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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 6:33:26 AM

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Jeff, most of my subs are posted to the south, where John stumbled upon them inbound (thus far they've claimed an AO and two xAK, so they're doing their jobs). I have another line between Ominato and the Kuriles, waiting to pick off ships that retire. More are inbound now. As each patrol returns from the western Pacific to Midway or Pearl, I re-target them, with a hefty number heading to NoPac.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 6:38:08 AM

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A word to newcomers about John III and me: We have a very long history going all the way back to Uncommon Valor days. We've faced each other in UV, WitP, and AE. We are close friends outside the game and remain so to this day. If I dropped into his store tomorrow, we would hug with laughs and tears over all that we've shared and experienced through the years. But inside the game we have the fiercest of rivalries, stoked by long-held grievances. John doesn't like my use of picket ships. I don't like what I perceive to be his taunting and goading. But those grievances exist only within the game. I can only state that for certain on my part, of course, but I am absolutely certain that John wouldn't hock a loogie into my sandwich if I showed up at the LaSalle Subway tomorrow and ordered a sandwich. Some day he and I will meet and it will be like to brothers. But tomorrow, I want every ship in the Japanese navy to spontaneously explode while John quivers at the might of the Allied military and its awesome prowess.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 6:48:31 AM

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John just sent an email to this effect: "[Next turn]should be FULL of fireworks!"

I won't know until tomorrow what he's envisioning. I just hope I haven't miscalculated myself into a carrier clash somehow. I don't think that's possible, though. Maybe he has an invasion force set for Hawaii or San Francisco or Ceylon.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 7:04:02 AM

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Mouseover shows KB has 900 aircraft (that number subject to FOW). Death Star has 720.

Most unlikely that John would seek to give battle anywhere near Kodiak.

Another factor is combat TFs. The Allies have three fast BBs and either for or five slow BBs. I think John has one BB (Musashi) and maybe two CBs (or is it BCs?).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 8:25:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

A word to newcomers about John III and me: We have a very long history going all the way back to Uncommon Valor days. We've faced each other in UV, WitP, and AE. We are close friends outside the game and remain so to this day. If I dropped into his store tomorrow, we would hug with laughs and tears over all that we've shared and experienced through the years. But inside the game we have the fiercest of rivalries, stoked by long-held grievances. John doesn't like my use of picket ships. I don't like what I perceive to be his taunting and goading. But those grievances exist only within the game. I can only state that for certain on my part, of course, but I am absolutely certain that John wouldn't hock a loogie into my sandwich if I showed up at the LaSalle Subway tomorrow and ordered a sandwich. Some day he and I will meet and it will be like to brothers. But tomorrow, I want every ship in the Japanese navy to spontaneously explode while John quivers at the might of the Allied military and its awesome prowess.

95% of the readers of this AAR will never meet or experience John in real life so essentially, the John of the game is the John that we know. I dont think anyone has expressed any opinions about John in real life. It is all in the perspective ;]

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 9:16:05 AM

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hock a loogie into my sandwich

English translation - "goz in my butty"

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 2:37:57 PM

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6/6/43

Operation Circus: KB - and I think its all the fleet carriers and CVLs - approaches Dutch from the SW and unleashes a hail of strike aircraft that hit various (and nearly all low value LST, LCI and xAK [the low value doesn't mean low utility, ofcourse]) targets at Dutch, Akutan and nearby. These are a hodgepodge of ships that remained "behind" for various reasons - there were several LCI TFs that were having trouble unloading due to some vagary in the code. I was trying different routines (cease unloading, then resume unloading, or creating new TFs to shake loose the units they were carrying). I think there may have also been a few TFs that either didn't get orders or declined orders I thought I'd given them to stop unloading, weigh anchor, and get out of Dodge.

John forgot to advance the turn, so I don't yet know how many ships were lost.

I was hoping he'd target Dutch Harbor's port and face the AA, but I don't think that happened. Strikes of shipping at Dutch didn't encounter flak and therefore must've hit ships that were still non-disbanded.

I think I also lost some engineer units, though I have way more of everything than needed (since Hokkaido was a much vaster operation than the Aleutians).

Most of the high-value ships are now either at Kodiak or heading east and then south to West Coast ports. No AKA, APA, or AP were lost in the operation (yet). I don't think I've lost any AK, though I want to see if the one that was left at Dutch made it out.

7th USA Div., originally slated for Sapporo and unneeded in the Aleutians, is nearly back to West Coast.

No carrier action today. Probably I'll station them behind Kodiak tomorrow to see if John moves aggressively. I don't think he will even though KB has all the bearing of Death Star on steroids.

