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Liberation? - 4/4/2016 1:34:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		my first time through barbarossa and I'm wondering the effects of liberating/not liberating Lithuania as the german player?
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RE: Liberation? - 4/4/2016 6:16:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since there are no Lithuanian units, there is only a minor side effect for Germany.

That is that Lithuania can't become the home country of a German government in exile.

That is a very, very tiny disadvantage for Germany...



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RE: Liberation? - 4/4/2016 6:44:32 PM   
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RE: Liberation? - 4/4/2016 11:46:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should liberate it, otherwise its capital will not be a secondary supply source.

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RE: Liberation? - 4/5/2016 10:37:38 AM   
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RE: Liberation? - 4/5/2016 7:33:52 PM   
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RE: Liberation? - 4/5/2016 10:33:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		very good point. so "liberated" equals "controlled/conquered?"

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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 4:38:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Perelandra67

very good point. so "liberated" equals "controlled/conquered?"

"controlled/aligned" is a better description

Usually when you liberate a country, that country also gets back half its force pool of units but of course Lithuania has none. Unlike initial alignment where you get a choice, you must add these units (if any) to your force pool, but most often if you don't want to build pre-war crappy units, you can scrap any with the right dates on the back in order to avoid doing so.

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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 10:30:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Parelandra, I couldn't say what exactly but I would say there are more differences in the treatment of both cases.

"Liberated" requires having been conquered and controlled first, and be controlled now by the opposite side. So even conceptually the liberated need to be controlled but controlled not always mean liberated. Conquered is opposite to Liberated.

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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 6:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		So if I don't liberate Lithuania as the Axis player, then Lithuania becomes a sovereign state and gets control of its own army (though it has none)? And I could not use its capital as a supply source?

I will research more into the terminology of liberated, aligned and controlled as I am uncertain the effects of each. Obviously Lithuania is not a very important example, but I'm guessing I need to understand the effects of all this for more important situations.

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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 7:03:14 PM   
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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 8:07:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is neither conquered nor liberated. The capital hex is simply controlled by a power on the other side from the power that conquered it. This is the precise reason why the capital does not become a secondary supply source for that power in the event it chooses not to liberate the country.



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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 8:12:09 PM   
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So if I don't liberate Lithuania as the Axis player, then Lithuania becomes a sovereign state and gets control of its own army (though it has none)? And I could not use its capital as a supply source?

I will research more into the terminology of liberated, aligned and controlled as I am uncertain the effects of each. Obviously Lithuania is not a very important example, but I'm guessing I need to understand the effects of all this for more important situations.

No. Lithuania if liberated becomes a sovereign state aligned with its liberator and would get back some of its army in that case if indeed it had an army to begin with.

If you do not liberate some countries when you are in a position to do so, their partisans become "red" partisans (as opposed to the rule book definition of a "green" partisan, nothing to do with politics) that if generated, act against the country that could liberate them. Again though, in the case of Lithuania, it never generates partisans.

There is simply no good reason not to liberate it.

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RE: Liberation? - 4/6/2016 10:17:41 PM   
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