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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/18/2016 9:13:55 PM

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7/26/43

Circus: A stout Japanese bombardment TF (a CB, three CA, a CL, and some DD) arrived at Adak and did battle with Arleigh Burke's Fletchers. It was not a bloodbath, but I think this is one of those cases where the ramifications exceed the sum of the parts. One 13-point (IE, good) IJN DD was sunk outright, a second took "heavy fires/heavy damage" and a third hit a mine and incurred "on fire, heavy damage." The Fletchers suffered minimal damage - no flotation (all still at 0), no more than 2 engine, and two have 10-12 SYS. I think John has lost enough DDs that any battle that doesn't result in at least an equal trade will be worrisome to him. There is also the fact that a relatively small Allied TF stood toe-to-toe with a large Japanese TF and came out ahead.

The Japanese contrinued through the bombardment mission and did moderate damage to the field and minimal damage to aircraft. I'm going to pull back my fighters while the Fletchers retire to Dutch Harbor to rearm. I'll see if they can repair the SYS damage quickly enough to avoid a trip to Kodiak or Prince Rupert.

I missed a chance here to do more damage. The IJN ships lingered close to Adak. Had I loaded up neighboring Ulak with SBDs, they might have struck to good effect. I didn't because I thought John might be targeting that small airfield (he'd been paying alot of attention to it via recon).

Roller Coaster: No visible response yet to the Fletcher TF at Mili. Four merchantmen TFs inbound are 20-25 hexes east and showing no detection.

Battle of Sumatra: Two IJ divisions attacked (shock) the surviving Allied support unit stack west of Sabang. Most of them surrendered. The last few units will undoubtedly follow suit tomorrow, bringing and end to the campaign 8.5 months after D-Day.

One thing that I did not know but JWE confirmed before dropping off the forum was that Allied ships get a bump in gunnery accuracy (1944 I think) at some point to reflect the superiority of the new type fire control systems that the Allied warships starting carrying. With the late fall improvement in torpedoes (10-43?), the significant bump in arriving crew experience 1/44, and this bonus in gunnery, surface combat takes a dramatic turn for the Allies. I noticed this in my last campaign-to the point where I pretty much sought surface combat on any terms with the Japanese.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 4:01:33 AM

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Mr. Sutton: That was bothering me, too, so I decided to do a forum search. I found this thread: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2958671&mpage=3&key=USN%2Cgunnery%2Cboost%2C1943

The money quote from JWE/Symon: "Currently the Allies get a radar kick in late �43. Given how the algorithm works, the kick is across the board: better Detect, better Acc in Nav combat, better Acc in AA combat, just better all around. It�s a wrap-up of Mk-51s, VT fuses, new scopes, all that stuff. It�s an abstraction."

It would be interesting to know the definition of "late '43."

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 9:00:05 AM

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Battle of Sumatra: Two IJ divisions attacked (shock) the surviving Allied support unit stack west of Sabang. Most of them surrendered. The last few units will undoubtedly follow suit tomorrow, bringing and end to the campaign 8.5 months after D-Day.

I'm not sure I understand (but then again I am a complete newb so what do I know

) why your opponent has bothered exterminating these units other than perhaps to harvest the points as they no longer constituted a threat wouldn't he have been better placed assigning a unit or 2 to garrison them close the hex sides and let them rot? He would at least have prevented you being able to purchase them all back to rebuild them (I'm guessing whilst your combat pools might have taken a battering it should be relatively easy to build up allied support units)

Can't wait to see what happens next!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 4:04:22 PM

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7/27/43

Battle of Sumatra: In answer to Powloon's question, John has been taking his time in extinquishing the remnant Allied army in Sumatra. I think he's using them for bomber training purposes. But there's no Allied infantry left there, so little benefit in letting the remnant survive. Too, he's probably concerned that I might be able to use my units for some kind of reconnaissance purpose if he leaves them unattended too long. He didn't attack the remnant today, but he will probably do so any day now.

Circus: A sharp setback in the Aleutians today. An IJN CA TF (the same one that fought yesterday) managed to re-engage my Fletchers, which were out of ammo. I'm not sure if I somehow messed up the retirement orders (I don't think so) or if the enemy cruisers re-engaged before the Fletchers could depart port. As a result, DD Fletcher was sunk and another heavily damaged. Arleigh Burke survived, which is important.

