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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 7:50:36 AM

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We could all start playing guessing games as to what that means in terms of units... in China there's quite a range of units that could be there, but I guess a 'Tank' division plus a lot of admin type units plus fighting units. May be a few artillery as well given the number of guns. This is reference to Chungking.

No intel yet on them?

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 4:06:39 PM

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I used Black Widows in a Downfall scenario game and was disappointed with them. Did yours get any of the Jill kills? Or any other types for that matter.

I don't know what groups got the kills. From reading AARs it seems that the real value of night fighters is disrupting incoming attacks.

Can you just tell me how many kills are showing on the unit screen for the Black Widows? That would tell me whether they are getting any kills at all.
Disruption is OK, but with that big radome up front and very heavy armament I had hopes they could locate and shred any bomber that came near.

2 kills. No kill for either of the two Hellcat groups.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 4:57:37 PM

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BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

I've been bumping up the altitude for recon flights as well. I started at 20k, but have recently bumped that up to 25k. The losses to FLAK seem too high in my opinion. I have no idea on how vulnerable these missions were to FLAK in real life, but it seems like a very dangerous job in this game.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 5:14:54 PM

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BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

I've been bumping up the altitude for recon flights as well. I started at 20k, but have recently bumped that up to 25k. The losses to FLAK seem too high in my opinion. I have no idea on how vulnerable these missions were to FLAK in real life, but it seems like a very dangerous job in this game.

Even at max altitude for Japan, Flak losses of recon planes is super high.

Of course, AA concentrations are probably a lot stronger than in real life. Just guessing, tho.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 5:34:06 PM

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We could all start playing guessing games as to what that means in terms of units... in China there's quite a range of units that could be there, but I guess a 'Tank' division plus a lot of admin type units plus fighting units. May be a few artillery as well given the number of guns. This is reference to Chungking.

No intel yet on them?

Roger

I haven't look at SigInt for those locations. I figure I'll see it as I get to each of them and it's not really to influence what I bring because the main effort is elsewhere.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 5:39:52 PM

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1945 January 23

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Allied forces CAPTURE Chaochow !!!
Allied forces CAPTURE Ichang !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Terempa

Imperial Naval Bombardments

Allied Naval Bombardments:

Our subs are conducting secret activities.

China = action!

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35470 troops, 399 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 1073

Defending force 10480 troops, 121 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 237

Allied adjusted assault: 920

Japanese adjusted defense: 375

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
922 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
607 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th New Chinese Corps
9th Australian Division
II Australian Corps
517th Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion
208th Field Regiment

Defending units:
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd South Seas Det.
26th AA Regiment
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
10th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion

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Ground combat at Chaochow (81,61)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 564 troops, 0 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Defending force 1223 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 37

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 37 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Chaochow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
565 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
708th Amphib Tank Battalion
776th Amphib Tank Battalion

Defending units:
20th RGC Division
30th RGC Division

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Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12417 troops, 161 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 329

Defending force 233 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Allied adjusted assault: 158

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 158 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ichang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
17th Motorised Division
17th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
4th RGC Route Brigade

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Ground combat at 71,50 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5136 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 403

Defending force 3825 troops, 18 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Allied adjusted assault: 56

Japanese adjusted defense: 10

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
116th/B Division
20th Recon Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment

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Changsha is about to fall and our troops are in the same shape as yesterday, so the attack continues tomorrow. The 17th Motorized Division will head right out of Ichang across the river to hold the crossing for the armour while paratroops fly in for security at Ichang. Violated the garrison requirement at Kunming - too busy look at newly captured bases!