Enemy sweeps targeted Adak, protected by two USAAF squadrons (P40K and P38G) and come out much the worse.

Battle of Sumatra: The Kongos visited Sabang and Japanese LBA hit an incoming xAK supply TF hard. No attacks at Sabang. A probing bombardment on the west road. I bet John will try a probing deliberate attack tomorrow.

Elsewhere: In addition to 7th USA Div. returning to West Coast, Peanut 2 (7th Australian Div.) is now at Pearl Harbor, Penaut 1 (will be on map in a couple of days) and Peanut 4 (USA 40th Div. will reach the Canal Zone in a day or two). So the Allies will have four divisions available for operations in CenPac or SoPac. Nothing is imminent, but the hope is that I can separate Death Star, get a head start, and leave KB behind in the Aluetians, long enough to move. But it will take me ten days or so to get assault shipping from Circus Theater to Pearl and vicinity.

7th Indian Div. is inbound to Eastern US from Aden and will arrive in 20 days. This unit is prepping for Amchitka, which recon shows to be held by 12k troops (again, I'm assuming this may be a mixed brigade). Whether and when such a move takes places is dependent on many circumstances.

But, as you can see, the Allies used four months of movement to "steal a march" on Japan and shift the whole weight of it's mobile armed power across the world. John is now reacting sharply to meet that threat by moving the weight of his own mobility that way. And if things go just right, even as he's moving north, I'll be heading south.

And so, the Allies wrested the Middle Aluetians from John at low coast, seizing three garrisoned bases with big airfields (Adak, Umnak, Cold Bay) plus three other bases that have important potential (Ulak, Dutch Harbor, and Akutan). Despite these big airfields, enemy opposition was slight and the cost has been quite modest.

Circus will enter a new phase now as John seeks to staunch (or perhaps to counterattack) and as I await the right conditions to consolidate the gains, begin building airfields, and convert the bases for offensive air and sea use. But I won't do that while KB on Sterioids is prowling.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 2:49:44 PM

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KB right now would be Death Star on Steroids. He'll also have a smaller, but still potent, carrier group covering Sabang supported by LBA. That dovetails with with the build-out of RA, and was one of my major concerns with Circus that your operation might be a bit to close and thus get clobbered by this souped up samurai sucker punch.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 2:55:55 PM

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Yeah, there's a Mini KB stationed at Georgetown. I have three CVE/CVL there - not enough to tangle with Mini KB nor to try to hammer in supply TFs.

And, yeah, your concerns (and those voiced by others) about KB on Steroids were well founded. Death Star vs. Steroid KB would not be a good thing at the moment. But things are about to change quickly - an RN CV at San Fran will be available in a week, I think two Essex class arive in a month, and I think two CVL do also. And another CVE or two might be on the way.

So maybe in a month Death Star would be sufficient to take on Steroid KB if I could orchestrate it in waters that were far from the nearest decent enemy port and if I prepositioned subs to stand between those enemy flattops and the best ports.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 2:59:33 PM

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So, what if I had proceeded to invade Hokkaido? I think I would now be wishing I hadn't. I'm 99% sure that Hokkaido was wide open. The Allied force was mighty in terms of support troops (especially engineers and AA) and supply. My airforce would have been fine. But I didn't have enough infantry. I would have encountered some problems that would have slowed me down a bit. And there was a risk that I couldn't move fast enough or with enough power to take Hakodate, which would have been fatal. But, above all, the KB would now be in position and Hokkaido would be like a "colony" in deepest space, forced to stand or fall on it's own for many months. I think it would have turned into a costly Sumatra II, and I think the cost to my good transports (AKA, APA, etc.) would have been very high.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 3:04:46 PM

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So, what if I had proceeded to invade Hokkaido? I think I would now be wishing I hadn't. I'm 99% sure that Hokkaido was wide open. The Allied force was mighty in terms of support troops (especially engineers and AA) and supply. My airforce would have been fine. But I didn't have enough infantry. I would have encountered some problems that would have slowed me down a bit. And there was a risk that I couldn't move fast enough or with enough power to take Hakodate, which would have been fatal. But, above all, the KB would now be in position and Hokkaido would be like a "colony" in deepest space, forced to stand or fall on it's own for many months. I think it would have turned into a costly Sumatra II, and I think the cost to my good transports (AKA, APA, etc.) would have been very high.