Roller Coaster: Augh, the Magic 24-Hour Movement feature factors in. An IJ TF of unknown composition is sighted NNW of Wotje. This could be a sub or a probing xAK TF...or it could be Steroid KB inbound to the sea lanes between Pearl and the Marshalls to slam shut the LOC. I can't take chances, so a bunch of merchantmen inbound will retire towards Pearl, except for one that's so close to the Marshalls that it makes more sense to send it sprinting in.

The two upgrading Allied carriers are 16 days from being ready. The two new Essex class are on the map and inbound. And the newest CVL is making the final approach to Pearl, perhaps three days out. In about sixteen days, the Allies will be ready to move forward with Operation Thin Man, the invasion of Roi Namur and the complicated mission to bring in additional supply and to retrieve excess units, especially at Jaluit.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 4:36:43 PM

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An IJN CA TF (the same one that fought yesterday) managed to re-engage my Fletchers, which were out of ammo. I'm not sure if I somehow messed up the retirement orders (I don't think so) or if the enemy cruisers re-engaged before the Fletchers could depart port.

That's a head-scratcher. If your DD's were out of ammo, shouldn't the Japanese ships also have empty magazines -- considering they also conducted a bombardment?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 4:47:49 PM

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I have had my SCTFs set at react 6, and when they have fought and run out of ammo they still try to re-engage any enemy TF nearby! So along with the retirement orders, set their react to 0.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 4:54:35 PM

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An IJN CA TF (the same one that fought yesterday) managed to re-engage my Fletchers, which were out of ammo. I'm not sure if I somehow messed up the retirement orders (I don't think so) or if the enemy cruisers re-engaged before the Fletchers could depart port.

That's a head-scratcher. If your DD's were out of ammo, shouldn't the Japanese ships also have empty magazines -- considering they also conducted a bombardment?

The CA almost never use secondary guns for shore bombardment, and usually still have something left to defend themselves even after. Have to see the replay to know more I guess.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 5:13:09 PM

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An IJN CA TF (the same one that fought yesterday) managed to re-engage my Fletchers, which were out of ammo. I'm not sure if I somehow messed up the retirement orders (I don't think so) or if the enemy cruisers re-engaged before the Fletchers could depart port.

That's a head-scratcher. If your DD's were out of ammo, shouldn't the Japanese ships also have empty magazines -- considering they also conducted a bombardment?

The CA almost never use secondary guns for shore bombardment, and usually still have something left to defend themselves even after. Have to see the replay to know more I guess.

Not only their secondary armament - they also keep a few of their main gun armament in the magazines so they can fight a surface battle on the way home.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 5:43:50 PM

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7/28/43

I know that I set the Fletcher TF's home port to Dutch Harbor and clicked for it to retire there, but I'm not positive I cancelled the "Patrol Hex" order. That may be where the glitch came about.

Circus: CA Tone and CL Sakawa hit mines while on a bombardment run to Adak. Tone detaches from the TF while Sakawa continues forward (the mines were laid by DMs, so not big ones). The bombardment (with another CA along) does minimal damage.

Adak and vicinity are interesting places right now. John is asserting local control through a much greater surface combat presence. I'm content for this to continue until the main Allied fleet arrives for the Carnival op (invasion of Amchitka). Both sides are taking some losses since contol isn't absolute, meaning there's friction.

Roller Coaster: That unknown TF north of Wotje vanishes from the radar screen. I don't think it was KB, though I can't be positive. So I've turned some TFs around to continue their journeys to the Marshalls. A couple others will remain further out waiting for some clarity and avoiding a concentration of too many ships in too small an area.

The Gilberts and Marshalls are much like the Aleuts right now. John can probably assert local control if he wants to, as I only have five DDs in theater. But this is a temporary condition since Operation Thin Man will commence in just over two weeks.

The Allies bought to more Canadian battalions today. These are prepping for Kwaj and are now en route from Canada. CVL Princeton is two days out of Pearl. Enemy subs are in the vicinity, so I've bolstered ASW presence.

Operation Thin Man will differ from Circus and Roller Coaster. Those two depended on surprise. Encountering KB would have been disastrous in either instance. With Thin Man, there will be little if any surprise and Death Star should be roughly equivalent to Steroid KB. Either side might lose the ensuing carrier battle, but I'm willing to accept battle. Both sides probably will be, so both will take extra precautions to prepare. In the end, the battle might turn on weather or the luck of the roll or any number of things.