Those old E types lack the dash of destroyers.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Nago at 96,64, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.2, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
E No.20, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
E No.42, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
E No.44, Shell hits 12, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Pasadena
CL Mobile, Shell hits 1
DD DeHaven
DD John Hood

Poor visibility due to Rain
Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CL Mobile engages E No.44 at 12,000 yards
CL Pasadena engages E No.44 at 12,000 yards
DD John Hood engages E No.44 at 12,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.2 at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.44 at 8,000 yards
CL Pasadena engages E No.42 at 8,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.20 at 8,000 yards
CL Pasadena engages E No.2 at 8,000 yards
Matsuki M. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 6,000 yards
Massive explosion on E No.20
CL Mobile engages E No.20 at 6,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.42 at 6,000 yards
E No.20 sunk by CL Mobile at 6,000 yards
E No.2 sunk by CL Mobile at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.44 at 5,000 yards
E No.42 sunk by CL Mobile at 5,000 yards
E No.44 sunk by DD John Hood at 5,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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They did not arrive until daylight, which pretty much sealed their fate.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 5:40:17 PM

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 5:40:41 PM

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 5:41:03 PM

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Air losses. Our own sweeps reduced what was either leaking CAP or LRCAP at the point of attack, then the enemy bombers were caught some with, and some without escort.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 6:53:33 PM

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BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

I've been bumping up the altitude for recon flights as well. I started at 20k, but have recently bumped that up to 25k. The losses to FLAK seem too high in my opinion. I have no idea on how vulnerable these missions were to FLAK in real life, but it seems like a very dangerous job in this game.

That may not be unrealistic. I saw a documentary about photo recon (European theatre, mostly British) and apparently being a recon pilot was one of the most dangerous jobs there was in the air force. Both flak and fighters were an issue, as was operational loss (high speed operations = more mechanical problems).
Often, recon was also at the limits of range.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/1/2016 7:00:28 PM

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Thanks to the three of you.

I think I'm going to experiment with 30,000 ft for recon. 25.000 ft has been my standard for a long time and it really did (I think) cut down losses versus 20,000 ft. After I get an idea for how much difference it makes I'll decide whether to switch to 30,000 ft overall or to use 30,000 ft for very dangerous targets. I'll also try and figure what effect it has on the recon results but that might be harder to understand.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/2/2016 7:03:18 AM

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1945 January 24

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Terempa is occupied by the Allies

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Imperial Naval Bombardments
Japanese Ships Bombarding Nago

Allied Naval Bombardments:

Our subs are conducting secret activities. And finished off a damaged destroyer, too.

China.

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34994 troops, 399 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 1016

Defending force 9562 troops, 119 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 164

Allied adjusted assault: 448

Japanese adjusted defense: 249

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1239 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
429 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th New Chinese Corps
9th Australian Division
544th Field Artillery Battalion
II Australian Corps
517th Field Artillery Battalion
208th Field Regiment

Defending units:
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
3rd South Seas Det.
26th AA Regiment
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
10th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion

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Ground combat at 71,50 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14133 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 406

Defending force 3766 troops, 16 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 85

Allied adjusted assault: 188

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 26 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
488 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Allied ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
50th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
116th/B Division
20th Recon Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment

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Ground combat at 75,43 (near Neikiang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36511 troops, 63 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 926

Defending force 947 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 628

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 628 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1032 casualties reported
Squads: 48 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
54th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
11th Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
12th RGC Temp. Division

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The troops at Changsha will rest one day before continuing the attack.

Irked by the lack of naval bombardments, the Emperor took matters into his own hands.

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Night Naval bombardment of Nago at 95,65

Japanese Ships
DD Kashi
DD Sazanami

DD Kashi firing at 11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
DD Sazanami firing at 4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Nago at 95,65, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 1
DD Kashi, Shell hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Ammen
DD Buchanan, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Meade
CL Toungoo, Shell hits 1

