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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/9/2016 6:50:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed that the F/A-18C had the APG-65 in 1992, and the APG-73 in 1994. I thought the 65 to 73 radar upgrade happened much later, into the late 2000's.

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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/9/2016 7:47:32 PM   
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I noticed that the F/A-18C had the APG-65 in 1992, and the APG-73 in 1994. I thought the 65 to 73 radar upgrade happened much later, into the late 2000's.


Source?


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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/9/2016 9:38:12 PM   
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So far no Mig 23K in database. Any hope?
MiG-23K; It was a carrier-borne fighter variant based on the MiG-23ML.


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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/10/2016 12:17:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thewood1

I noticed that the F/A-18C had the APG-65 in 1992, and the APG-73 in 1994. I thought the 65 to 73 radar upgrade happened much later, into the late 2000's.


Source?



I was actually looking for one...so stick a ? on the end...does anyone know.

edit...just went through some of my old reference books in the attic. Upgrades of the 65 started in 1994. My original ost was generated from looking at the budget allocation. it had a date of 2004. I think that was the completion date of the final batch. Brassey's states it started in 1994...so...nevermind

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/10/2016 7:47:14 PM   
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Hello!

So far no Mig 23K in database. Any hope?
MiG-23K; It was a carrier-borne fighter variant based on the MiG-23ML.




Got some source info on this? Are you sure you're not thinking the Mig-29?

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/11/2016 1:19:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The MiG-23K would fall under the "hypothetical" category. It never left the drawing board (although the concept had been discussed and proposed, it was never funded for development beyond that stage).

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/11/2016 3:36:35 AM   
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it looks like the F-15S has been reengine apparently in 2008 to F110-GE-129C
source
http://www.geaviation.com/press/military/military_20071003.html

and in 2012 it was upgrade again by BAE system it include AN/ALQ-239 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)/AN/AAR-57 Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS)
source
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsbae-to-support-rsaf-f-15s-fighters-upgrade-programme

+

The DEWS For the F-15SA is the AN/ALQ-239 while the CMWS for the same aircraft is the AN/AAR-57
source
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiwh82shaDNAhUeSI8KHYu0C04QFggkMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgovtribe.com%2Fproject%2Fja-redacted-spe4a514r1324-pr-0053690550-nsn-1730005887919&usg=AFQjCNGoZd8Y36_s6JRbVGuuDNXurtcVnA

Thanks

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/11/2016 12:24:09 PM   
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in DB300 build 444, the sensor #2917 - AREOS Recon Pod [IR] has a properties:

Max Range Notes
5 nm Infrared, Reconnaissance Frame Camera

It actually has two sensors: an IR line scanner for low-altitude, and a long-range visible+IR sensor.
The long-range sensor has a range over 50km.

See manufacturer pdf on the sensors:
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/areos_-_reco_ng_8p_en_062013_noref.pdf.

and French national assembly report on the range (in french):
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/11/rap-info/i3219.asp


The previous generation of this reco system is also missing: it is the Presto recon pod. It has an optical sensor with a range of 35km. It was introduced on French air force Mirage F1 CRs in 2001, so units #1881 - Mirage F.1CR and #3725 - Mirage F.1CR should be able to carry it. Typical loadout would be:


Recon: Presto Pod [ESM], Barax NG DECM Pod, Phimat Chaff Pod
(Unarmed Recon) 1x Presto Pod [ESM]
1x Barax NG DECM Pod
1x Phimat Chaff Pod
2x 1200 liter Drop Tank
550 nm Recon radius, Hi-Hi-Hi profile. Cruise at 36k ft. No form-up time. Cruise at 36k ft. 10% reserves. 3 hrs Day/Night
All-Weather Winchester: Return to base when mission-specific weapons have been expended. Disengage immediately.

like in this photo:

In general, all the optical recon pods in the DB300 have 5nm range, that's a little short.

