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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/15/2016 1:54:30 PM   
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By the numbers in that convoy I would say you whacked a BF. Good Job!
Landing a BF instead of combat troops means he wants to build up air base or port to fight you. This sounds like exactly the kind of battle you wanted, drawing IJ aircraft and ships into the grinder. Subs could be a headache though, if he can rearm them at Truk or Rabaul. Don't think he will risk an AS at Ponape or Kusaie Island.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/15/2016 3:29:13 PM   
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I agree, Poodle. I've felt the same way, though unable to express it as well as you just did.

I look at how this game has developed and where the two sides stand, and I think the Allies are in great position and that this is the finest game that I've played.

Then I read negative comments from Forumites and scratch my head. Yaab says I've played sloppily. John Dillworth, a long-standing forum friend, tells me I seem to be be off my game. Alfred notes the great cost of the defeat in Sumatra and says I'm understimating it. These and others are valued members of the community and entitled to express their opinions. But I still say, "Huh?"

I think part of it may be that certain players read only occasionally or haphazardly or don't have encyclopedic knowledge of such an immense game. So Jeff posts yesteday that one of the problems with Sabang's defense was that there weren't any mines or ACMs. There were, of course, but he'd forgotten: 962 mines at one point protected by two ACM that ripped many a Japanese destroyer. Other players read of the fall of Sabang and the immense cost paid and think it was a mortal blow. And others are reading mainly from John's perspective, take note his excitement and achievements, and perhaps don't have a firm grasp on the overall picture.

John III is currently involved in three games against experienced players. He's taken on Herbie in a Scenario 1 match, meaning its a stock game in which Japan doesn't have any mod-bequeathed advantages. It's early in that game, but already Australia seems to be under siege with John pursuing his usual tactics of terror.

He's facing Michael (NYGiants) in a mod (Between the Storms, I think) that is a bit of a toned down version of Reluctant Admiral. Michael has far more knowledge of game mechanics and how to maximize forces and use HQs than I do. Due to the modifications, he has enhanced fighter pools. (I know he had three P38 squadrons operating in the Aleutians at one time to devastating effect, when I could barely cobble together one in my game due to the lower replacement rate. I was most envious of him.) In that game, John was his usual aggessive-self an conquered Hawaii (I think that's right) and most of SoPac. It's February '43 and Michael is preparing to begin his counterattack from over near map's edge. He's trailing my game by five months. He might way outperform me from this point forward. But he has alot of territory to reclaim.

And in this game? As we've noted before (but its worth stating again), John hasn't gone anywhere beyond the standard areas of conquest you'd expect in any Scenario 1 match. He hasn't invadaded India, Ceylon, the Perth region, the Line Islands, Hawaii, Midway, or the upper Aleutians. Why? He has the most enhanced OOB and fighter pool disparity possible, and he's playing a mod that he designed.

I think the answer is that while he's about as aggressive a player as there is, I was more aggressive than he was.

The Allies invaded the Middle Aluetians in the Spring of '42; Assam in the Summer of '42; the Gilberts in the Summer of '42; threatened to invade the Aluetians and then New Guinea in summer and fall of '42; and then invaded Sumatra in the Autumn of '42. Just when John was ready to expand beyond his deepest penetrations (the New Hebrides), he started reacting to Allied invasions. He's never stopped.

As a result of fighting fire with fire - of being aggressive against a most aggressive player - the Allies have incurred plenty of losses. But these losses were with a purpose and with good effect.

Lowpe (and perhaps Obvert?) make the good point that it can benefit a Japanese player (mainly from an economic standpoint deeper in the game) to play within a tighter perimeter. But this is not the case here. John has not chosen to play within a tighter perimeter. Instead, he's spent the entire game reacting and overreacting to Allied invasions here and there, hither and yon. I don't presume to know whether this has had a material effect on his future economy, but it's certainly not a case where he's sat back and efficiently attended to his defenses.

