Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: DWReese

Mike,

I assume that your response message was for me, but I'm not sure.

I attached a link to the Israeli F-16I plane, and it lists all of the various weapons carried. Interestingly, the TALDs were actually created/designed for the USN by the Israelis. Obviously, the TALD and ITALD are weapons that can be carried by the IAF.

The link has some great pictures, as well.

Hopefully, this is what you wanted.

http://israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16/F-16.html

Thanks again,

Doug

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

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ORIGINAL: DWReese

Mike,

I assume that your response message was for me, but I'm not sure.

I attached a link to the Israeli F-16I plane, and it lists all of the various weapons carried. Interestingly, the TALDs were actually created/designed for the USN by the Israelis. Obviously, the TALD and ITALD are weapons that can be carried by the IAF.

The link has some great pictures, as well.

Hopefully, this is what you wanted.

http://israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-16/F-16.html

Thanks again,

Doug

Yes nobody else responded to your initial post so its gotta be you I'm reply too.

Not sure on that picture. Not even sure its a F-16 or F-15. Anyways we'll do some digging and see what we come up with.

This could be awhile.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Yes nobody else responded to your initial post so its gotta be you I'm reply too.

Not sure on that picture. Not even sure its a F-16 or F-15. Anyways we'll do some digging and see what we come up with.

This could be awhile.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: DWReese

Thanks for responding.

I'm asking this question for knowledge, not to be confrontational.

If I am reading your post correctly, it appears that you are stating that the F-16I can not carry the ITALD, is that correct?

If not, what would they carry instead? What platform would Israel use to deploy the ITALD/TALD decoy? I would sincerely like to know. I have never heard that before, but you sound like you are knowledgeable on the topic, so that's why I am asking. The site that I provided indicated that they could. Why would they do that if it wasn't accurate?

If I am reading the history of the TALD correctly, it appears that Israel was, at least, involved in its original development. It would seem odd that the country wouldn't have a platform to deliver it.

Whatever knowledge that you can pass along would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, in advance.

Doug

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Jim we were talking about those same photos above. They're on a F/A-18.

Mike

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Ok found a couple of sources pointing at TALD usage in the early 80's and an AAR from the soviets from RAND. I totally believe it.

Looking here..TALD's etc. come from Delilah (Chukar like drone not CM..that came later) and Samson. One was ground launched and the other air launched.

Still not finding pictures of them loaded. Key might worth adding Samson to Delilah to any search.

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

It looks like everybody is trying to help

Thanks

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Nightwatch

Possibly related, can anyone id the thing from the pictures? (sry for hijacking the thread)

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ORIGINAL: anxiousbob

Maybe this?
http://www.marvingroup.com/images/uploads/documents/SUU-20_Flyer_-_Final_Draft_1.pdf

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ORIGINAL: Nightwatch

Hm i think anxiousbob is correct.

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/suu20.jpg
It has the same holes in the back.

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Different generations of a weapon often receive different names. For example, the first two generations of Rafael's Shafrir air-to-air missile were known as the Shafrir 1 and 2, whereas the next three generations were known as the Python 3, 4 and 5. However, for Delilah missiles this is not the case. Primarily for security reasons, it was decided that all of the missiles in the Delilah family would have the same name, not even appended with a generation number. However, the Delilah which the Air Force received in the nineties is not the same that it receives today, despite the fact that their external appearance is almost identical. The differences between different models of the Delilah are in fact so fundamental that they can be seen as totally different kinds of missile, despite their shared name. Thus, IMI help the IAF distinguish between the different models by marking the production number. For example, the missiles marked "block 30", "block 40" and so on.

For obvious reasons we cannot go into the details of the differences between the various generations of Delilah missile, but we can say that they were adapted for delivery by different aircraft. Whilst the missile was originally fitted for launch by the Phantom, it has since also been fitted to, amongst others, the Super Phantom, the F-16C/D and the F-16I.

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ORIGINAL: DWReese

I don't know anything about the nomenclature of the F-16I with regard to what it can carry, or how many weapons it can carry.

I did do some research that said that Israeli F-16s (it did not specifically say F-16I) carries ATALD decoys, instead of TALDS, or ITALDS. I had never heard of an ATALD. When you Google ATALD, it takes you immediately to the TALD pages. So, it would appear that the ATALDS are obviously similar to TALDS. Perhaps they aren't as good, I don't know. In any case, I don't know how may that an F-16 or an F-16I could carry. Perhaps some of you can advise me on that.

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One other interesting bit about this situation indicates that as of November, 2015, Israel was attempting to acquire MALDs, but had not done so as of that time. The MALDs appear much smaller, but from what I have seen is that they can do the same thing as the ATALDS, or the ITALDS, but are apparently smaller.

I hope that this helps.