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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/5/2016 4:40:15 PM   
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I also think you have to move a unit into the forest behind the leading German elements to keep the follow on elements from simply moving up. The unit will die, but it buys some time and a possible bad die roll.

I would like that as well. Although that unit will have to be the 'Lyons' militia.

This is how the situation is before any land movement. Not happy at all. But I have to laugh at it.




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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/5/2016 6:03:10 PM   
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Naval

Soviet TRS to Caspian Sea and picks up 1-3 ENG

1 CW naval CP in the North Sea (or whatever to ensure the disorganised units in Belgium are not out of supply ever – until (if) we can evacuate).

Rail

Soviet 6-6MECH to Tehran

Movement

Soviet/ChiComm Mongolian CAV to the city
3-3 to east of Tehran
5-3 to 75,76
2-5 to Bandar Shapur
3-4 CAV takes Eastern Poland (after Pole moves)
LanChow MIL to west of Tianshui

China – see picture

CW Polish 6-3 southeast of Warsaw
6-5MOT southwest of Paris
4-3IND to Port Said

French 5-3 to Bone
French in the south all stay put
North - see picture. The only question in my mind is, having put extra units in France/Belgium are we going for broke? If so then no reason not to put the 6-5MOT southwest of Paris (ignore placement in the picture) to try and delay the city's fall for one more impulse. If not then put one hex east of St Malo.





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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/5/2016 6:03:38 PM   
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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/5/2016 6:11:18 PM   
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A Storm will come.

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I am sure it will. If we are still in the game by then, I would imagine it will arrive as soon as the US are in the war....which, based on current US Entry throws, will be sometime around 1947....


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/6/2016 6:43:33 AM   
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French in the south all stay put

The main problem in the South is supply. Doing nothing and the mountain corps risk being put out of supply, even in fine weather.

The mountain eventually reaching Toulouse, or secondary Lyons, or at least Marseilles, might have some benefit.

And defending with the MTN in other forward hexes might cause it being out of supply in bad weather.




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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/6/2016 6:51:08 AM   
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North - see picture. The only question in my mind is, having put extra units in France/Belgium are we going for broke? If so then no reason not to put the 6-5MOT southwest of Paris (ignore placement in the picture) to try and delay the city's fall for one more impulse. If not then put one hex east of St Malo.

Going all in was the idea last impulse but we needed bad weather. Without that it was kind of hopeless to stop the Axis advance.

Now the question is whether we throw everything we got into trying the delay of Paris. Or if we save forces to stop a possible conquest of France. Or a Axis advance into Spain before Vichy is created.

The idea with placing the British MOT in Rouen is that it is;
1) A coastal hex with sea supply and defensive shore bombardment.
2) A city so we can rule out a blitz attack.
3) A port so it can be evacuated without the need to move again.

Edit: 4) Moving to Rouen allows for a CW naval next impulse.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/6/2016 7:08:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any thought on if CW should select a combined?

Only purpose, that I see, with a land would be to reorganize a unit in Antwerp (with the ATR).

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/6/2016 7:09:26 AM   
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A Storm will come.

warspite1

I am sure it will. If we are still in the game by then, I would imagine it will arrive as soon as the US are in the war....which, based on current US Entry throws, will be sometime around 1947....


You are always the optimist.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/6/2016 7:49:15 AM   
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French in the south all stay put

The main problem in the South is supply. Doing nothing and the mountain corps risk being put out of supply, even in fine weather.

The mountain eventually reaching Toulouse, or secondary Lyons, or at least Marseilles, might have some benefit.

And defending with the MTN in other forward hexes might cause it being out of supply in bad weather.



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Then I move the MTN northeast of Marseille.

Up to you what you do with the MOT - There is nothing to stop a naval next turn because if you move him to try and save Paris he is dead meat anyway. If not then keep him on the coast.

Let's face it, we are not passing next turn so there is no issue doing a combined. As I see it we have to move the Pole to aid Warsaw so cannot do a naval this impulse.


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/6/2016 9:16:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you move it NE of Marseille the risk is that the IT Mtn will move west and cut you of from reaching the important Toulouse mountain city. But it is nice to defend Marseille too!

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/7/2016 6:11:11 AM   
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If you move it NE of Marseille the risk is that the IT Mtn will move west and cut you of from reaching the important Toulouse mountain city. But it is nice to defend Marseille too!
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Well quite.....


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/7/2016 6:16:59 AM   
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My Dear Prime Minister

I am writing at this difficult time to try and obtain your approval to move the 6-3 Polish unit to southeast of Warsaw. If we do so Warsaw may still fall, but I suspect the Germans, knowing they have time on their hands, will attack south of the capital first. I know it would take a good deal of luck (which we seem bereft of at the moment) but Warsaw could conceivably hold this turn if the weather then turns.

As for the 6-5MOT the obvious thing to do now is to move it southwest of Paris for the same reason as moving the Polish 6-3. This will mean its certain loss. Are you sure you are okay with this rather than trying to get to the mountains in the south via the coastal route?

Please let me know on the Polish question asap so I can pass onto old Smigly-Rydz.

Yours

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/7/2016 6:41:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I fail to see any real gain by placing the 6-3 SE of Warsaw. And I was looking forward in gaining it to beef out the CW ground forces. But I am curious enough to see if I am wrong so you do as you please with it. But then you have to take back the partisan move in Poland. Unfortunately, this means it has no defence at all.

