Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Dysta

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ORIGINAL: Rudd

Say they had a 2000nm radius, and there is no blue land based aircraft support, how big would the strike package have to be to overwhelm a CVBG on the defense, with say half the air wing available on cap and a Tico and 2-3 Burkes with full typical VLS loadouts (these need to be added in CMANO)

I'm not saying it can't be done, but the cost would be crazy.

Indeed is crazy, but I am trying it right now. A full 7th fleet of:

-- A CVN-73
-- 7 AB2s
-- 2 Ticos
-- 1 Seawolf
-- 1 Virginia
-- 4 regiments of Hornets (half-ready)
-- 1 regiment of Growlers (half-ready)
-- Standard naval AEW and ASW packages
-- All default loadouts for ships
-- All Standard CAP for fighters

Versus

-- 48 DF-21D ASBMs (12 TELs)
-- Set Awareness to Omniscient

I am very certain that four salvo of DF-21Ds will not be enough.

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ORIGINAL: AdmSteebe

If China were to put a 100 A/C in the air over Taiwan or the South China Sea, their would be so much radiation from Chinese radar and ECM suites that the eggs in my refrigerator in California would be cooked in three minutes.

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ORIGINAL: Aivlis

Please don't use Gravity as an indication for anything to do with orbital mechanics; it's a pretty and enjoyable film but has close to no relation to the real world in that regard.

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So, no way to model the loss of satellite networks on military capabilities in Command?

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ORIGINAL: Dysta

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ORIGINAL: AdmSteebe

If China were to put a 100 A/C in the air over Taiwan or the South China Sea, their would be so much radiation from Chinese radar and ECM suites that the eggs in my refrigerator in California would be cooked in three minutes.

Does that mean ARM will becomes more effective and dangerous than other missiles?

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The SLQ-32(V) is the principal EW system carried by major US Navy surface ships, with more than 450 systems produced to date. The (V)1 and (V)2 suites are passive, providing early warning, identification and direction finding capability for simultaneous multiple threats. The (V)3 suite provides an additional active response for simultaneous jamming of multiple threats. The (V)4, an expanded version of the (V)3, is used on aircraft carriers. The (V)5, used on destroyers and frigates, integrates a passive (V)2 with an active jammer called "Sidekick." The SLQ-32(V) system has been in operation around the globe since the 1980s, and ongoing efforts to restore and upgrade older systems will extend the life of the SLQ-32(V) well into the 21st century.

The system achieves EW objectives by providing full threat band frequency coverage, instantaneous azimuth coverage, 100 percent probability of intercept and simultaneous response to multiple threats. It can detect aircraft search and target radars well before they detect the ship. The system's rapid response time ensures that jamming protection is enabled to prevent long range targeting of the ship and to deceive missiles launched against the ship. The system has an on-line library of emitter types for rapid identification.

Raytheon recently teamed with Lockheed Martin to compete for the U.S. Navy's Surface Electron Warfare Improvement Program (SEWIP) Block 3 program. SEWIP Block 3 will upgrade the fleet's capability to electronically attack anti-ship missiles with the AN/SLQ-32(V) electronic warfare system.

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ORIGINAL: Dysta

I mean if they keep their eyes (radars) on them, wouldn't they just 'stab' them with Anti-Radiation missiles? The more they put them on, the more dangerous themselves are.

Maybe ECM could put the trick, but nobody would disregard the incoming threat to evade or shut the radar down, even if ARM can be jammed.

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ORIGINAL: AdmSteebe]
Just think though if the CSG had 200+ SM-3 and SM-6 missiles that the PLAAF would have to put up a pretty good amount of A/C just to defeat the picket ships around the carrier.

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ORIGINAL: SeaQueen

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ORIGINAL: AdmSteebe]
Just think though if the CSG had 200+ SM-3 and SM-6 missiles that the PLAAF would have to put up a pretty good amount of A/C just to defeat the picket ships around the carrier.

I think you're thinking in too limited a way. Sure a CSG has lots of missiles and can probably knock down a raid, but in the process they expend missiles which can't be replaced at sea. What about the next one? And the next one? The whole exercise is a numbers game of how many SAMs do I have versus how many anti-ship missiles do you have? How much risk are you willing to accept that after the first raid you'll be able to survive the next one? If you're not confident enough then even after a raid where you knock all the missiles down, you have to withdraw to someplace more safe. The question is not if they will reach that point, but how quickly. Once ships start emptying their magazines of SM-3s and SM-6s, you need to consider withdrawing the carrier or risk taking a hit.

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ORIGINAL: SeaQueen

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ORIGINAL: AdmSteebe]
Just think though if the CSG had 200+ SM-3 and SM-6 missiles that the PLAAF would have to put up a pretty good amount of A/C just to defeat the picket ships around the carrier.

I think you're thinking in too limited a way. Sure a CSG has lots of missiles and can probably knock down a raid, but in the process they expend missiles which can't be replaced at sea. What about the next one? And the next one?
That's what I had suggested at my original post. PLAAF would have to put a bunch of SEAD and ECM aircraft just to get the 1st wave rolling which would be a huge blip on somebody's radar screen. And then what? Do you send another wave of SEAD aircraft to finish off the screening vessels or do you fire a salvo of Mach 10 ASBM's? Would the CSG be even within range?
The whole exercise is a numbers game of how many SAMs do I have versus how many anti-ship missiles do you have? How much risk are you willing to accept that after the first raid you'll be able to survive the next one? If you're not confident enough then even after a raid where you knock all the missiles down, you have to withdraw to someplace more safe. The question is not if they will reach that point, but how quickly. Once ships start emptying their magazines of SM-3s and SM-6s, you need to consider withdrawing the carrier or risk taking a hit.
I even question the feasibility of attempting an attack onto a CSG in the first place. I ran a simple 100 aircraft attack onto a CSG with a carrier and 5 cruisers and destroyers and it was difficult enough just to get the anti-radiation missiles on target. I was only able to neutralize 1 vessel and had 4 more to deal with. As for speed, hit them hard and fast I believe was once said by a US Navy Admiral in the Pacific. That would work for China too but again it brings up my original question; would an an attacking force send up that many aircraft at once and expect not to be detected?