I knew Sumatra was a lost cause in January '43 unless I committed 100% to focus on its relief. I decided then to follow another course - to take advantage of John's preoccupation with Sumatra to strike elsewhere. By doing so, I knew I was consigning Sumatra to ultimate defeat. But I felt like the sum total would be of decisive benefit to the Allies. So when Sumatra finally fell - months after I most optimistically estimated - it was not the end of the world. By then, the Allies had already used its diversionary nature to very good effect.

I am aware of the costs (well, mostly I think) the Allies have paid to end up where they are. But I look at what they are and I am very, very pleased. The Allies are in fine position to take the war to Japan.

I am not saying that the game is over or that the Allies have won. There is hard fighting to come; fighting that may go against me and erode the excellent beginning. But I do say that Japan has danced to an Allied tune for more than a year, and the Allies are in as good a position as possible to keep playing the tune that the parties will be dancing to.


Nope, you don't need to convince me. Considering the extra naval assets John has, and the enhanced fighters that DaBabes gives the Japanese player, I would rate your position as excellent. I don't think people understand the advantages that the Japanese player is working with in this game.

I begin to sound like a broken record on this but the only real thing the Allies need to do to win is to not piss away their carrier strength in 1942-43. Any other loss can be dealt with. I posted in John's AAR that I rate the game a draw so far. But I like your position all things considered. The real determination will be who controls the sea. So, now it comes down to who loses the eventual carrier battle.

I don't want this to go to your head but the one thing I have learned from your AARs is that an Allied Sir Robin is not needed or called for. Aggressive moves to take key bases, even if you will eventually lose some troops and ships keeps a Japanese player off balance. No matter the date KB can't be everywhere and you only need to have an idea of where KB is before you move.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/15/2016 3:42:06 PM   
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If one thing I would say to Dan is to use your subs to deny John the fuel for his ships. Economics is not a strength of John's even after all my years of mentoring him.

I am rather firm about the Japanese economy and logistics and in all of Johns actions I usually see the price tag.Add to that 1 million (thats alot for Japan) less supplies at the start and a player who isnt good in handling the economy...
I smell desaster in 1944 for Japan. Maybe earlier if he is really sloppy.



Agree 100%. I don't think many players have the understanding of the issues facing the Japanese economy in 1944-45. Probably because so few games last beyond mid 43. Japanese resources are finite and there is a cost to engaging in drawn out land campaigns and slinging your carriers and BBs all over the map. There is a discussion of a land campaign in China. I would welcome this. There is no real lasting strategic effect for the Allies if they lose China. But a severe blow to the Japanese player if he does not take a godly portion. But to start a serious campaign now will just eat up so much more supply. Supply that has already been spent elsewhere.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/15/2016 3:57:50 PM   
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Coming in a little late to the discussion, but regarding the loss of the 18th UK in Sumatra (which can likely not be reformed), I think CR made much better use of the 18th in Sumatra then the British did in Singapore in real life. And they never rebuilt the 18th, either.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/15/2016 5:14:46 PM   
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Interesting to read so many informed opinions regarding where the game stands and where it goes from here. Thanks, everyone, for taking time to share your thoughts.

Roller Coaster: A badly damaged AKE slips under the waves. On the credit side, a moderately damaged APA will reach Pearl Harbor tomorrow. The seriously damaged APA is struggling along with one escort. It won't reach Pearl for at least a week. If she makes it, that will be cause for a private celebration.

The carriers didn't quite reach Pearl overnight, but more BBs did. Pearl's going to be flush with shipping for awhile. Most of the upgrades going on are relatively quick pierside jobs. At least two of the BBs (Resolution and probably South Dakota) will move on to a West Coast port facility for repairs. Washington, North Carolina and Indianapolis are quick jobs that will be handled locally.

CVs Kettle Creek and Olustee will depart Balboa tomorrow.