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/11/2016 1:05:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, some satellites are missing:

ELISA, a NOSS-like constellation of 4 formation-flying satellites, launched by France in December 2011. The mission will continue until 2019
webpage of CNES, the French space agency, on them
wiki:
wikipedia page


If you want the orbits the TLEs are (from Mike McCant's classified TLE page):

Elisa W11
1 38007U 11076A 15252.90790616 0.00000300 00000-0 56573-4 0 02
2 38007 98.0992 325.5583 0002267 84.4245 275.5754 14.64595113 06
Elisa E24
1 38008U 11076B 15254.88917054 0.00000300 00000-0 56589-4 0 06
2 38008 98.1037 330.0742 0002002 20.8939 339.1060 14.64582353 06
Elisa W23
1 38009U 11076C 15253.86452649 0.00000350 00000-0 65997-4 0 06
2 38009 98.0955 326.4881 0002456 307.4667 52.5332 14.64597851 00
Elisa E12
1 38010U 11076D 15254.88932568 0.00000300 00000-0 56588-4 0 05
2 38010 98.1056 330.0778 0001996 359.4702 0.5296 14.64583428 03


CERES, the follow-on system to ELISA, to be launched in 2020. The constellation will have 3 satellites flying in formation.
CNES webpage
wikipedia page

CSO, the follow-on to the Helios II optical observation satellites. 3 satellites, with IR imaging capability. Launches in 2017 at a 800km orbit (probably polar SSO), then at a 480km orbit (launch probably in 2021), and third one in 2021 (probably 800km SSO)
CNES webpage
wikipedia

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/11/2016 1:07:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Swedish Navy A 201 Orion does not have any weapons. It's prepared to mount a deck gun, but the gun was never mounted not not signal hostile intentions.

blh

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/12/2016 4:53:21 PM   
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In DB444 aircraft ID #3431 F-16AM Falcon MLU Should be named F16BM Falcon MLU since its a double crew one.

Also for the British Type 45 should not work in warm weather source

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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/12/2016 4:56:36 PM   
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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/12/2016 7:32:32 PM   
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An-71 NATO callsign "Madcap"
Basically an AWACS for the An-71 body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-71

It is hypothetical unit
Year introduced: 1985

Crew: 6
Length: 23.5 m (77 ft)
Wingspan: 31.89 m (104 ft 7 in)
Height: 9.20 m (30 ft 1 in)
Powerplant: 2 × Progress D-436K turbofan
Powerplant: 1 x Rybinsk RD-38A turbojet, 31.9 kN (7,870 lbf)

Performance

Maximum speed: 650 km/h
Cruise speed: 530 km/h


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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 6/13/2016 5:57:49 PM   
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Engine: 2x disels, 35-40 kts with full load, 50 kts with no load.
Max Range: 270nm with full load
Length: 22,5 meters
Width: 11 meters
Load capacity: 11 tons.
Total weight: 49 tons
Troop/cargo capacity: 50 tons
Active years: 2009 -

Source: www.fmv.se/sv/Nyheter-och-press/Nyhetsarkiv/Nyheter-2009/En-ny-resurs-i-det-svenska-forsvaret/?p=3

blh

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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/13/2016 7:52:46 PM   
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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/15/2016 9:51:44 PM   
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I got a couple of updates for the German Navy I'd like to share.

Appearantly, the last Sea Skuas in German inventory were expended in exercises at the training range at the Cape of Good Hope in 2014. Both Sea Lynx and Sea King remain with their original roles as ASW and Transport/SAR aircraft. In addition, the MM.38 Exocet, used on the Brandenburg Class frigates and Gepard Class fast patrol boats are said to have reached their servicable life in 2014 with no replacement being in the tubes as well (Even read that vessels of both classes still go to sea with their tubes installed, only to present a "complete" picture to the public).

quote:

http://www.marine-offizier-vereinigung.de/fileadmin/assets/PDF/MF_7_2012-Artikel4.pdf (article from 2012 in german)

The last remaining Sea Skua missiles of the Sea Lynx helicopter will be, according to current plans, expended in missile shooting exercises over the course of the next two years. The MM38 Exocet, on board the Type 123 Class frigate and Type 143A Class Fast Patrol Boats will have reached the end of their servicable life in 2014.

Could these developments be implemented into the German DB section?


Talking about helos of the German Navy. The Sea King in German inventory is and has always been the primary naval utility and land-based SAR platform. Would be cool if that was represented in the DB as well.

#1479 - Sea King Mk41

- Cargo, 4 tons, Slung Load

#96 - Sea King Mk41

- Maritime Surveillance
- Search and Rescue
- Cargo, 4 tons, Slung Load

Sea King loadouts updated.