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 5,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Meade at 4,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Meade at 4,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Buchanan at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Buchanan engages DD Kashi at 2,000 yards
DD Meade engages DD Kashi at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
DD Buchanan engages DD Kashi at 6,000 yards
DD Meade engages DD Sazanami at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages CL Toungoo at 9,000 yards
DD Meade engages DD Sazanami at 9,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Ammen at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages CL Toungoo at 11,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages DD Ammen at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Kashi at 14,000 yards
DD Ammen engages DD Sazanami at 14,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages DD Ammen at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages DD Meade at 17,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Okinoerabushima at 96,65, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kashi, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Ammen
DD Buchanan, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Meade
CL Toungoo

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 7,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Kondo V. crosses the 'T'
DD Sazanami engages DD Buchanan at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Buchanan at 4,000 yards
DD Buchanan engages DD Sazanami at 4,000 yards
DD Ammen engages DD Kashi at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Sazanami at 7,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Ammen at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Kashi at 9,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages DD Meade at 9,000 yards
DD Kashi engages DD Ammen at 9,000 yards
Kondo V. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 13,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Sazanami at 13,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages DD Ammen at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Sazanami at 17,000 yards
DD Meade engages DD Sazanami at 17,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages DD Ammen at 17,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Kashi at 22,000 yards
CL Toungoo engages DD Sazanami at 22,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Submarine attack near Tokunoshima at 97,64

Japanese Ships
DD Sazanami, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Dace

DD Sazanami is sighted by SS Dace
Massive explosion on DD Sazanami
SS Dace launches 2 torpedoes at DD Sazanami

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Tomorrow the Hokkaido invasion begins loading.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/2/2016 7:03:46 AM

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/2/2016 7:04:18 AM

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/2/2016 7:04:42 AM

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Air losses. We swept Wuchang, where some fighters (~25) were based but only 1 hex from Hangkow where ~125 were based, and Pucheng, which figured to again be the target of LRCAP by fighters from Hangkow. The results were good.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/4/2016 10:13:44 PM

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1945 January 25

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Imperial Naval Bombardments

Allied Naval Bombardments:

Our subs are conducting secret activities.

Only one ground battle in China.

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Ground combat at 71,50 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14039 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 397

Defending force 3195 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 50

Allied adjusted assault: 299

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 299 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3642 casualties reported
Squads: 130 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 194 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (13 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
116th/B Division

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Those were the last of the zombies in that area, where invaders were trapped in the mountains by the Allies' advance to link up. There were many air strikes against our 17th Motorised Division at Ichang as it attempts to cross the river into the forest and hold a path open for the armour. Disruption is now 87%. Low flying strikes were hammered by our 40 mm flak both organic and in the Indian 17th Light AA Rgt, but most strikes bombed from 12,000 ft and 13,000 ft. Base force provided air support is still a number of days out and heavier dedicated flak units would take even longer to get there (none are on the way). A large Frank sweep preceded the strikes so LRCAP is a poor option. We will fly in an air HQ group and see what a little local CAP achieves (a squadron of Spitfire VIII at 5,000 ft and a squadron of P-47D25 at 10,000 ft). There is a unit of >6,000 troops moving to take position in the woods blocking the river crossing and our B-24 groups did not flay against them today, possibly due to weather. At this point, with 28 miles behind them, the 17th needs two or three days to make the crossing and would be ineffective unless our own bombers are able to degrade the opposing unit in similar fashion. Some fighter groups repositioned and added to the sweeps of the Imperial unit, plus some P-38 ground attack groups assigned to the target. Even though Changsha has not yet fallen, Imperial units for days have been moving NE out of Wuchang and Hangkow, some at least greatly increasing defenses at Sinyang, so it seems that our breaking through from Ichang either now or soon is anticipated by DAW HQ.

Changsha will be assaulted again tomorrow. A position on the coast in front of Amoy will be hit as retreated troops are pursued into that city. Pucheng is all but abandoned and we attack there tomorrow while other troops are withdrawing into Chuhsien. In about three more days our Hong Kong force will begin arriving at Nanchang, where they will form up and head straight east.