That is what I thought would happen, good call on moving on to the Aleutians instead.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 4:24:55 PM

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So, what if I had proceeded to invade Hokkaido? I think I would now be wishing I hadn't. I'm 99% sure that Hokkaido was wide open. The Allied force was mighty in terms of support troops (especially engineers and AA) and supply. My airforce would have been fine. But I didn't have enough infantry. I would have encountered some problems that would have slowed me down a bit. And there was a risk that I couldn't move fast enough or with enough power to take Hakodate, which would have been fatal. But, above all, the KB would now be in position and Hokkaido would be like a "colony" in deepest space, forced to stand or fall on it's own for many months. I think it would have turned into a costly Sumatra II, and I think the cost to my good transports (AKA, APA, etc.) would have been very high.

I figured he would have gotten the KB in behind you. Not sure if you would have brought enough air power to hold off the KB and the endless air frames the Japanese have. Which begs the question, why no land based air to fight off the KB?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 4:38:57 PM

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Hokkaido would have been "A bridge too far". It would have worked if that was KB around Sabang. It was a smaller force, with KB waiting like a killer right hook. Do you have the LBA air frames and functional bases to draw him in up north to trade blows?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 4:45:27 PM

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hock a loogie into my sandwich

English translation - "goz in my butty"

Scottish translation - "snotter in my sanny"

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 5:53:30 PM

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...Which begs the question, why no land based air to fight off the KB?

Dutch Harbor and Akutan Island don't have airfields. Umnak's airfield was trashed by Allied bombardments necessary to take the base. Engineers haven't had time to repair.

Adak had 50 USAAF fighters, but the main concentration was/is around the Kodiak complex.

So some of the lagging/least valuable shipping had to remain in and around Dutch Harbor in harm's way. Roughly 15 of these are/were LCI that refused to unload. Some of the others were trying to unload key last-minute support troops.

On the day, I lost 10 LST, 8 LCI, 16 xAK, and one AM. That's a lot of shipping and all shipping is useful, but those are not "valuable" ships. Operation Circus included well over 600 merchants and another 150 or so combat ships. As I mentioned above (and have confirmed), none of the more valuable ships (AK, AP, AKA, APA, LSD, TK, AO, DMS, combat ships or carriers) have been lost. So a toll has been paid, but not prohibitive.

The question is: what does John do tomorrow. Given the Magic 24 Hour Movement Feature, I have to allow for the possibility that he'll send KB at Full Speed 18 hexes to the shadow or Kodiak. He won't, but I have to allow for it. Which means I have to move ships around again. My carriers and combat ships will take station east of Kodiak to protect the host of "valuable" shipping that is making for West Coast (and the next op, hopefully).

I think John is likely to steam closer and pick off more laggards (and I still have six or eight LCI at Adak refusing to unload one of those nice 90 aviation support units - I've managed to get 20 of the support ashore, but these other LCI remain at 96% load and refuse to budge - very odd).

I frankly don't know where John goes from here. Counterinvasion would be time-consuming and problematic for him. Possible but unlikely. Steaming KB strongly east into the Gulf Alaska would be risky. John is so beside himself that this is possible, but again not really likely. And I'm not sure what the other course is - sail around in circles for a few days or weeks until he comes up with another plan.

So I have to make the decision quick as to what I do. Death Star hangs around to keep John honest and then to facilitate the vast number of shipping missions necessary to straighten out my scattered OOB and make sure each new base has the right mix of support, garrison, etc.....

....Or, sprint south and move on the Gilberts and Marshalls now. I can get a jump on John. Probably at least a few days. Maybe more. And I think the Death Star can handle any LBA in those regions. And by the time Death Start reaches Hawaii, I'll have at least two divisions worth of troops ready to move (well, it may take me ten days or two weeks to get APA and AK and the like to Pearl).

I like the possibilities, so that's what I'm going to lean towards.

Meanwhile, NoPac is a cauldron and John is seething. :)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 6:08:54 PM

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I should add this: I have alot of shipping at Kodiak. Most will head east, but a fair number will remain in place. I have 215 fighters there - roughtly 45 Commonwealth Kittyhawks and Hurricanes (all with excellent pilots) and most of the rest P47Ds, P40Ks and one squadron of P38Gs. But there's also one small squadron of early-war fighters set at low altitutde.

Operation Circus included an entire air force prepackaged for Hokkaido. Some of these were fighters aboard CVEs ready to fly in and operate immediately. But roughly 15 AKVs and xAKs were carrying squadrons. Two of these recently made it back to San Fran, unloading the P47s that are now at Kodiak. Some Corsairs and F4Fs are still en route. And one of the big air transport TFs is instead making for Pearl.