#654 - NH90 NTH [Sea Lion] is intended to replace the Sea King in German inventory, not the Lynx. The Sea Lion will take on the current SAR and transport roles of the Sea King, hence the designation NH90 NTH (Naval Transport Helicopter). Feel free to remove torpedos, sonobuoys, dipping sonar and MAD, you won't make anything wrong. The aircraft, according to official figures, won't be equipped with any ASuW or ASW capabilities. I can't tell if the intended maritime radar will be the ENR as the to-be-fitted radar is said to be still in development. Only time will tell. As for the aircraft loadouts, I propose this to be added instead of the ASW loadout:

- Search and Rescue
- Troops, 14x, Seated
- Cargo, 4 tons, Slung Load

Btw, delivery of the initial batch of three helicopters out of a total of 18 is set for autumn 2019.

http://www.marine.de/portal/a/marine/!ut/p/c4/NYq7CsJAEEX_aGYDgsFuQ0C0EhsTuzEZwuA-wjAxjR_vbuE9cJpz8YmFRB9ZyCQnCjjgOMnptUMkBXrbxiEwPupvZphyYqs2TibFi5JlhTWrhVo21VJAZhxd03fu6P5rvt5fz7eDa9v-0t1xjdH_AOWmmwI!/
http://www.flugrevue.de/militaerluftfahrt/kampfflugzeuge-helikopter/rester-sea-lion-kommt-bei-airbus-helicopters-aus-der-lackierung/685414


Also, adjustments for #2512 - F 222 Baden-Wurttemberg [Type F125]. According to various sources, maximum speed of the ship is just 26 knots. Naval Analyses states that the cruise speed is 18 knots. Furthermore, the ship should be equipped with four davits for 11m RHIBs that are currently missing.

http://www.marine.de/portal/a/marine/!ut/p/c4/DcrBDYAwCEDRWVwA7t7cQr2BQkO0aEhr15f800s-7pg5fVao2eN044rbYTMPqBQwSFW8O2hIHk0cmE7x0SVSlSUKvtcy_fwAndo!/
http://www.freunde-fregatte-nrw.de/F223/f223.html
http://navalanalyses.blogspot.de/2016/05/baden-wurttemberg-class-frigates-of.html

Thanks!

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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/15/2016 11:25:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		AN-AWW-13 is a Datalink Pod, but the description seems to think it's a sub hunting pod?

Wrong description, it's pointing to the AN/ALQ-220 Airborne Sweep device.


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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/16/2016 1:27:24 AM   
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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/16/2016 1:37:51 AM   
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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/16/2016 7:52:00 AM   
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Can I ask where this is?



http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3441939


here :)

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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/16/2016 6:07:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw that MiG-29M is missing in db444, but the twin seat version M2 is already here #2841.

Info

EDITED: my bad, I didn't saw it the last DB444 in 23 and 27.
I Think that aircrafts with R-23/R-24 and R-27 should have also a mixed loadout of IR and Radar versions. At this moment only is present a Radar loadout. IR missiles are in DB but aren't used.


Thanks.

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RE: R-23/24T R-27T - 6/16/2016 10:09:49 PM   
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Much dialogue about this before on this thread and others but it appears the R-27T was never deployed on the MiG-29. and despite much book checking and googleing I cant find a photo of an operational Mig-29 using it.

Display models of the SMT/M2 etc at Air shows do have R-27T's laid out in front but I cant find images of an operational aircraft actually flying with the R-27T.

The R-23/24T is more complex as there seems to have been a wiring issue with the pylons (in the early variants?) and thus the missile was deployed as either the 2 x T or 2 x R not singularly.

The latest DB445 has amended (thanks again) the load outs in the Warsaw Pact and Soviet/Russian MiG-23's to include 1x-23/24T and 1x-23/24R's and photos evidence this is accurate.

So one R-23/24R and one R-23/24T is accurate but having two of either would be a nice addition.

From some research into the Angolan civil war and Cuban involvement it appears Cuban MiG-23's
had R-24T in the inventory (there's even a grainy photo!) Given the relationship between the Angolan and Cuban airforce at the time presumably the Angolan -23's had them too?
Latest DB doesn't have the option for Angolan / Cuban MiG-23's with R-23/24T loads, so that would be a nice addition, if possible please?
http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/EqMiG23aa-e.html
http://www.urrib2000.narod.ru/MiG23ang3.jpg

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RE: RE:9M96D - 6/17/2016 2:08:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got a bit more information about the Japanese Coast Guard. According to...

http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/japan-coast-guard-where-are-they-now

...the service dates for the Japanese Bell 212 are 1981-2015. (Actually, the last was retired in Feb. of 2016, but almost all the others were gone by the end of 2015.)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Bell 212
As far as I can tell, this is almost identical to the Bell 212 Utility (#1459), but does not have the Commando loadout; instead it would have a Passenger loadout ("a fifteen-seat configuration, with one pilot and fourteen passengers," according to Wikipedia).



