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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:09:50 AM

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I was born in 1960, so I reached adulthood during that era. The music of the time really was phenomenal, but other than that it seemed like a pretty turbulent and disturbed period. Political and social unrest was pretty pronounced, leading to the run of assassinations (JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King), the Vietnam War was polarizing and difficult and sad, politics was a mess, society in many ways was a mess. We were in a period of transition, so things were unsettled.

I few years ago (roughly 2010), I took a group of 20-somethings on a long hike in a wilderness area. On the drive home, one of them asked me if I had ever seen a time as unsettled and divisive as this now. I thought back to the Civil War, to the Jim Crowe ere (which included pretty common lynchings), to the '60s with all the protests and assassinations, to the '70s with political turmoil, gas lines, etc.) and I laughed and told them, "These are good times."

To clarify: I've never had it "bad." I've been very fortunate to live in a time and place in which there's has been mostly peace and relative tranquility. I've been mostly free to do what I wanted and to go where I wished with who I want. What's there to complain about? (Other than John's Banzai!, I mean.)

I recently tried to describe the draft to a millennial. I don't recommend it if you have no patience.

I did not know that they still had to register. My nephew was denied his student aid until he registered.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:12:06 AM

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Well you guys will be pleased to here then that they changed their name again to Czechia.

Still the Czech Republic but with a short version too. Like the United States of American, or just America for shot.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:54:00 AM

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Like the United States of American, or just America for shot.

How appropriate! Are you the NRA representative here?

BTW, the rest of the peoples of North and South America are just too polite to point out that they are Americans too ...

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 12:08:06 PM

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Like the United States of American, or just America for shot.

How appropriate! Are you the NRA representative here?

BTW, the rest of the peoples of North and South America are just too polite to point out that they are Americans too ...

Yes, but they only have America in the name of their continent, not the name of their country.

That's the distinction that matters to we Americans.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 1:14:09 PM

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I was in France for business and the guy I was working with asked me if I was American. It had been a really long day and without thinking I relied, "No. I am a Texan." He said, "That makes you an American as well right?" He still teases me about this. He asks me how things are in the "United State of Texas".

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:26:25 PM

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Like the United States of American, or just America for shot.

How appropriate! Are you the NRA representative here?

BTW, the rest of the peoples of North and South America are just too polite to point out that they are Americans too ...

Yes, but they only have America in the name of their continent, not the name of their country.

That's the distinction that matters to we Americans.

I wonder if by the same token we should start calling Mexico the "United States" too? After all, their official name is "Mexican United States" ;p

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:29:29 PM

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And wtih respect to the European Union, we southerners may end up calling all members of the EU "Yankees" since "Union" is synonymous with "Yankee" as a result of our Civil War experiences and terminology.

So, Obvert, GreyJoy, Jocke, witpqs and many other Forumites are Yankees.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:31:57 PM

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John Banzai III is back home but has a very busy day. I don't look for a turn from him until late tonight or tomorrow morning.

I've used his absence to get four good nights sleep in a row, a first since we resumed the game back in December. My nights have been very, very strange. I am incapable of moderating myself when it comes to AE PBEM. It's intoxicating and addicting. Thank goodness I don't have two games going.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:33:02 PM

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Can anyone pinpoint for me the moment in history when Texans became Texans and stopped being Texicans?

I've always wondered about that!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 5:41:06 PM

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I still hear Texican now and then, though it's pretty archaic.

Perhaps the term became popular at the time of the Republic of Texas and began to gradually (very gradually) fade away after Texas became a state?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/5/2016 6:39:33 PM

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Can anyone pinpoint for me the moment in history when Texans became Texans and stopped being Texicans?

The year 2172 AD.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 3:48:19 AM

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Hey, Gents, I just remembered that today is John III's birthday. Not only that, it's his 50th! If you have a chance, drop by his AAR and wish him well.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 4:41:13 AM

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I wonder if by the same token we should start calling Mexico the "United States" too? After all, their official name is "Mexican United States" ;p

And Brazil is officially the United States of Brazil.
But because the US was the first of the new world countries to become rich enough that its citizens could roam the world, most people of the world knew the citizens of the US as "Americans" because they came from "The Americas". It became common usage in time to mean US citizens because most often they were.
And it is commonly said that Canadians do not have a definition of their national identity except to say we are "NOT Americans".

And now back to our regularly scheduled AAR ....

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 5:46:14 AM

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I wonder if by the same token we should start calling Mexico the "United States" too? After all, their official name is "Mexican United States" ;p

And Brazil is officially the United States of Brazil.
But because the US was the first of the new world countries to become rich enough that its citizens could roam the world, most people of the world knew the citizens of the US as "Americans" because they came from "The Americas". It became common usage in time to mean US citizens because most often they were.
And it is commonly said that Canadians do not have a definition of their national identity except to say we are "NOT Americans".
And now back to our regularly scheduled AAR ....