Battle of Sumatra: The Japanese extinquished the last Allied trooops in Sumatra today. So what began November 10, 1942, with landings at Sabang, comes to an end on July 29, 1943. What an immense campaign in was with so many twists and turns. In the end, the Allies suffer great losses of land units.

So, was it worth it?

Yes, I believe it was.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 5:53:29 PM

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Oh by the way, its defence not defense

Defence and defense are different spellings of the same word. Defense is preferred in American English, and defence is preferred in all other main varieties of English, including Australian, British, and Canadian English. The spelling distinction extends to most derivatives of defence/defense, including defences/defenses and defenceless/defenseless. But the words defensive, defensiveness, and defensively have an s everywhere.

Though defense is now the American spelling, it is not American in origin. The OED and Google Books reveal examples of the spelling from as long ago as the 1300s, many centuries before the United States existed. That spelling continued to appear a fraction of the time through the 19th century, when it was taken up by American writers. Today, to the chagrin of those who dislike American English, the spelling is gaining ground throughout the English-speaking world.

Lol I knew that, was just being pedantic hence the

at the end of the post.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 6:01:31 PM

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These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 6:13:34 PM

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These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

Yankee vs Southern

Down 'here' since '92 and I still speak too much Yankee for many.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 6:16:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: Miller

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Miller
Oh by the way, its defence not defense

Defence and defense are different spellings of the same word. Defense is preferred in American English, and defence is preferred in all other main varieties of English, including Australian, British, and Canadian English. The spelling distinction extends to most derivatives of defence/defense, including defences/defenses and defenceless/defenseless. But the words defensive, defensiveness, and defensively have an s everywhere.

Though defense is now the American spelling, it is not American in origin. The OED and Google Books reveal examples of the spelling from as long ago as the 1300s, many centuries before the United States existed. That spelling continued to appear a fraction of the time through the 19th century, when it was taken up by American writers. Today, to the chagrin of those who dislike American English, the spelling is gaining ground throughout the English-speaking world.

Lol I knew that, was just being pedantic hence the at the end of the post.

Readers of my AARs will notice that I have spelled it both ways -- depending upon the spellchecker in the program I used to write the missive in the first place...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 6:20:53 PM

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Many southerners spoke a derivative of Elizabethan English well into the 20th century, especially in rural farm areas and the mountains. (For a tremendous sampling, read Caroline Miller's Lamb in His Bosom, which received the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in the 1930s, though few have heard of it today.)

Today it is still common to hear words like "reckon" and "yonder." Those words seem to strike many northerners as antiquated or backwards, but I like them.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 6:30:49 PM

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Many southerners spoke a derivative of Elizabethan English well into the 20th century, especially in rural farm areas and the mountains. (For a tremendous sampling, read Caroline Miller's Lamb in His Bosom, which received the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in the 1930s, though few have heard of it today.)

Today it is still common to hear words like "reckon" and "yonder." Those words seem to strike many northerners as antiquated or backwards, but I like them.

In North Carolina along the outer banks you get the accent most closely linked to Elizabethan still spoken today. The "Hoi-Toider." (High Tide).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXs9cf2YWwg

I've heard it and it's tough to understand, but great to listen to.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 7:18:10 PM

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7/29/43

Circus: The badly damaged Fletcher DD is still two days from Dutch Harbor. She has 81 FLT damage but a good captain.

Roller Coaster: Beneficial friction today. Two large strike groups from Roi Namur target the Fletchers at Mili (they sortied overnight to check for mines at Jaluit and then return to base, perhaps this triggered the attack). The CAP handled the strikes well, downing 32 Georges and 20+ Judys. The Allies lost eight fighters (five F4Fs). The strikes were large enough to get through, so 20 Judys in each group targeted the Fletchers. I held my breath, and there were no hits. Nine more Judys downed by flak.

A separate, small strike force aimed at the xAK TF inbound to Jaluit, scoring one hit on the escorting DD. But a couple of Hellcats disrupted this strike fairly well.

The xAK TF will reach Jaluit tonight. The Fletchers will come over to provide cover against raiding enemy combat TFs. This is a hot environment, so friction may exact a toll.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 7:27:14 PM

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As most Americans know, southerners have a distinctive accent. I grew up in Miami, which does not have an accent. I always found the southern accent charming and pleasing. Now that I've lived in Georgia for 37 years, I no longer recognize the accent. IE, it just sounds "normal" to me. My family in Miami thinks I've picked up a bit of the southern accent, though I don't realize it conciously.