I have serious supply issues at Jaluit due to overstackign. I think the base will run out before my carriers are ready to head back to cover a large supply, troop withdrawal armada. I suppose the thing to do is to send a modest package of supply in the company of a decent combat TF. It worries me to press good ships forward knowing that John can and probably will turn the region into a hornet's nest sometime soon, but at the same time the Allies have so many airfields that John probably can't get too frisky.

I think that a strong BB TF will bombard Tarawa in the not-too-distant future. John will want payback for yesterday's troop ship debacle.

Circus: Five Fletchers under Arleigh Burke will move from Kodiak to Umnak. This is the first stage in what will be a little op to protect and mine Adak, reinsert stout CAP, and resume hitting Amchitka. An IJ sub picked of an xAK carrying some devices near Kodiak.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/15/2016 5:17:58 PM   
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I think CR made much better use of the 18th in Sumatra then the British did in Singapore in real life. And they never rebuilt the 18th, either.


Sound point. I doubt the British replacement sqads and equipment will be going to waste without that one unit!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 9:59:00 AM   
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Roller Coaster: SBDs sink a damaged IJN sub at Kwajalein. A good USN Fletcher DD TF is inbound from Pearl. The mission is to see if John reacts fiercely. If not, I'll bring in some supply and some xAPs to withdraw some excess units (especially at Jaluit). Kwaj and Roi-Namur have 6k stacking limits and do not seem garrisoned to the teeth - each at or slightly over the limit.

Circus: A Fletcher DD TF will arrive at Umnak tonight. I think an IJN bombardment TF will hit Adak tomorrow. If it doesn't trash the airfield, the Fletchers will move to Adak the following turn. Then I'll load up the airfield and bring in the minelayers. Dutch Harbor, with 35k stacking limit, now has 35.7k troops. So that behind-the-scenes mission is nearly complete (and with essentially no losses taken). So Circus is complete now. From this point forward, I'll post under "NoPac" or perhaps "Carnival" (the pending invasion of Amchitka).

Circus was remarkably successful at low cost. The Allies didn't lose any significant ships during the actual invasions (though Steroid KB did catch the tail end of some amphib TFs, sinking a dozen or a score of xAK and xAP). Later, while defending Adak, trying to hold John's attention and KB in NoPac, a strong surface engagement took place at Adak, with the Allies losing an RN CA, an USN CLAA, and four or five DDs (all but one of them Fletchers). John might've lost a few DDs, and two of his CAs took single torp hits. During this interval, Circus did seem to hold Half KB North's attention, allowing Roller Coaster to proceed unmolested by enemy carriers. Last, but not least, the complicated process of repositioning and retrieving troops went unusually well.

Elsewhere: More than 42k enemy troops at Rangoon under strong CAP (200 fighters). There's a small chance John could be withdrawing troops. More likely that he's inserting them. I'm watching for an offensive in Assam and/or western China. I have six or eight units moving from Ramree to the mainland - a repositioning to avoid having units unnecessarily caught forward. Alfred made some helpful posts that got me to thinking along these lines, for which I'm thankful. I'd already had several combat units moving from Assam to reinforce Cox's Bazaar, which was the weakest link in the chain of coastal forts.

KB: No sign of it. John may be up to an offensive move somewhere. I'll keep watching. But my hunch is that KB is posted close enough to CenPac and NoPac to respond to Allied moves in those two theaters.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 10:42:22 AM   
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Circus Area of Operations.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 10:42:45 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 10:45:06 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 12:46:19 PM   
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Remember that one upon a time, a jap player tried to invade India at 1944...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 4:06:24 PM   
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Not forgotten. :)

That's why I qualify nearly everything I say. I don't expect John to invade western India or eastern Oz, but I'm watching.