The Imperial troops moving to bolster defenses at Chengtu might win that race, but our air strikes are effective there and might slow them down just enough for us to stop them. Too close to call. We are ordering additional groups to strike them in hope of tipping the scales.

Tomorrow we attack new zombies in the jungle east of Davao. It's unclear if they have yet been informed of their new status. Also an attack on Bacolad (between Cebu and Iloilo.

Assault forces for Kushiro have begun loading.

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/4/2016 10:14:10 PM

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RE: 1945 January 22 - 6/4/2016 10:14:37 PM

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1945 January 26 - 6/5/2016 8:12:14 PM

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1945 January 26

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Allied forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!
Allied forces CAPTURE Pucheng !!!
Allied forces CAPTURE Bacolod !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Groot Natoena

Imperial Naval Bombardments

Allied Naval Bombardments:

Our subs are conducting secret activities.

Much success in ground battles today.

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34839 troops, 399 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 996

Defending force 8759 troops, 119 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 92

Allied adjusted assault: 1582

Japanese adjusted defense: 227

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3228 casualties reported
Squads: 118 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 111 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 67 (65 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (44 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 6

Allied ground losses:
385 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
6th New Chinese Corps
9th Australian Division
II Australian Corps
517th Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion
208th Field Regiment

Defending units:
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
3rd South Seas Det.
26th AA Regiment
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
10th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion

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Ground combat at 82,61 (near Amoy)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 432 troops, 0 guns, 76 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Defending force 428 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Allied adjusted assault: 37

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 37 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
633 casualties reported
Squads: 37 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (12 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
708th Amphib Tank Battalion

Defending units:
20th RGC Division
30th RGC Division

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Ground combat at Pucheng (86,57)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3131 troops, 17 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 176

Defending force 114 troops, 14 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 167

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 167 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Pucheng !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (15 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
2/5th Armoured Regiment
111th LRP Brigade
48th Light AA Regiment
16th Indian Heavy AA Regiment

Defending units:
8th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion

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Ground combat at 78,57 (near Kukong)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3090 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 91

Defending force 143 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Allied adjusted assault: 94

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 94 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Reserve Division

Defending units:
69th Ind.Infantry Battalion

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Our units at Changsha are pursuing while another unit will arrive tomorrow for garrison duty. The orderly withdrawal of Imperial forces in this area continues, and the Empire has established a defensive position in the woods across the river from Ichang. This in spite of our air strikes against the unit exacting more than 600 casualties. The 17th Motorised Division has stopped its movement only 1 mile short from crossing the river, again up to 87% disruption. The battles above Ichang itself were fierce today.

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Morning Air attack on Ichang , at 83,48

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 14
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
No.615 Sqn RAF with Spitfire VIII (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 7 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
35th FG/39th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 11 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Light AA Regiment, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 18

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 8 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G4M2 Betty bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
35th FG/39th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 65 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 17th Indian Light AA Regiment, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 14

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
35th FG/39th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 93 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Ichang , at 83,48

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
35th FG/39th FS with P-47D25 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 187 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 17th Motorised Division, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 23

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 13000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 17th Motorised Division, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 17th Motorised Division, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 15
Ki-84a Frank x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 12000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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The Spitfire squadron will stand down and the P-47 squadron should but won't. An additional squadron of each type has been brought in to continue the game tomorrow. We flew in 48 air support but tomorrow sport 70 aircraft, so penalties will apply. It will be at least a week before the base force en route arrives, which is currently changing out of strategic movement mode at Changteh. It looks like the Imperial defense at the river crossing will consist of about 2x regiments, so the armoured units heading that way will be greatly superior and should force the crossing with ease.

The Imperial forces are also winning the foot race to Chengtu, but our formations are determined to smash into them from the flank to stop as many as possible from bolstering the city's defenses.

