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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 3:59:46 PM   
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Are those fishing boats?



Is that satire!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 4:03:07 PM   
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When you are confident of similar route paths, you could time a drop off from a single sub of mines. Although the minefield will quickly degrade (hence the importance of timing) it is almost certain the minefield will be totally unknown and thus the enemy will move right into it.

Alfred


I am trying that in Chittagong right now, in fact all my great, but slow, Iboat minelayers are there.

When I have tried it in non base hexes, my ships usually blunder into the minefield. Happened twice that I recall. I am going to try and bushwhack that convoy with surface ships.

I have seen it work very well in other AARs....I should get set up to use it more often I think.

Thanks.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 4:08:11 PM   
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Just acquiring the 6 Chinese bases shown in post #1405 to be still under Allied control is a potential 2690 VP swing and a useful decrease in the VP denominator.  There should be other Chinese bases still to be captured.  Plus this is all without taking into account the VPs from destroying Chinese devices.

Another benefit of capturing the Chinese bases is that the VP multiplier is much better than the modifier on the Indian bases which might be lost.  A better modifier and safe from Allied recapture at least until 1944 makes China a theatre which merits speedy resolution within the context of pushing at the West Coast for an auto victory.

Add the steady harvesting of strategic VPs in Australia from Allied bases which are most unlikely to be garrisoned to any noticeable degree, means the potential for achieving an auto victory remains.  Remember the real secret to a Japanese auto victory is 1944, not 1943.  The point of going for the victory in 1943 is more to cripple the Allied return effort so that the 3:1 ratio achieved in 1943 is safeguarded into 1944.  Of course with excellent play, there is always the possibility of achieving it sometime in 1943.  It is just that achieving it on 1 January 1943 is very difficult.

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I have yet to start really harvesting Chinese VPs yet. I have 12 units totally isolated to one hex just sitting and starving.

The more I think about your 43-44 VP position, the more I like it. So much so, that I am not trying for AV in 43 (although that was Olorin's original primary goal). If it happens, it will happen because the stars aligned.

The 44 AV lets you plan a little more, get better organized, and then hopefully hit with an iron fist and then counterpunch hard thru 43. Sounds like a lot of fun!

I still think there are going to be two huge end of year operations: The West Coast, and whatever Jocke has planned.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 5:25:08 PM   
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Not a single night time encounter. I have some destroyers at risk -- we will see what happens.

I have two squadrons of Kates to continue the destruction here. I stood one down to rest and will most likely alternate them until it is all gone.




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 5:31:56 PM   
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Sure enough some of my destroyer near the New Hebrides end up where they shouldn't be and are savaged by dive-bombers. My bad.

Here, my good. LRCAP Chittagong.

No Allied LRCAP, no sweeps yet.




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 5:41:35 PM   
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Decent day in the air, but I lost 3 destroyers being less than thorough. I should have downed 15 more planes and still had the destroyers.

Argh.




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 6:16:50 PM   
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Are those fishing boats?



Is that satire!

They look like fishing boats.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 6:21:40 PM   
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I think there is a frigate, clipper, sailboat or junk of some type in one of the mods somewhere. The Flying Dutchman perhaps...

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 6:23:01 PM   
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Just acquiring the 6 Chinese bases shown in post #1405 to be still under Allied control is a potential 2690 VP swing and a useful decrease in the VP denominator.  There should be other Chinese bases still to be captured.  Plus this is all without taking into account the VPs from destroying Chinese devices.

Another benefit of capturing the Chinese bases is that the VP multiplier is much better than the modifier on the Indian bases which might be lost.  A better modifier and safe from Allied recapture at least until 1944 makes China a theatre which merits speedy resolution within the context of pushing at the West Coast for an auto victory.

Add the steady harvesting of strategic VPs in Australia from Allied bases which are most unlikely to be garrisoned to any noticeable degree, means the potential for achieving an auto victory remains.  Remember the real secret to a Japanese auto victory is 1944, not 1943.  The point of going for the victory in 1943 is more to cripple the Allied return effort so that the 3:1 ratio achieved in 1943 is safeguarded into 1944.  Of course with excellent play, there is always the possibility of achieving it sometime in 1943.  It is just that achieving it on 1 January 1943 is very difficult.

Alfred


I have yet to start really harvesting Chinese VPs yet. I have 12 units totally isolated to one hex just sitting and starving.

The more I think about your 43-44 VP position, the more I like it. So much so, that I am not trying for AV in 43 (although that was Olorin's original primary goal). If it happens, it will happen because the stars aligned.

The 44 AV lets you plan a little more, get better organized, and then hopefully hit with an iron fist and then counterpunch hard thru 43. Sounds like a lot of fun!

I still think there are going to be two huge end of year operations: The West Coast, and whatever Jocke has planned.



A couple of comments.

1. Some months ago when the West Coast objective was first disclosed Bullwinkle did mention that years ago I had covered it, but in the context of a land raid and early in 1942. That analysis also predated the enhanced flak performance. A late 1942 West Coast operation was also analysed but in the context of a quick follow up to a Japanese capture of Hawaii in the 3rd quarter of 1942 when the destroyed Hawaiian assets would not have had time to reconstitute themselves on the West Coast.

It follows that the specifics which apply here make it very difficult to carry off an immediate auto victory with the forthcoming WC operation. The discussion re the better targets (Portland, San Diego et al - or even going into Canada) well illustrates the problem with the late season operation. But equally it shows the potential crippling possibilities.

