cats needs, although a base force is less vulnerable to the ensuing reaction.

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