But he'll need KB (or Half KB) for certain things. And if Half KB shows up somewhere distant, Death Star become more mobile at less risk.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 4:33:38 PM   
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Roller Coaster: It looks like more enemy ships approaching Abemama. I've configured for an air strike tomorrow if that's the case, with Allied fighters to sweep and escort. What I'm more interested in seeing is if John really wants Abemama that much. If so it says a great deal about his current state of mind and feeling that these waters are still his. IJN subs are now sniffing close to Johnston Island, where the heavily damaged APA is limping to Pearl. Keeping fingers crossed. All other merchants have now returned to Pearl. Fletchers and some merchants are moving from Pearl to the Marshalls as part of the re-supply/reposition effort.

NoPac: An IJN cruiser or two bombarded Adak, doing no damage. I'm holding the Fletchers at Umnak for a few days to allow the minelayers to catch up. A RCT will be pulled from garrison duty at one of the small island bases near Kodiak and shipped to Pearl. It's prepping for Kwajalein.

Australia: Some enemy probing with subs and recon - nothing new, but rather ongoing. An East African division arrives at Adelaide in three to four days and will become a mobile reserve in the short term. Long term, she'll help liberate New Caledonia when John retires his forward garrison.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 7:49:04 PM   
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Circus: Ah, what the heck. I've grown too fond of "Circus" to abandon it now. I'll keep using the name until Carnival actually gets underway, which is likely at least 30 days away, maybe more.

A funny thing happened today in the Circus area of operations. A patrolling USN SC blundered across a naked enemy TF of multiple xAKs and a PB or two. (Or, maybe I should say the Japanese TF blundered across a patrolling SC.) This is a strange place (13 hexes SSW of Umnak) at a strange time for an enemy TF, especially given it's NE heading. Patrols report a TF possibly including a carrier (or multiple carriers) steaming east from Attu (I am skeptical of this report and won't believe it until further information develops). I can't imagine what John is up to. He's recently begun reconnaissance of Cold Bay. Maybe he thinks that base is weakly held and that the Allies aren't defending the Aleuts in strength. If so he's about to discover that there's a hornet's nest there. I just can't see him using KB or Half KB and a massive counter-invasion TF here and now. If he does this too sheds light on his current mindset that these are his waters. It is possible that a massive invasion could bedevil an Allied island or two (here or in the Marshalls), but the Allies are in great strength in both regions and I don't think either is threatened by Japanese offensive capabilities. If John did something like take Cold Bay (unlikely, but not impossible), I'd just ignore it, pound it with bombers, and proceed with Carnival. Cold Bay would be a prison camp.

I'm sure enough of the defense here that I'm proceeding with the removal of the US battalion at one small island and a US RCT from another (these are former dot hexes close to Kodiak; the offer little for John and I can make better uses of those troops). Cold Bay has 150 AV behind three forts. It's the weakest of my major garrisons, but still strong (and with plenty of LBA close by). I don't see any way John can invade Umnak, Adak, Dutch Harbor or Kodiak. Those bases are so strongly held that I doubt that they'd fall to three enemy divisions, at least within a time frame that would be acceptable for John.

I'm weighing weather to insert the Fletcher TF into Adak. Since there might (might) be an enemy carrier force right there, I'm leaning towards leaving the DDs under Umnak's massive fighter umbrella for a turn or two.

I love John's aggressive nature since it makes the game so exciting. Since I'm tied to ports for a month to upgrade ships, I'd like a chance to strike at an offensive-minded John. So let's see what's happening.

Roller Coaster: Bad weather shuts down Tarawa's airfield. There are enemy ships at Abemama, but I'm not sure what they're doing. Perhaps unloading, or perhaps serving to draw strikes into John's LRCAP. I'm willing to accept that arrangement since Abe is closer to Tarawa, which has lots of good fighters. Fletchers are inbound to the Marshalls with supply ships trailing. The badly damaged APA is 10 hexes from Pearl and making 8 knots. Go, boy, go! I have something like 25 APA and six AKA at Pearl, with more in NoPac. The Allied amphibious fleet is waxing strong, though they can evaporate quickly in a hostile environment.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 7:58:05 PM   
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If John is engaging in a full-strength counter invasion in the Mid or Upper Aleutians, Circus is going to live up to its name.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:06:24 PM   
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Making 8 knots, APA Sheridan is just 10 hexes from Pearl.