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Ground combat at Bacolod (79,85)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1891 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 107

Defending force 614 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Allied adjusted assault: 40

Japanese adjusted defense: 4

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Bacolod !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
167 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Commando Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
33rd Field Const Co
53rd Const Co

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Ground combat at 80,91 (near Davao)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3552 troops, 52 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 113

Defending force 442 troops, 4 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Allied adjusted assault: 13

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 13 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
113 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
31st Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
46th JNAF AF Unit
8th Tank Regiment
1st Naval Construction Battalion
66th Infantry Rgt /1

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Both attacking units will rest.

China.

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RE: 1945 January 26 - 6/5/2016 8:12:45 PM

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RE: 1945 January 26 - 6/5/2016 8:13:10 PM

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Okinawa.

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RE: 1945 January 26 - 6/5/2016 8:13:30 PM

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Air losses.

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1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 6:04:48 AM

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1945 January 27

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Boac is occupied by the Allies
Allied forces CAPTURE Groot Natoena !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:

Imperial Naval Bombardments

Allied Naval Bombardments:

Our subs are conducting secret activities.

Less ground action in China today.

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Ground combat at 87,56 (near Chuhsien)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1132 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 319

Defending force 17981 troops, 134 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 477

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
46th Indian Brigade
Lushai Brigade
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
27th Indian Field Artillery Battalion
70th Coast AA Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Ind.Infantry Brigade
24th/C Division
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
10th Ind.Infantry Brigade
41st/B Division

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Our troops have become short of ammunition after the bombardment and will stand down until ready for an assault. The Imperials seem to be withdrawing into Chuhsien itself, which will also afford them even better defensive terrain.

There were intense battles in the air over Ichang and both sides took a licking. Our fighters caught some strikes without escort and destroyed them utterly (but the combat reports were more optimistic than the casualty tallies). Another had a strong escort and turned back without bombing after the fighters duked it out. Others were more even. Finally the sweeps came, and slashed right through our tired defenders. All four fighter groups at Ichang are standing down to recover, with only 5 ready aircraft out of a theoretical total of 82.

All dot bases are being taken to cleanse the oceans of ghost ships.

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Ground combat at Groot Natoena (57,83)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 210 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 9

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Groot Natoena !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+)

Assaulting units:
2/1st Ind Coy

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Next attack at Atimonan tomorrow now that reinforcements are on scene.

China.

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 6:05:13 AM

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 6:05:56 AM

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 6:06:25 AM

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 1:53:44 PM

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Msr WitPqs...

A quick thank you for the AAR form and content - a wonderful journey and teaching tool.

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The question that is burning on my mind is: "what's up at Okinawa and Formosa?"

You have largely conquered and held Okinawa for 30 days... Formosa a little less.

I think I and other presumed you had CB's and supplies ready to pour in. You have been extremely proficient in your coordination (understatement).

You possibly have 119 B17's already based on three (3) airstrips with a further 219 B26 on the way? Superfortress's are in production and slowly making their way ?? You are waiting for a pool of P51D as escorts?

Anyway... curious that you have not recently shared a status update on strategic bombing including the potential for fire bombing as the Allies did historically ; day vs night ; high level vs low level.

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 3:32:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Msr WitPqs...

A quick thank you for the AAR form and content - a wonderful journey and teaching tool.

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The question that is burning on my mind is: "what's up at Okinawa and Formosa?"

You have largely conquered and held Okinawa for 30 days... Formosa a little less.

I think I and other presumed you had CB's and supplies ready to pour in. You have been extremely proficient in your coordination (understatement).

You possibly have 119 B17's already based on three (3) airstrips with a further 219 B26 on the way? Superfortress's are in production and slowly making their way ?? You are waiting for a pool of P51D as escorts?

Anyway... curious that you have not recently shared a status update on strategic bombing including the potential for fire bombing as the Allies did historically ; day vs night ; high level vs low level.

Warm regards

Welcome!

If you just read through the AAR that's a lot of stuff all at once. Recall that the strategic bombing I did early was successful right at first, then B-29s were falling out of the sky as the defense caught up. Part of its purpose was to pull the defense back to the Home Islands and ease up the air opposition at the fronts. The falling out of the sky part... not so much!