John can make lots of thunder and lightning by hitting Kodiak (I don't think he will, but he might). I'm willing to chance it for this reason: If he really blunts KB's air arm against 215 mostly excellent fighter squadrons, it might give me a big advantage to press forward with the next op. KB isn't in the best place to refuel or replace lost aircraft...and if it becomes a sprint to the Gilberts and Marshalls, how does he handle this?

I, for once, may be able to take advantage of interior lines.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 6:59:48 PM

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In addition to enjoying LBA support if he comes near Kodiak, KB's strikes would be split among your amphib TFs in the area. It would be worthwhile to keep the ones with "supply only" embarked as formed TFs to divert his carrier strikes. They should remain in the Kodiak hex though.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 7:27:32 PM

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hock a loogie into my sandwich

English translation - "goz in my butty"

Scottish translation - "snotter in my sanny"

That's where US English is oh so much more precise. Snot and a loogie are the same material, but different locales.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 7:35:20 PM

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Adak is the main prize, IMHO. Good port, good base for air field.

If he comes at you at Kodiak, and you have serious LBA fighter coverage as well as your Death Star, you could well put a hurtin' on him. He is a LONG way from decent support. You have your new flight decks showing up to replace any damage done, and ports close by if you take a beating. What he has now is pretty much what he has. The next 3 days are going to be interesting.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 7:48:44 PM

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This is morphing into the "Loogie" thread while Jocke's AAR has morphed into the "Stomach Flu" thread.

I will be very surprised if John ventures into the Gulf of Alaska. But since there is that slimmest of possibilities, I sent almost all of my "good ships" to the West Coast (not that they aren't totally out of harm's way yet). I am keeping some shipping at Kodiak because I need to handle things on the new islands - supply, moving troops around, inserting troops. I've got fragments here and there, etc. Getting things untangled is going to be a pain.

I don't think he can catch the bulk of that good shipping before it arrives at Prince Rupert, which is now a huge port and airfield with plenty of fighters proximate. And, yes, I would give battle to KB if John gets so far away from home that's he's reckless.

But surely he won't be that reckless???

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 7:51:01 PM

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I, for once, may be able to take advantage of interior lines.

I applaud audacity, but getting your gaggle to safety should be paramount IMO. You get a lot of ships, but this was a fairly big hit.

As far as racing to the Marshalls/Gilberts it's a great idea IF you have the troops on the WC prepped. Those are auto-shock islands for the most part. Even 50 prep isn't close to good enough.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 8:03:06 PM

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But surely he won't be that reckless???

I thought we were talking about John

He probably won't, I agree. He will go after everything west of Dutch Harbor with the vengeance of a puppy going after a stuffed toy. I don't know your logistics. Is it possible to have your Death Star smothered by LBA LRCAP & try to sneak in a shot at him?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/23/2016 8:08:40 PM

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Right now all the bases below Kodiak are in various states of disrepair (or nonexistence, in the case of Akutan) except Adak. It's a level five field that's now fully operational with decent (but not abundant) supply. But that's not going to suffice in the near term becasue it's in the shadows of at least four big IJ airfields just to the west.

Only if John ventures near Kodiak or Prince Rupert could my land and naval air combine to hit him. But he might order a port strike against Dutch Harbor, which has the most immense amount of flak ever seen in an AE game (Dutch was my central hub - all ships unloading here and then LST were to parcel units out, but KB arrived before I could get started). If John hits Dutch, he'll sink 25 xAK and LSTs and might loose 200 aircraft to flak. Seriously.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 12:34:26 AM

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I wonder if the stacking limit excess at DH will somehow affect performance of the AA? We know it affects other units' performance.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 2:11:47 AM

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6/7/43

Operation Circus: KB moves north into the Bering Sea. This is a mysterious move to me, but John probably has a good reason. No air attacks of any substance, though dive bombers pick off two empty LCI. And finally, at long last, the LCI at Adak unload that aviation support, giving Adak a decent compliment of about 135.

John swings his new CBs into action as they and a couple of CAs bombard Dutch Harbor to almost no effect. And the bombardments didn't touch the ships in the harbor. I'm still hoping John will order a port strike, unaware of the flak nest.

As you can see from the screenshot, the Allied shipping not at Kodiak is well to the east, some moving to Prince Rupert and others moving to West Coast. There are some ships at Anchorage unprotected, but only xAK.

My carriers will move south a bit. If John keeps the KB up here looking for targets, and if I can steal a march on him to head south, I will. Lots of troops and ships making for San Fran just on the possibility the Allies will attack again.