Trying to get the MOT in France to the mountains was never a alternative. It was either sacrificing it to defend France or place it on a harbour to try and evacuate it. Just be aware that it will now be without air cover and there is a risk that its supply will be cut. Disorganized it is just one in defence. Anyway. I wouldn't have sent it to France unless I was prepared for it to be lost, so you do as you see best. I try and make it a habit not to overrule the local commander.

For clarification: This is a go ahead to both suggestions.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/7/2016 6:50:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I notice that Soviet forces are practicing what look like some sort of square-dance in Persia. It might be good exercise for the troops. What do I know?

But I do know that with the fall of France imminent there is a risk that Germany will attack USSR in two turns time. I assume we will soon see where Germany is heading but in the meantime some caution should be considered. It takes a lot of combineds to get Soviet forces in place. Iraq is as easy to capture as Persia. If not easier.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:13:52 AM   
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Soviets
LanChow Warlord to Tianshui
Mongolian to Ulan-Ude
AA to Odessa
2 x AT toward Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk

France
5-3 to 74,33 (if the British have been able to put the Western Med in supply).
5-1 to 55,29
ART and Division to Vichy


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:22:37 AM   
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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:23:18 AM   
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Mine orders (subject to any comments you may have)

Soviets
LanChow Warlord to Tianshui
Mongolian to Ulan-Ude
AA to Odessa
2 x AT toward Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk

France
5-3 to 74,33 (if the British have been able to put the Western Med in supply).
5-1 to 55,29
ART and Division to Vichy


If you do not mind I will do a naval with CW and then send the save to you.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:33:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Mine orders (subject to any comments you may have)

Soviets
LanChow Warlord to Tianshui
Mongolian to Ulan-Ude
AA to Odessa
2 x AT toward Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk

France
5-3 to 74,33 (if the British have been able to put the Western Med in supply).
5-1 to 55,29
ART and Division to Vichy


If you do not mind I will do a naval with CW and then send the save to you.
warspite1

Sounds like a plan - are you okay with the moves? Let me know on China as and when.


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:42:54 AM   
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Sounds like a plan - are you okay with the moves? Let me know on China as and when.

Haven't looked at them yet.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:46:46 AM   
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Sounds like a plan - are you okay with the moves? Let me know on China as and when.

Haven't looked at them yet.
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Its not going to take very long - there are not many units to check .

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 8:53:59 AM   
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Mine orders (subject to any comments you may have)

Soviets
LanChow Warlord to Tianshui
Mongolian to Ulan-Ude
AA to Odessa
2 x AT toward Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk

France
5-3 to 74,33 (if the British have been able to put the Western Med in supply).
5-1 to 55,29
ART and Division to Vichy


The garrison does not reach Paris. If you meant 54,29 then I am ok with that.
Supply will be arranged for Algeria so moving up to the TERR seems like a good option.
43rd Corps (3-3) to Lyons.
The stack in 57,30 to Vichy.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 4:19:12 PM   
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Mine orders (subject to any comments you may have)

Soviets
LanChow Warlord to Tianshui
Mongolian to Ulan-Ude
AA to Odessa
2 x AT toward Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk

France
5-3 to 74,33 (if the British have been able to put the Western Med in supply).
5-1 to 55,29
ART and Division to Vichy


The garrison does not reach Paris. If you meant 54,29 then I am ok with that.
Supply will be arranged for Algeria so moving up to the TERR seems like a good option.
43rd Corps (3-3) to Lyons.
The stack in 57,30 to Vichy.
warspite1

We can't keep being unlucky at sea - I say fight in the West Med!


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 6:21:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who is going to hold toulouse? CW HQA Wawell?!!!!' Or the Frenche? The IT mech can take it during next impulses if the weather is right.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 6:32:05 PM   
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Did you get MWIF to work?

Just curious, what was the issue and what did you do to fix it?

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/8/2016 6:34:44 PM   
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Who is going to hold toulouse? CW HQA Wawell?!!!!' Or the Frenche? The IT mech can take it during next impulses if the weather is right.
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Well given the way the game has gone so far, my money is on the Italian Mech holding Toulouse


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/9/2016 6:17:32 PM   
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Who is going to hold toulouse? CW HQA Wawell?!!!!' Or the Frenche? The IT mech can take it during next impulses if the weather is right.
warspite1

Well given the way the game has gone so far, my money is on the Italian Mech holding Toulouse

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I was clearly being optimistic - we didn't even get that far....


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/9/2016 7:00:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think the Axis has been lucky with the dicerolls so far. I think you would have lasted one more turn with more normal outcome.

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/9/2016 8:53:52 PM   
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Who is going to hold toulouse? CW HQA Wawell?!!!!' Or the Frenche? The IT mech can take it during next impulses if the weather is right.
warspite1

Well given the way the game has gone so far, my money is on the Italian Mech holding Toulouse

warspite1

I was clearly being optimistic - we didn't even get that far....


If Germany installs Vichy...

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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/10/2016 6:46:39 AM   
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Who is going to hold toulouse? CW HQA Wawell?!!!!' Or the Frenche? The IT mech can take it during next impulses if the weather is right.
warspite1

Well given the way the game has gone so far, my money is on the Italian Mech holding Toulouse

warspite1

I was clearly being optimistic - we didn't even get that far....


If Germany installs Vichy...
warspite1

True, but I cannot see why they wouldn't. I was convinced the plan is a Mediterranean one from the word go - but now I see no reason why they would not go for the Soviet Union.


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RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans - 5/10/2016 6:52:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now we know that they install a Vichy government so the likelihood that they go for Gibraltar has been reduced.

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