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This is overly optimistic. Playing Japan I can tell you that at no time in 43-44 did I stress about resources, and I have been very active in multiple theatres, probably over-building defenses and infrustructure, and in the longest game made it into mid-45 before I felt the pinch. That was largely due to strat bombing of the HI. That requires that the Allies make good progress toward being in B-29 range of the HI by late 44 at least, and probably also working on other industry in the DEI and China beforehand.
So there are a lot of "ifs" involved in arguing that this has been too much of a strain on the Japanese position during this game. Many very good Japanese players choose not to have an extended Empire so as not to expend resources/fuel/supply and prefer the more constricted historical Japanese positions for a more solid, flexible and mobile defense.
No idea what John III's defenses are like, but I know there is nothing I've seen in the development of this game that would indicate they "should" be weak. In fact in this mod with it's plethora of tough CD guns (enough for nearly every major and many minor targets) and other additions, the Allied movement forward may involve more of a tithe than usually experienced.
There may be a Joker in the deck that changes this - the 1,000,000 less starting supply that Japan gets to run the war on. Assuming that needs to be made up, a lot of resources need to be hauled (15 for each LI supply point, or 20 + fuel for each 2 HI supply points). That is going to tie up a lot of xAKs.
Being a million down in supply could hurt. I just checked though and it looks like refineries make supply in addition to fuel in the mod. So the ability to not have strat bombing of oil centers makes it easier to make up for reduced supply, and having Magwe gives more oil than Medan does by a third. He's probably already made up that million from the extra there over what Medan would normally produce (Magwe is usually a write off for Japan, bombed to dust by 43).
I also noticed that Soerabaja has 226 oil in RA, whereas in stock it has 190. Some other oil producing areas have an extra point (i.e. 101 oil at Samarinda) for around 5-7 extra oil production. So the Japanese make up ~131,400/year supply deficit just for the 40 extra oil centers they have in the mod, (plus extra HI). Maybe I'm missing something, but this is just looking into it for a few minutes.
Less supply or less supply production would not require more ships to haul anything. Japan has a finite amount of production, which every good Japanese player knows how to max out. There are also a surplus of freighters. Most good players turn off many later arriving xAK production. Resources are plentiful in China, Manchuria and Sakhalin.
Extending the perimeter always uses more resources, supply, fuel and ships. By not doing that he's helping the economy, even with the emphasis in Sumatra, which is by the way right in Japan's wheelhouse. It's right next to the fuel, right next to some industry, with a wealth of supply being produced at Palembang, Soerabaja, Miri and Balikpapan (1,650 supply/day just from the big refineries). Big ports. Big airfields. He doesn't have to haul much of anything but men to do his work there. He thus saves a ton of supply and fuel fighting in Sumatra rather than fighting in So Pac.
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This is a bipolar discussion, not only this AAR specifically, but the AE forum in general. So much is said about starving Japan for oil and crashing the economy and the like. But it seems pretty hard to do. And it seems like the effects are only felt pretty late in the game. So I operate on the assumption that Japan will be strong through '43 and '44 so that I'm going to have to bear down and dig John out and stomp him flat.
Exactly! 
< Message edited by obvert -- 2/25/2016 11:16:54 PM >
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You are like the Neville Chamberline of WITP AE players. Only, poor Neville thought he had bought a peace treaty. I don't think John ever had that notion in mind.
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