Battle of Sumatra: Yamato and Two BB Friends bombard Sabang to no effect (except messing up the disabled aircraft left over from last week's ill-advised raid effort). Supply remains at 44k. Lots of enemy air targeted 1st Marine Div. on the west side, again to no effect. The three forts seem to have made the unit immune to attack by air.

SigInt continues the tale of movement to NoPac, but also some confusion on John's part. 116th Div, which went from Sumatra to Darwin, then loaded on ships to head to the Carolines, is now headed for Langsa to march overland to Sabang. When John conquers Sabang, he will explode. It's only taken seven months (and counting) and he's had basically free-reign with no opposition for four months. Fortress Sabang wasn't impregnable, but it's been one tough nut.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 5:30:52 AM

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6/8/43

Operation Circus: KB, still posted NW of Umnak, launched massed attacks at the Allied shipping disbanded at Dutch Harbor. The results were one LST sunk, five or ten xAKs and LSTs damaged, and something like 60 Jills downed by flak. Just a rough guess that this might represent as much as 10% to 15% of KBs dive bomber OOB. I need to do some quick calculations as to whether John can replenish aircraft at his remaining Aleutian bases. My carriers are about to move south. All of this will bear close watching.

The massive AA fire ate an amazing amount of supply, partly because the island is so overloaded I guess. It has 80k troops with a 35k limit. In going through the troops, it's not as bad as I thought, meaning most of the units are "entire" so that the rounding up and bringing together of units won't be as taxing as feared. But I can't begin that until KB is out of here. If Death Star heads south then KB will probably have to follow. Let's see what happens.

IJ subs and aircraft picked off a few more "low value" ships. And subs are now close to West Coast so that naked merchants are vulnerable. One sub is a hex south of Death Star, so I'll sweat that transit tomorrow.

Battle of Sumatra: No bombardments. Bombings continue to focus on 1st Marine Div. No attacks. SigInt reports 4th Div. recently at Soerabaja and then bound for the Carolines, is now heading to Langsa/Sabang. By the time it arrives supply will be gone, in all likelihood, and 10 to 12 divisions will be here. That's a positive way of spinning things. There are negative ways too, of course. And where does John go with his troops once he has Sabang? Supply down to 43k.

An IJN cruiser force sortied and picked off two supply xAK damaged by aircraft a few days back. I have two CA TFs and the CVE TF close by. I wouldn't mind a clash as long as Mini KB isn't present. Right now I think she's at Georgetown.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 5:49:59 AM

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John's largest port in the Aleutians is three. He might have AKE that will allow replenishment of ammo. But I wonder if he can replace aircraft? Paramushiro is a 5, so it's probably not good. He might have to retire to Honshu. As for fuel, he has an AO replenishment TF in theater, but it lost two AOs to subs on the way. So fuel may be an issue for him too.

I haven't pulled the trigger yet on a race to the south, but its an increasingly interesting option.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 6:12:13 AM

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That picture with KB north of the Aleutians shows TKs in the TF. Do you suppose he was fuelling up with AOs there? I know CVs are often reported as TKs too.

AFAIK an AKE can replenish sorties, but not aircraft. I am unsure of the logistics of aircraft replenishment from supply (base size? HQ? Supply minimum?) and I do not think Japan has actual squadrons designed to replenish carriers the way the VRF/VRB squadrons do.

EDIT: PS - if he does have to replenish from a larger base, he does not have to take KB all the way back there, he just needs to be able to fly the squadron there.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 7:39:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

John's largest port in the Aleutians is three. He might have AKE that will allow replenishment of ammo. But I wonder if he can replace aircraft? Paramushiro is a 5, so it's probably not good. He might have to retire to Honshu. As for fuel, he has an AO replenishment TF in theater, but it lost two AOs to subs on the way. So fuel may be an issue for him too.

I haven't pulled the trigger yet on a race to the south, but its an increasingly interesting option.

Assuming it is the same way as in stock, this may help making the right decision (or not)

Manual 16.2

"The air unit is located at a base with an airfield size of 1+ (or 0 if a
float-equipped group and the base is in a coastal hex) and the base
has over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the base
and the unit will receive damaged planes from the pool (they may
repair before the next orders phase during the repair phase)."

Strictly speaking this is a condition for automated replacements, but it seems to e valid for manual replacement as well.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/24/2016 8:46:09 AM

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If you do try for a battle...would any of your bases be able to launch 4E bombers? Of course they will never hit a carrier...But if they manage to go in first, they can damage a bunch of fighters...

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