As long as Japan remains capable of generating a substantial supply and HI points surplus, it is much easier for Japan to reform shattered/destroyed LCU and air units than it is for the Allies to do likewise. I therefore am not concerned about the real prospect of much which is sent to the West Coast is ultimately lost. The only real risk is if during the reforming period you lack sufficient LCU to keep the Allies in check. That risk is very minimal whilst you still control the seas.

2. As to whatever your opponent has planned. Keep track of where the 4E beasties are located. Most Allied players operate their 4E where their main land campaign focus is or will be. If the beasties are mainly in CONUS then the focus is defending the WC from invasion or to soften up your position there prior to moving to evict you from the area. Likewise if they found mainly in India, or Australia/Noumea.

Alfred

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:05:57 PM   
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A couple of comments.

1. Some months ago when the West Coast objective was first disclosed Bullwinkle did mention that years ago I had covered it, but in the context of a land raid and early in 1942. That analysis also predated the enhanced flak performance. A late 1942 West Coast operation was also analysed but in the context of a quick follow up to a Japanese capture of Hawaii in the 3rd quarter of 1942 when the destroyed Hawaiian assets would not have had time to reconstitute themselves on the West Coast.

It follows that the specifics which apply here make it very difficult to carry off an immediate auto victory with the forthcoming WC operation. The discussion re the better targets (Portland, San Diego et al - or even going into Canada) well illustrates the problem with the late season operation. But equally it shows the potential crippling possibilities.

As long as Japan remains capable of generating a substantial supply and HI points surplus, it is much easier for Japan to reform shattered/destroyed LCU and air units than it is for the Allies to do likewise. I therefore am not concerned about the real prospect of much which is sent to the West Coast is ultimately lost. The only real risk is if during the reforming period you lack sufficient LCU to keep the Allies in check. That risk is very minimal whilst you still control the seas.

2. As to whatever your opponent has planned. Keep track of where the 4E beasties are located. Most Allied players operate their 4E where their main land campaign focus is or will be. If the beasties are mainly in CONUS then the focus is defending the WC from invasion or to soften up your position there prior to moving to evict you from the area. Likewise if they found mainly in India, or Australia/Noumea.

Alfred



I have crafted my invasion with the improved flak in mind.

If I had to do it again, a quicker invasion is better. There are two very nasty restricted Armor units that arrive in Sept or October. My planning will hopefully overcome this, but better they weren't there to begin with, nor the two divisions from Pearl.

I have been keeping track of the 4E, and no surprise they are showing up at Noumea and India. Their numbers are on the decline in Canada.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:17:36 PM   
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Mid November, 1942

25 percent moonlight...

Thunderstorms...

The British come calling....

How will my smaller task forces work out....

Is a donnybrook! Are you ready to rumble!!!!




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:23:08 PM   
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If I had to do it again, a quicker invasion is better.



At this point I'm inclined to agree. An invasion immediately after PH falls has much better chances of success.


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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:26:27 PM   
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Outgunned, outnumbered.

Just the way we like it!




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:33:33 PM   
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Is there no end to the number of Japanese destroyers here?

The night lengthens, the weather worsens, and where oh where are the Japanese Heavy Cruisers?




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:38:47 PM   
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The carnage is incredible....




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:42:29 PM   
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And where are the IJN Cruisers?

Daylight comes...




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:47:56 PM   
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More, we want more!




The Grayson opened up with 50 caliber machine guns...we responded with 12.7 cm hits and then the Long Lance, at very short range!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:51:28 PM   
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What, are those Brits throwing biscuits by now?

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 7:58:59 PM   
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The butcher's bill...




Saved from air attack by bad weather...Chittagong is pounded by heavy bombers and swept by fighters.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:01:55 PM   
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Imagine That!!




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:04:58 PM   
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What, are those Brits throwing biscuits by now?


Pretty much. It took daylight for them to sink two Destroyers...

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:11:38 PM   
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Home of the Phoenix?




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:15:33 PM   
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Hmmm.,




I think those two ships are the Hawkins and escort limping back. The Exeter and Devonshire both went down I think...does that add up to 5 Walrus.

Hawkins took one mine hit.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:22:50 PM   
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Jocke requested I send him the replay...

I wish I could read his AAR tonight!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:27:21 PM   
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For Andav.

Tanks gone Wild!




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 8:30:27 PM   
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And finally, soon these guys will have to retreat I think.




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 9:45:45 PM   
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I have 156 mines, all ship killer type 88s.

What hex should I mine?




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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 9:52:16 PM   
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I have 156 mines, all ship killer type 88s.

What hex should I mine?




Use the F6 hot key to see the hex side codes. White = pass ships & LCU, Blue = pass ships, Green = pass LCU, Red = pass neither, Purple = pass LCU (river-crossing).



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RE: Manila Falls - 4/22/2016 10:22:55 PM   
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Jocke requested I send him the replay...

I wish I could read his AAR tonight!


That is a bad series of engagements for the Brits, who usually do better considering working torps and experienced crews. Well done on your part. Whatever you're doing, keep doing it! Trading DD for CA is not good for the Allied VP ratio!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/23/2016 1:26:22 AM   
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As long as Japan remains capable of generating a substantial supply and HI points surplus, it is much easier for Japan to reform shattered/destroyed LCU and air units than it is for the Allies to do likewise. I therefore am not concerned about the real prospect of much which is sent to the West Coast is ultimately lost.


Finally. Someone that agrees with my thinking, at least out loud. Which is not to say that there isn't a real (and cumulatively heavy) cost to reforming destroyed units. Takes a few months to get them back up to average XP, but that's fine.

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