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Command Areas - 4/9/2016 8:15:10 PM

leethompson

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Does anyone happen to have a map of the command area's
ie India Southern Command, India Eastern Command, Southwest Pacific etc.
I have tried to search the forum/manual without success.
Many thanks
Lee

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RE: Command Areas - 4/9/2016 8:17:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: leethompson

Does anyone happen to have a map of the command area's
ie India Southern Command, India Eastern Command, Southwest Pacific etc.
I have tried to search the forum/manual without success.
Many thanks
Lee

Well matey... that was available/possible to put those areas under complete computer control in War in the Pacific, but not in WitP AE I am afraid.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/9/2016 8:18:32 PM

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There is no such thing as a "map area" for a Command HQ. Many HQs can be moved and their influence accordingly moves with the HQ.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/9/2016 10:06:42 PM

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Right. As El Supremo the player decides which areas will be assigned to which commands, and designates the units assigned to those HQs. As things progress or regress the boundaries and unit assignments will need to be changed to keep up. Organizing your forces is part of the game - just as essential as logistics.

You can search the internet for the historic boundaries of the various HQs, but for the game's purposes you might start with searching the forums for one of those nifty "start-up spreadsheets" that lays out the units that should be moved or reassigned. This will help avoid goof-ups such as paying PP to assign two of three divisional regiments to one HQ and forgetting that when buying out the third regiment (usually far away from the others). You end up having to pay twice to get all three regiments under the same HQ so they can merge to form a division.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/9/2016 10:16:57 PM

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In game you can put North Pacific HQ in Chittagong and Southeast HQ in Adak and each of them will do the same thing. As long as troops are in range they will supply a command benefit.

For reference, because I like to refer to areas by relevant historical commands, here is a Pacific Areas map.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/9/2016 10:35:10 PM

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Obvert, do you have a reference to a later map? About mid 1943? I am interested to see if South Pacific Area changed.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/10/2016 2:26:24 AM

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From reading Eagle against the Sun, the South Pacific area of operations started to shrink in area toward the end of 43. Obviously because most action was in the SouthWestern theater and the Central Pacific area, as the Solomons, and New Guinea in the SW and Tarawa in the central pacific was where the action was....GP

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RE: Command Areas - 4/10/2016 7:51:38 AM

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Some interesting info here http://www.westpoint.edu/history/sitepages/wwii%20asian%20pacific%20theater.aspx sucha s this Nov 1943 map.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/10/2016 1:49:59 PM

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There is no such thing as a "map area" for a Command HQ.� Many HQs can be moved and their influence accordingly moves with the HQ.

Alfred

Locations have command assigned. Now it might mean nothing in game terms.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/11/2016 12:40:40 AM

leethompson

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Wow
Many thanks to all the responses!

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RE: Command Areas - 4/11/2016 3:34:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

There is no such thing as a "map area" for a Command HQ.� Many HQs can be moved and their influence accordingly moves with the HQ.

Alfred

I think that Alfred is correct.... he was not referring to the game specifically.

Not trying to put words into his mouth here but...

The maps provided are nice neat "historical abstractions" or "lines in sand" attributed to specific commands after the war.

Historians - even us hobby historians - like to slot things in neat little boxes and pictures.

The Soloman's campaign and especially the Guadalcanal series of battles have vastly overlapping command structures. They were even moved ( if I recall correctly) during the campaign battles as MacArthur and Nimitz had not been assigned mutually exclusive forces in the command structure.

Essentially it was all hands on deck thrown at the problem; especially in light of FDRs observations / request to shore up the situation with additional troops, Naval support, etc to get the job done and hang in there halting Japanese expansion.

Latter in the war as more and more troops and Naval / Air Force resources filtered into the theater the command lines became more distinct; largely because multiple operations were now possible and capability increased. However earlier in the war if an Air Craft carrier task force operated in "Mac's Back yard" it didn't automatically falll under SWPac command.

Anyway I assume the original poster has what he wants.

It (the Maps) looks to me as if it represents a "post war" analysis of spheres of command. In real life they were hardly so neat. ABDA doesnt seem to appear for example.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/11/2016 3:39:06 PM

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Rather corrected.

I see now the date of 1943 on the second map.

This does not invalidate my argument other than to say this is a planning map with broad strokes of the brush.

Anyway I am certain the OP appreciates it - can use it - for OOB mechanics or whatever purpose they want.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/12/2016 7:13:46 AM

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Somewhere at home I have all command areas sorted out in a nice chart with many dates and notes... If you drop me a PM I can send you those files by mail.

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RE: Command Areas - 4/12/2016 7:46:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

There is no such thing as a "map area" for a Command HQ.� Many HQs can be moved and their influence accordingly moves with the HQ.

Alfred

I think that Alfred is correct.... he was not referring to the game specifically.

Not trying to put words into his mouth here but...

The maps provided are nice neat "historical abstractions" or "lines in sand" attributed to specific commands after the war.

Historians - even us hobby historians - like to slot things in neat little boxes and pictures.

The Soloman's campaign and especially the Guadalcanal series of battles have vastly overlapping command structures. They were even moved ( if I recall correctly) during the campaign battles as MacArthur and Nimitz had not been assigned mutually exclusive forces in the command structure.

Essentially it was all hands on deck thrown at the problem; especially in light of FDRs observations / request to shore up the situation with additional troops, Naval support, etc to get the job done and hang in there halting Japanese expansion.

Latter in the war as more and more troops and Naval / Air Force resources filtered into the theater the command lines became more distinct; largely because multiple operations were now possible and capability increased. However earlier in the war if an Air Craft carrier task force operated in "Mac's Back yard" it didn't automatically falll under SWPac command.

Anyway I assume the original poster has what he wants.

It (the Maps) looks to me as if it represents a "post war" analysis of spheres of command. In real life they were hardly so neat. ABDA doesnt seem to appear for example.

I don't disagree with what you said, the maps show the authorised command structure and not what happened in reality, war doesn't happen in neat boxes. In the case of ABDA it would not appear on either of the two maps as it ceased to exist after the fall of Singapore, Feb 42.

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