She was damaged in an air strike at Wotje near the end of the Roller Coaster amphibious operations. This was right in the midst of the Japanese sub reign of terror. I thought there was no way she'd make it home, but she's managed to make it this far.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:14:12 PM   
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Ships at Pearl Harbor.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:20:37 PM   
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The situation at Ulak Island, the westernmost Allied island.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:22:23 PM   
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Adak Island's defenses are so strong that I just can't imagine John would choose to invade.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:23:51 PM   
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Same with Umnak Island.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:26:39 PM   
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Dutch Harbor's garrison is smaller, but the island has a lot of mines and AA guns.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:28:51 PM   
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Cold Bay is no pushover.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:29:38 PM   
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I am guessing that xAK TF is bait to draw out whatever combat ships you have so his carrier force can swoop in and smash something. John hasn't had a "Hulk Smash!" fix in some time and will divert from strategic (and patient) operations to try and make some excitement. Even John wouldn't send an actual loaded TF of xAKs into enemy territory without any escort at all.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:30:37 PM   
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Making 8 knots, APA Sheridan is just 10 hexes from Pearl.

She was damaged in an air strike at Wotje near the end of the Roller Coaster amphibious operations. This was right in the midst of the Japanese sub reign of terror. I thought there was no way she'd make it home, but she's managed to make it this far.

Can't you get her a better ASW escort now?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:35:13 PM   
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Anchorage has 600 AV behind 4 forts. Kodiak has 150 AV behind 8 forts.

Akutan has a weak garrison (81 AV behind 2.73 forts), but is a level one airfield that doesn't offer John much unless he has other bases nearby. Similarly, Atka only has 94 AV behind 2.79 forts, but it doesn't have an airfield. It could be used for some mischief in connection with strongly held Amchitka and forward-deployed KB in an effort to isolate Adak.

Overall assessment: The Allies are strong in the Aleutians. With an all-out commitment, there is a small chance John could create problems in the Circus area of operations. In that event, Death Star would be called on.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 8:36:17 PM   
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Making 8 knots, APA Sheridan is just 10 hexes from Pearl.

She was damaged in an air strike at Wotje near the end of the Roller Coaster amphibious operations. This was right in the midst of the Japanese sub reign of terror. I thought there was no way she'd make it home, but she's managed to make it this far.

Can't you get her a better ASW escort now?


She's following an ASW TF into port, but you're right; I'll send additional ASW to merge with Sheridan's TF.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 9:00:22 PM   
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Do you have any PT boats at your Aluetian bases?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 9:01:54 PM   
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I have some at Kodiak.

Moonlight is high, so I'm not going to build any at the forward bases. My experience with PB boats in moonlight is that they do nothing except boost the enemy's morale.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/16/2016 10:14:27 PM   
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Don't think John would try a counter invasion without the BB's (or at least the CA's) going in at least once. The big boys proably need a tune up after their recent heavy use. you know John better than anyone but this smells like bait

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/17/2016 12:03:37 AM   
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Don't think John would try a counter invasion without the BB's (or at least the CA's) going in at least once. The big boys proably need a tune up after their recent heavy use. you know John better than anyone but this smells like bait
I think it is safe to presume John knows the Allied CVs are at Pearl. If CR makes a bee line for them with his CVs John could possibly slip the KB in behind the Allies with the KB such that any engagement would be outside of LBA support for either side. The wait for the new CVs and CVL is good for CR as it lessens the impulse to react with CVs.

Cleaning up the Japanese TF is a perfect job for the Fletchers in the Aleutians. It is a nice opportunity to gain some experience for the ship crews without much risk.


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