My recon is pretty good now and I can tell you that fighters on air defense are flooding the skies over the Home Islands. I have to be ready for a coordinated strategic campaign and I am getting ready for that. Bases are still building in the Okinawas and on Formosa. Only the base at Naha can handle B-29s anyway, though.

I have almost no B-17s left, but there will be a flood of them much later in '45. B-24s, including lesser numbers of some British and Australian variants are the supplement to B-29s, and they can fly from the airfields in the Okinawas.

The big thing right now is the invasion of Hokkaido, because that will open another air front against the Home Islands. Obviously it will also allow covered invasions in that area as well.

In this game it usually isn't possible to mount the same strategic bombing campaign as happened IRL. Even if all the little simulation pieces were perfect (and that's impossible), the game situation is never the same. The Japanese player knows what is coming and prepares for it. The pilots over the Home Islands are much better than IRL. We also have a little extra boost to Japanese fighters because we put in the 'Beta' Babes data for the fighters but never changed to the final version of that re-work where the Japanese fighters were toned down a bit.

So I am going to need fighter sweeps, fighter escorts, large numbers of bombers to saturate the defenses, and bases for all of that.

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 6:45:37 PM

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Welcome!

Recall that the strategic bombing I did early was successful right at first,

then B-29s were falling out of the sky as the defense caught up. Part of its purpose was to pull the defense back to the Home Islands and ease up the air opposition at the fronts. The falling out of the sky part... not so much!

..fighters on air defense are flooding the skies over the Home Islands. I have to be ready for a coordinated strategic campaign and I am getting ready for that. Bases are still building in the Okinawas and on Formosa. Only the base at Naha can handle B-29s anyway, though.

I have almost no B-17s left...

...B-24s, including lesser numbers of some British and Australian variants are the supplement to B-29s,

The big thing right now is the invasion of Hokkaido, because that will open another air front against the Home Islands.

So I am going to need fighter sweeps, fighter escorts, large numbers of bombers to saturate the defenses,

Snips - my edits

Thank you W

I have actually quietly 'lurked in' on your every word for a number of Months

<Even before I registered and started posting.>

I do recall the bombing via DEI and the losses all of it leading up to Cahm Ran Bay Invasion.. and your purpose in doing so.

I didn't pick up the losses were that damaging in the pools.

I wondered about your fighter pools as well. I have seen your large number of P47's and to a lesser degree P51 supporting your rolling thunder through Indo-China.

I had somewhat surmised and rationalized that the lack of strong fighter pools was the primary reason holding you back from strat bombing out of Okinawa / Formosa - especially daytime raids.

However what about Night Bombing with the deeper pools of B24's / Wellys / B29's ?

I wondered perhaps holding the islands as long as you have you may "train up and throw at" some night raids against the home island even if less effective (noted in many previous examples and AARs - the less effectiveness noted compared to real life).

Japan's night fighters must be sub-par?? Further Night Fighters seem to "bounce raids" more effectively than damage any aircraft.

Even some low level city fires must have positive impact for the Allies in terms of negative impact on Japan's production and need for supply to repair damage ??

I gather the victory point total is less important for you both (I applaud you both); this is about two great players seeing it through.

So I am curious do you have the pools to throw some random night time raids on the HI and start some camp fires?

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RE: 1945 January 27 - 6/7/2016 9:06:34 PM

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Mine in a different color.

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Welcome!

Recall that the strategic bombing I did early was successful right at first,

then B-29s were falling out of the sky as the defense caught up. Part of its purpose was to pull the defense back to the Home Islands and ease up the air opposition at the fronts. The falling out of the sky part... not so much!

..fighters on air defense are flooding the skies over the Home Islands. I have to be ready for a coordinated strategic campaign and I am getting ready for that. Bases are still building in the Okinawas and on Formosa. Only the base at Naha can handle B-29s anyway, though.

