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First tank??? - 4/8/2003 2:33:06 AM   
Voriax

 

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Status: offline 		Guess this should go to the hardware forum but check this link about German Fahrpanzer: http://www.kithobbyist.com/AFVInteriors/fahrpan/fahrpan.html

And no, they weren't V4 revenge weapons or last ditch efforts in '45 :)

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- 4/8/2003 9:14:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what the first tank was, but surely credit has to go to Leonardo Da Vinci for one of the first tank designs:

http://www.twingroves.district96.k12.il.us/renaissance/University/LeonardodaVinci/LeonardoTank.html


http://instruct.westvalley.edu/robinson/HIS4B/Renaissance/da%20Vinci's%20tank.jpg

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- 4/9/2003 8:00:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting looking stuff, though I wouldn't call it a tank as it did not have motive means of its own (engine), but relied on horses - so basically just an armoured horse-carriage.

Horse-drawn vehicles designed for combat are not exactly a new thing - Bohemian Hussites did it already in the 15th century, and there have been other attempts since then, too. I think there is at least one Western movie illustrating an armoured wagon - not sure if that was based on imagination or real-world idea.

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- 4/10/2003 12:28:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first 'tank' I think is the Roman Phalanx :D

Shields all around to protect against arrows, or am I thinking of a different thing?

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- 4/10/2003 1:27:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vetkin posted:

"The first 'tank' I think is the Roman Phalanx"

I think you mean the roman formation called 'the turtle'. Here is a picture of a recreation of this formation with miniatures:

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- 4/10/2003 2:55:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vetkin
[B]The first 'tank' I think is the Roman Phalanx :D

Shields all around to protect against arrows, or am I thinking of a different thing? [/B][/QUOTE]

If we're getting academic here, I'd like to say - it depends in what qualify as a tank. Egyptian chariots used pretty much the same tactics as WWII tanks did.... :p :rolleyes:

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- 4/10/2003 6:34:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Belisarius posted:

"If we're getting academic here, I'd like to say - it depends in what qualify as a tank. Egyptian chariots used pretty much the same tactics as WWII tanks did...."


I bet they'd burn pretty good if you hit one with a flammenwerfer. Say! Would that qualify them as the first M4? :D:D

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- 4/10/2003 4:42:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, I guess to be defined as tank (armoured fighting vehicle) a vehicle should have:

1.) autonomous motivity and off-road/track movement capability
2.) some kind of armament
3.) some kind of armour - at least enough to stop small arms fire

I guess the earliest working thing close to the above specifications were the pre-WWI armoured cars, though they probably had horrible off-road mobility.

As for ancient ideas, the Troyan horse was pretty close to the first APC, though it was a bit lacking in mobility.

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Gee - 4/13/2003 10:07:30 AM   
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I think both the China and or Korea both had some contrapions that would fit into the leonardio style. :confused:

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- 4/13/2003 12:03:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think its been proven that the chariots werent tanks but apcs and were never used in combat as the movies show them being used.

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- 4/13/2003 12:08:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow that turtle looks pretty strong, no rear armor though hehehe

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- 4/14/2003 12:13:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hades
[B]I think its been proven that the chariots werent tanks but apcs and were never used in combat as the movies show them being used. [/B][/QUOTE]

Don't know about the movies, but I've learned that chariots were used by archers? Sweep forward, shoot and turn around for another volley.

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