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Japanese aircraft production - 6/4/2016 8:49:31 AM

geoffreyg

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I am just coming into November 1942 as Japan in a PBEM. My economy is in reasonably good state.
My main Army Fighter is the Tojo IIa. The air war in Burma is hotting up. I have two questions.
1) Would players have any rules of thumb as to how many Tojo's I should be producing currently each month?
2) The Oscar IIa comes on board very shortly and I think would make a good Kamikaze in due course.
Should I build for stock for later use and if so what stock level should I aspire to?
Many thanks in advance.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/4/2016 11:24:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: geoffreyg

I am just coming into November 1942 as Japan in a PBEM. My economy is in reasonably good state.
My main Army Fighter is the Tojo IIa. The air war in Burma is hotting up. I have two questions.
1) Would players have any rules of thumb as to how many Tojo's I should be producing currently each month?
2) The Oscar IIa comes on board very shortly and I think would make a good Kamikaze in due course.
Should I build for stock for later use and if so what stock level should I aspire to?
Many thanks in advance.

That Oscar is a hell of an FB. I'd consider training pilots to both escort and naval attack for those. Any old piece of crap can be a kamikaze.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/4/2016 2:46:42 PM

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Search for discussion on kami.

1. I rarely ever use any fighter groups for kami's ... I cannot afford to convert any fighter groups to kami, they are needed as fighters.
2. Don't over produce your mid game fighters or you will not have supply/HI in the end game to produce you final fighters. Tojo is good against P40, is almost useless against P47.

Think of the IJ economy this way: you will only ever get a fixed amount of supply and HI in the game. Spend them wisely. Once gone, they can't be replaced. Spend early, Die late. Thrifty early, Survive maybe.

Unless you are going to AutoVic in '43 .... then you need a different strategy.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/4/2016 11:11:41 PM

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1) Would players have any rules of thumb as to how many Tojo's I should be producing currently each month?

You may be comfortable with different numbers but I generally produce the first Tojo to the tune of ~90/month. I also reduce Oscar production at the same time as replacements will come from units converted to the Tojo. These are not hard fast numbers however. I don't want excess production as these models will be superseded later in the research string. There may be times I'll turn production off in order to keep their numbers low.

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Should I build for stock for later use and if so what stock level should I aspire to?

Don't stock early war fighters. Build for the tempo of losses. All you want is enough.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/5/2016 12:06:15 AM

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Good comments above.

I'll add that the Tojo is your mainstay IJAAF fighter until you have the Frank. Even after the Frank you'll need service 1 fighters, but the Tojo IIa is only useful until around 1/44, and the Tojo IIc drops off a lot against mid-44 competition. By the endgame you'll be using them as escorts if at all.

Kamis need to have some durability against good Allied flak late, especially in recent patches or DBB mods. The Oscars can work, but not as well as more durable planes. They'll always be good for LR escort duty though.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/5/2016 3:35:45 AM

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Drop the Tojo when you have the Ki-100-I. The Ki-100 is almost as good as the Frank, honestly. It should be your primary CAP fighter, with the Frank around also. While you're producing the Tojo, certainly no more than 120 per month but it also depends on your rate of losses. You should have the Ki-100 and Frank sometime in 1943, and the Allies aren't really going to be able to press you much before you have the better planes available.

Forget about Oscars. Their durability is too low to be of use. Note that the Ki-100 (and even Frank) carry the same bombs, if you end up converting fighter groups to kamikazes, and are more likely to reach their target.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/7/2016 5:04:34 PM

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Many thanks for the above views.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/8/2016 11:55:47 AM

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From 1 game vs. AI experience:

1. I was able to make up to 100 Tojo A�s. I now can make up to 120 Tojo C�s. I have enough engines for Helen and Tojo. Go for the C modell asap. Even if TojoA is quite good in early war, even it will have trouble from 43 on. The only Japanese plane able to stand up is the TojoC. It has armor and 4 HMGs, they can shoot down 4E any other figther has huge trouble. Zero M5 will be shot down by B24s

2. Oscars are useful, but only the late ones. Go for the one with the 250kg bombs asap. All other models older are more or less useless except very early war and for longe ranges.

Discl: Vs. a good human player you may need more, i can get away with turining off fighter factories once in a while to stock engines, but guess mostly because the AI does not concentrate their strikes and does less sweeps.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/8/2016 9:08:15 PM

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Drop the Tojo when you have the Ki-100-I. The Ki-100 is almost as good as the Frank, honestly. It should be your primary CAP fighter, with the Frank around also.

I like the Ki-100 a lot, but it's much stronger in DBB mods than in stock. The difference is 20mph, which is huge. In stock it's good, but not nearly as good as Ki-84a, let alone the b or r. It's still important due to the service 1 though.

At 360mph it's great against bombers and escorts, but not so much in my experience against P-47, Corsair or Spit VIII sweeps. Maybe I'll find out something different this time around, but that's a lot of mph to make up against those planes.

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/9/2016 2:07:44 AM

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If you want really good Japanese planes, just use the Editor

Or play a different game

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RE: Japanese aircraft production - 6/9/2016 2:38:02 AM

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Drop the Tojo when you have the Ki-100-I. The Ki-100 is almost as good as the Frank, honestly. It should be your primary CAP fighter, with the Frank around also.

I like the Ki-100 a lot, but it's much stronger in DBB mods than in stock. The difference is 20mph, which is huge. In stock it's good, but not nearly as good as Ki-84a, let alone the b or r. It's still important due to the service 1 though.

At 360mph it's great against bombers and escorts, but not so much in my experience against P-47, Corsair or Spit VIII sweeps. Maybe I'll find out something different this time around, but that's a lot of mph to make up against those planes.

It doesn't do great, no, but in concert with other planes it's done fine against my Allied sweepers. But the Frank can't be the backbone of your CAP, and the Ki-100 is the best SR1 (or even SR2) plane available to flesh out your CAP plans. Hence my endorsement.

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