Ten years ago, me and my family (at the time, we had three children under ten) made our first foray out of the Confederate States on a long camping trip to New England. We found the people charming, especially the small town folks. Even the big city folks were uniformly nice; in part this is because they were struck by my wife's strong southern accent. I remember sitting on the subway in Washington, D.C., with the entire compartment listening to my wife when somebody asked her a question.

After we'd been gone for two weeks, we happened to be hiking to "The Bubbles" in Maine's Acadia National Park. It was late afternoon and we had the mountain to ourselves. Then we heard what seemed to be an older couple talking on their way up the mountain. As they got closer, I told my wife, "Hey, they sound like they're from home."

By "home," I didn't mean Savannah or Macon or Birmingham. Those are southern towns with southern accents, but just a bit different from ours. When the couple reached the top, I asked them where they were from. He replied, "Centre, Alabama."

Yeah, that's home - just 25 miles west of my town. Boy, they sounded good. It was then we realized that we missed home even while enjoying our first trip outside the Confederacy.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 8:04:44 PM

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Hah at least people understand you, I am Swabian and when I speak in my southern "accent" Germans usually dont understand anything.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 9:11:57 PM

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I'm a mountain hillbilly. Most of us can just look at each other, nod our heads in a direction, maybe say a word or two...

Most people think I'm anti social. And I can come across as a bit gruff. I just don't talk a lot.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 9:37:54 PM

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Aussie born and bred, but I spent a lot of time with Iris, Sth Africans & Kiwis.

I can start to talk with an accent in a long conversation or after a few beers.

As for spelling (Defence etc), its spelt (and pronounced) the way I was taught at school, modern changes be damned!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 10:04:24 PM

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Brooklyn born, raised in Queens with zero New York accent. My wife, born in Manhattan, raised in Queens has a heavy Queens accent. He have know each other since we are 16. My kids can't figure out why their father has no accent and their mother does. I can't figure it either. I suppose some people retain accents and some don't

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 10:11:22 PM

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7/30/43

The French phrase "Vive la difference!" says it just about perfectly, no? (forgive the misspellings - I have no idea how the French spell anything).

Circus: The badly damaged Fletcher will reach Dutch Harbor tonight; FLT damage is steady at 80. John's recon persistently targets Cold Bay, Umnak, Adak and Ulak. Still alot of behind-the-scenese movement for the Allies.

Roller Coaster: The xAK TF reaches Jaluit and unloads have it's cargo. But the supply is irrelevant, because it gets eaten nearly immediately due to overstacking. So the crux of the mission is to offload supply and then load some units. Whether John gives me time is the question. Georges and Judys target the TF in modest number and are handily repulsed. John loses 12 Georges and 4 Judys. The Allies lose two Kiwi Kittyhawk 1As. (The entire line of P40 frames seems to perform well in combat due to armor; at least when the pilots are good, which these are.)

The two Essex class carrier are no more than three days from Pearl. I think the two carriers upgrading at Pearl need 12 or 13 more days. And I think the Canadian brigade en route from Victoria should reach Pearl in about 10 days. It will combine with a US RCT to form the core of the Roi-Namur invasion force.

Lots of enemy subs around Pearl; and Allied ASW seems to be handling them well (and the same thing in the Marshalls and the Aleutians).

John probably doesn't know exactly what's coming next, but I think he'll have enough information and instinct to be able to jump on the next op if he wishes to do so. I think he'll wish to do so, but there's a small chance he'll not think Kwaj and Roi-Namur important enough or to his liking. So I think we're about to see a major carrier battle, but it's not a certainty.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 10:24:57 PM

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Here's a link to a video of two young southern ladies singing in an abandoned textile mill in Lindale, Georgia. The young lady on the left is a good friend of our family's - we've known her since before she was born. :)

It's just lovely music with surprisingly good acoustics. And it's nice to see nice young people using their creativity for good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4riDl1qBk

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 10:27:27 PM

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Brooklyn born, raised in Queens with zero New York accent. My wife, born in Manhattan, raised in Queens has a heavy Queens accent. He have know each other since we are 16. My kids can't figure out why their father has no accent and their mother does. I can't figure it either. I suppose some people retain accents and some don't

TV most likely.