I have almost no B-17s left...

...B-24s, including lesser numbers of some British and Australian variants are the supplement to B-29s,

The big thing right now is the invasion of Hokkaido, because that will open another air front against the Home Islands.

So I am going to need fighter sweeps, fighter escorts, large numbers of bombers to saturate the defenses,

Snips - my edits

Thank you W

I have actually quietly 'lurked in' on your every word for a number of Months

<Even before I registered and started posting.>

I do recall the bombing via DEI and the losses all of it leading up to Cahm Ran Bay Invasion.. and your purpose in doing so.

I didn't pick up the losses were that damaging in the pools.
Without recalling the numbers, losses were very heavy. In fact, even holding back from strategic bombing to use the B-29s in support of the Okinawa invasion depleted the pools and the groups. The groups still haven't recovered, despite the greater monthly production of the next model.

I wondered about your fighter pools as well. I have seen your large number of P47's and to a lesser degree P51 supporting your rolling thunder through Indo-China.
There are probably more P-51D active now than P-47D/D25 active. The P-47 survive better, but the P-51D survive well enough that pilot quality in those groups has climbed, leading to better performance and survival.

I had somewhat surmised and rationalized that the lack of strong fighter pools was the primary reason holding you back from strat bombing out of Okinawa / Formosa - especially daytime raids.
No, it's bomber losses and bases close enough for the fighters to help. Fighter pools are good now. P-51D production is high enough that a number of groups have upgraded to that model and those plus newly arrived P-51D groups can be moved as needed to support strategic bombing. P-38L spares are high enough that I am using P-38L groups as close ground support, which has high losses. I figure to use P-38 (several available models) as escorts while the P-51D and P-47 (as range allows) perform sweeps. Over major targets several hundreds of Imperial fighters are expected to be encountered, so just one horrible day could use up several months of B-29 production. The P-47N production will start in a little over a month and help even more. It is faster than current models and I think has longer range.

However what about Night Bombing with the deeper pools of B24's / Wellys / B29's ?
I plan to use the B-24J and British variants from the Okinawas and from Hokkaido. The Wellingtons are far too fragile will serve where the air to air threat is less.

I wondered perhaps holding the islands as long as you have you may "train up and throw at" some night raids against the home island even if less effective (noted in many previous examples and AARs - the less effectiveness noted compared to real life).
Some B-24J groups are training, but the vast majority are flying strikes (some with a small training percentage ordered) and gaining experience that way. I have a good pool of bomber pilots to crew newly arrived B-29 groups and make up for losses. As needed I raid the B-24 groups and give them newbies to train up.

I do intend to conduct night raids but just haven't done so yet. I'm thinking about trying the cadence: turn 1: sweeps; turn 2: night attack, sweeps, day attack (with escort as available). The bombers will target manpower both day and night to maximize the damage done to all industries. Each operation will be as large as possible. Because the first sweep would give away the target otherwise, I might have to sweep multiple potential targets on the first turn.

Japan's night fighters must be sub-par?? Further Night Fighters seem to "bounce raids" more effectively than damage any aircraft.
Night strikes have a comparatively low success. The radar in many later Allied bombers might help, I just don't know if the code does that. Night fighters' greatest contribution seems to be breaking up raids and making them less effective.

Even some low level city fires must have positive impact for the Allies in terms of negative impact on Japan's production and need for supply to repair damage ??
Agree. Each of these raids had such a high cost that every effort must be made to make each raid as effective as possible, as opposed to maximizing the number of raids (as in daily bombing of bases by 4EB in other contexts).

I gather the victory point total is less important for you both (I applaud you both); this is about two great players seeing it through.
Yes, and thanks!

So I am curious do you have the pools to throw some random night time raids on the HI and start some camp fires?
I'll pull out a Tracker listing of the pools next turn, but the summary was sprinkled in the text above.