Actually most Canadians I have known and worked with said they certainly are Americans. Down south was not America, it was The States.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 2:59:50 PM

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8/28/43

Thin Man: A remarkably quiet day in the Thin Man AOO. No sub attacks, no aircraft attacks, no sign of Steroid KB or Kongos. Mini KB is nearing Wake as though to pass on its north side. And an IJ FT TF lands part of a naval guard unit on the dot hex north of Wotje, retaking it from the tiny Allied garrison. John can use this base for patrols. I'll re-re-take it later.

The orders for the day for the Allies involve important but non-sexy logistics. Supply is up to 10k at Maloelap (a big improvement) and loading commences to remove the overstacked units there (mainly cadres of 7th USA Div., which is prepping for Ponape - the division will reorganize at Pearl over the next month or so in preparation for it's mission). I hope the APAs carring these cadres will depart Maloelap tonight. It'll probably be at least two more days before they reach Mili, unload, and then reload the troops bound for Kwaj and Roi. I think D-Day could be in five or six days. All this depending on what John does with Steroid KB. If it remains absent, Thin Man proceeds. If it returns, then the Allies probably circle the wagons to guard against the danger and then retire to Pearl when the way seems clear.

Over these next three or four days, I'll attend to supply at Ailinglaplap, Wotje and Tarawa. All of them are good but not flush.

Major ground assault units are prepping for Ponape, Kusaie and Truk. A new divisions arrives at San Fran soon. I'm weighing the prep target. Kaeving, Rabaul, Manus, and Wolei are under consideration.

Circus: John seems to have pulled his naval assets from this theater, so the Allies are moving fuel and supply further forward. Most of the transports needed for Operation Carnival are now in place. All that's missing are the carriers and combat ships. Everything else for the invasion of Amchitka is in place.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 4:58:00 PM

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Seems hard to believe that the whole IJN fleet is casually withdrawing. Wouldn't it be more likely he just pulled back a little bit, hoping to draw your ships farther forward so he could pounce with a big BANZAI?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 6:02:34 PM

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Canoerebel,

This is my first post in your AAR. Over the last several weeks I've read the whole thing. I am now completely current...what a fascinating game you have shared. I have really enjoyed all of the discussions, game related and other OT topics. I have learned a lot, including the proper usage of "Y'all" for example. I have two comments I'd like to share:

a) I truly admire your writing style

b) I appreciate all of the time and effort that you put into this AAR. As one of the newest members of your "Peanut Gallery" I want to express how much I thoroughly enjoy it.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 6:23:27 PM

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Here's hoping the action heat sup again soon.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 6:47:27 PM

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Dave Sindel, thanks for the encouraging post. I'll keep doing what I've been doing as long as John keeps sending turns. :)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 6:52:32 PM

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jwolf (and Hans), I think John pulled back Steroid KB to replenish fuel and perhaps to reorganize in light of Raikuku's damage. I think one of three things will happens next (in order of likelihood):

1. Steroid KB will replenish and immediately return to the Marshalls, so that the staring match will continue.
2. Steroid KB will await Mini KBs arrival (and replenishment) and then combine and return to the Marshalls.
3. Steroid KB will circle around on one flank or another (prbably unlikely, since the Allies have NavSearch in covering the likely vectors (from Midway, Baker, Pago Pago, Suva, etc.).

I don't think John will send KB elsewhere, in effect ceding the Marshalls to the Allies.

If Option 2 goes into effect, the Allies may have a good seven days or more before Mini KB is replenished. In that event, the invasions are on.

If Option 1 goes into effect it is more likely that the Allies will focus on supply distrubtion and troop redistribution before retiring to Pearl without any invasions. At Pearl, Death Star will combine with Bunker Hill and other newly arrived carriers to create an Enhanced Death Star that I think can go toe to toe with Steroid KB.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 7:31:03 PM

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Just being able to hang around and conduct operations right under John's nose is a victory IMHO. He knows where you are and has his forces marshalled, but doesn't have the confidence that he will win if he attacks. When will he have a better chance?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/6/2016 8:22:51 PM

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Seems hard to believe that the whole IJN fleet is casually withdrawing. Wouldn't it be more likely he just pulled back a little bit, hoping to draw your ships farther forward so he could pounce with a big BANZAI?