I am finally working up a scenario with the Japanese Coast Guard (the first of many, I hope), so any additions in the next version of the database, especially with their aircraft (e.g., Bell 412EP and S-76D), would be very welcome. Thanks!


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RE: RE:9M96D - 6/17/2016 2:55:31 AM   
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Bombardier De Havilland Canada DHC-8-315Q MPA
Probably very similar (or identical) to the one used by Iceland, DB #4557
Service dates: 2009-present

Some useful information at...

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Japan-Coast-Guard
http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/japan-coast-guard-where-are-they-now

(Cool trivia...the Japanese Coast Guard names some of their search aircraft!)

AS332L-1 Super Puma
Probably identical to the one used by Iceland--I'm detecting a trend here, I think. :) DB #4555.
Service dates: 1992-present
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_AS332_Super_Puma

Eurocopter EC225 Super Puma (aka Airbus Helicopters H225)
Service dates: 2008-present
This seems to be an improved version of the 332, with increased range being one important change. Some versions have FLIR for Search & Rescue, but I do not know if the Japanese variants have this or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC225_Super_Puma
http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/japan-coast-guard-where-are-they-now
http://www.airbushelicopters.com/website/en/art/Article_1143.html
http://www.janes.com/article/58789/japan-coast-guard-acquires-h225-helicopter <-- some useful data; Japanese H225 is apparently the same configuration as the EC225
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JA688A_Eurocopter_EC-225_Japan_Coast_Guard_(7582262766).jpg <-- image for database from Wikicommons; "This work is free and may be used by anyone for any purpose. If you wish to use this content, you do not need to request permission as long as you follow any licensing requirements mentioned on this page....Wikimedia has received an e-mail confirming that the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page. This correspondence has been reviewed by an OTRS member and stored in our permission archive. The correspondence is available to trusted volunteers as ticket #2013031510006025."
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/eurocopter_ec225/

Thanks for considering these!



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RE: R-23/24T R-27T - 6/17/2016 1:15:53 PM   
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Now I saw that DB444 have the IR missiles in use. Well my research didn't found any fulcrum with R-27T too.

In the website of MiG, they said that the R-27T/ET can be used by the MiG-29S/SE/SM/SMT/M/M2 so...maybe R-27T is not commonly used in the loadouts, but it's a real possibility.



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RE: RE:9M96D - 6/17/2016 8:59:40 PM   
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Saab 340B+ (SAR version)
Service dates: 1997-present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_340
http://www.saabaircraftleasing.com/prod/datasheets/340b_jar.pdf
http://www.airplanemart.com/aircraft-history-and-specification/Saab-340-Two-Engine-Turboprop-Aircraft-Commercial-Passenger-Airplane.html

Far less important, but perhaps worth doing, would be to add the SAAB 340 as a Commercial aircraft

Saab 340B, service dates: 1989-present (200 built, 34 passengers)
Saab 340B+, service dates: 1994-present (100 built, 34 passengers)

Thanks for considering these.

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RE: RE:9M96D - 6/18/2016 12:16:47 PM   
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RE: RE:9M96D - 6/25/2016 11:39:56 AM   
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Is there a template for reporting missing units / Updating units in the databases or just collect as much info and send it in ?

Cheers

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RE: RE:9M96D - 6/25/2016 5:44:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		First time posting here and I wanted to share something that might be an error; currently the Chinese carrier unit Type 001 "Shi Lang" has 2 Deck Parking slots for 10 large aircraft despite it's almost identical Russian counterpart the TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov having 1 Deck Parking slot for 24 large aircraft. I'm curious if this is by design or was simply missed by the Dev team. I have also noticed that the Hypothetical Unit TAKR Ulyanovsk has a 2x 10 large aircraft Deck Parking slot as well, which seems unusual given that it was to be significantly bigger then the TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov or Shi Lang. I don't really have much knowledge of soviet flight deck operations, but surely they would be able to fit more then 20 aircraft on a flight deck that size? If either of these have issues have been noted or are not considered issues at all, please forgive me for posting this, but otherwise thanks for continuing to make this game better and better!

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RE: New USN frigate: FF 29 - 6/25/2016 10:32:02 PM   
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