Here in the UK the regional differences in speech are too numerous and subtle for me to begin to understand. But Brits at least get em and can pick out the general area someone is from, if not the actual town. I can now hear some of the major city accents, the ones that denote levels of education, and some of the nuances of how accents are used (meaning they're not always the same depending on who is speaking to who).

I got that in NC too though after living in Bynum, an old textile factory town on the Haw river with one general store/post office combined. The language my neighbors spoke to each other was at first different than how they spoke to me, but after a year or so it began to change. Very good to remember the first time being invited for tea at Mary Council's home. A 93 year old neighbor across the road. She finally spoke her mind then, but it was so foreign to my ear I only got every third word!!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/19/2016 11:14:06 PM

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These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

Hmm. According to my Southern Idiom sources, "naked" means "you got no clothes on" and "nekkid" means "you got no clothes on, and you're up to something".

BTW, do people still use "john-brown" as a curse, e. g. "I couldn't get the john-browned thing to work"?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/20/2016 4:26:48 AM

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My accent is middle eastern. Yeah, I would make a perfect newscaster. However, as soon as I get with back with my Georgia cousins, I regress.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/20/2016 7:35:56 AM

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These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

Hmm. According to my Southern Idiom sources, "naked" means "you got no clothes on" and "nekkid" means "you got no clothes on, and you're up to something".

BTW, do people still use "john-brown" as a curse, e. g. "I couldn't get the john-browned thing to work"?

I've heard that distinction between "naked" and "nekkid" before. I like it too. But mostly we just say "nekkid." I guess we have our minds in the gutter.

"I'll be John Brown" remains a common saying. Usually it's not a curse, but rather a mild exclamation. You get dealt the queen of spades in Hearts, you exclaim, "I'll be John Brown." My mother-in-law used that frequently.

Another is "Adam's House Cat," as in "I don't know him from Adam's house cat." (IE, I don't know him at all.)

I still occasionally hear country folks use "you uns," as in: "Are you uns goin' to the store today?" But that's so country that it raises eyebrows among regular country folks.

"Y'all" is still omnipresent in the South. I'm glad too. Folks that use "y'all" correctly are home folks.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/20/2016 8:13:14 AM

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I was on the radio recently (managed to win a kitchen!) and I didn't realise how Northern I sound.

Not Manc, or scouse, but proper Northern!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/20/2016 8:22:45 AM

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I have a distinctive accent as a central British Columbian, a big ole rural one. I've had encounters like the one on the mountain, before.. picking out a local from across a crowded room, and one time, picking up a local on national news before turning around to look at the newscast.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/20/2016 8:23:40 AM

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7/31/43

Circus: DD Abbot, the badly damaged Fletcher, made it to Dutch Harbor. 5th Indian Div. is 78% prepped for Amchitka. It's the backbone of the invasion force - a good unit with 70 experience and 99 morale. I think Amchitka is stoutly defended, but probably not by as much as a division. I do think that Attu still has 7th IJA Div.

Roller Coaster: The xAKs at Jaluit are mostly unloaded, but an iJN combat TF is inbound and close. I've disbanded the TF in port. The Fletcher TF at Mili will come over tonight. And all the SBDs and TFBs are set to naval strike. This could turn into a LRCAP debacle, but I'll chance it this time.

The two Essex class carriers are two days out of Pearl. Quite a few troop TFs are inbound, carrying one US RCT, one Canadian brigade, two Canadian battalions, and some fragments that got separated during the frenzy that was Roller Coaster following so quickly after Circus. Wasp and Lex are 12 days from being repaired.

I'm somewhat surprised John hasn't sent KB raiding into the waters between Pearl and the Aleutians. He does't have eyes on all the traffic between these two locations, but he probably wanted to give it a try. IK wonder if that's what that weird xAK TF was doing a week or so back - testing Allied nav search and picket lines.

Australia: Several units that withdrew from Carnavon (too far forward) have arrived at Geraldton. They'll report inland to Kalgoorlie and other bases to serve in reserve. If John comes for the Perth region, he's almost sure to land at Esperance and Albany.

Assam: Roughly 10 units unneeded at Ramree are beginning the cross to the mainland and are en route to Cox's Bazaar and Chittagong. Theis was to done to avoid having a large army cut off and threatened with destruction, which may be a high priority for John after his success in Sumatra. Alfred got me to thinking along these lines, so I appreciate his input.

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