Probably a refuel for all ships involved. by all appearances the plan was for the steroid KB to react to the mini KB or visa versa. Everybody probably pulled back to refuel and with limited AO's at least one may have had to go to port. I don't think the KB is going anywhere. It has nothing better to do than to wait to HULK-SMASH around the Marshalls. I expect you will see some variation of both KB's in the next couple of days. Whatever John wanted Dan to do Dan apparently didn't do so a slightly different look will be tried.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 1:00:00 AM

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I think JohnDillworth said it perfectly. Whatever John hoped that Dan would do, Dan didn't do it. Probably much gnashing of teeth on John's part.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 10:26:41 AM

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I think JohnDillworth said it perfectly. Whatever John hoped that Dan would do, Dan didn't do it. Probably much gnashing of teeth on John's part.

I think you underestimate his optimism.
I bet its more like The allies didnt dare to come and where hiding in their ports BANZAI !!!!!

John playing War in the Pacific AE

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 1:26:36 PM

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GZ, You are probably right... And that is why we owe a tip of the cap to the Dev's and the Playa's; very entertaining on both sides.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 2:18:23 PM

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When will he have a better chance?

When the USN carriers are not supported by land-based air.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 3:37:23 PM

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Thin Man: Mini KB has pulled into Wake Island, a level one port that probably doesn't have much fuel. No sign of Steroid KB or Kongos or combat TFs. No encounters with enemy subs or strike aircraft.

Most of the heavy lifting has been completed with respect to troop reshuffling. The two combat units (engineers bound for Kwaj, battalion of 138th RCT for Roi) have been retrieved from Jaluit, unloaded at Mili, and are combat loading for Kwaj/Roi aboard APAs. Depending upon how long loading takes at this level one port (a day? two? three?), the amphibious ships will be ready to go. The op includes two paratroop units. The Roi-prepped 'chutes have disembarked at Maloelap and are ready to go. The Kwaj-prepped 'chutes will be ready no longer than the day after tomorrow. All carriers have refueled and essentially all TFs show 100% sorties.

The question is whether Steroid KB will return before or during the operation. I think it will.

What remains of troop retrieval (to relieve overstacking) will be handled by barges (that's good). As for the important supply delivery missions, Jaluit has 19k, Mili has 35k, and Maloelap has 17k. Each of them will get more, but they are beginning to look good. Those still needing additional supply are Wotje (currently 9k and should get a big boost while Kwaj/Roi are being invaded), Ailinglaplap (4.5k - ditto regarding delivery during the Kwaj/Roi op), and Tarawa (13k, but a bit isolated and thus needs to be "flush"). Makin Island goes to level one airfield tomorrow and I'm working mainly on port facilities at other islands now.

D-Day could be as soon as four days off.

Circus: Little sign of enemy activity up here. An LST supply TF is inbound to Adak and close, the first of a series. That might draw John's aggression. Everything seems ship-shape up here now.

Elsewhere: No signs of enemy activity around Oz or Bay of Bengal. A unit prep report in SigInt gives me a notion as to a vector John might have identified for assault in China, so I'm shifting a few units to create depth in that sector. But there haven't been any real signs of movement on his part in China (if it's happening it's to the rear).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 3:47:32 PM

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I hope you are swarming the Wake Island area with subs...the miniKB is such a great target for subs.

I thought the southern area was particularly devoid of yank subs, and that is where a lot of the Japanese forces tended to go...or were last seen.

Then I got to thinking perhaps you are using your subs to funnel the IJN into an area you could pounce on...but that seems to be an area where there is a fair bit of land based Japanese air.

So, I then thought you got tired of clicking and left your subs where they were.

And, finally, now I am just confused.

But having fun reading.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 4:06:55 PM

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Lowpe, I'm not sure exactly what you're saying.

But to try to answer, attached is a screen shot of the Marshalls-area subs. This was discussed in depth three or four or five pages back.

I am not shifting all those subs to try to vector in to Mini KB. I prefer to keep them in the area they're at, because that's the best route of ingress and egress for Steroid KB. This group of subs has already scored one hit on a fleet CV and missed two other shots. John probably has a case of the yips, even if it's only slight and subconscious. But when and if the Allies invade, those subs are where they should be. Any badly damaged IJ ships have but one route of egress - Truk.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/7/2016 4:52:03 PM

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Thin Man: Mini KB has pulled into Wake Island, a level one port that probably doesn't have much fuel. No sign of Steroid KB or Kongos or combat TFs. No encounters with enemy subs or strike aircraft.

He cannot refuel from a Lvl 1 port without docking his ships. The maximum ship size that can dock at a Lvl 1 port is 6,000 tons. He cannot refuel the mini-KB from the port at Wake Island. He must have a TF there to do the refueling, and that TF must contain some valuable targets.

Breaking off a CV TF to sprint east of Wake Island in an attempt to strike the mini-KB or refueling TF might be worth considering if you can do it before the KB can return to the Marshalls and interfere with other aspects of Thin Man.

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