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Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/14/2016 2:48:44 AM

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So just for a bit of fun I've done work on my own completely unhistorical fantasy mod, but odds are I will never get it into any state suitable for a playable release. What I however can release is art I've done for it which anyone else can repurpose for their own needs. Some of the ships aren't fully finished and they all lack upgrade art, but you just have to accept them as they are. I can post the ships stats that I had intended to go along with them if anyone wants.

The majority are based on real designs or design projects to some degree, although some are entirely made up. Many of the designs are from a group of nations that in the fantasy mod would have been united, feel free to have a guess as to which region that is and/or what designs the shields are based on if you want. It shouldn't be that difficult to guess the region I hope, assuming my limited art skills are at least somewhat up to the task of reproducing the real designs.

Year ranges are (made up) laid down dates, some of the older ships are assumed to have been modernized.
1941+:

1931-1940:

1921-1930:

1911-1920:

1901-1910:

-1900:

All of the aircraft are real designs and all but the top one were built.
Aircraft:

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/14/2016 3:00:54 AM

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Looks great, thanks for sharing!

Can you point to the real designs and design studies?

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/14/2016 3:51:35 AM

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Had hoped someone would attempt to guess, but sure. When I say "based on" that doesn't mean its a carbon copy, just that it is at least more than just inspired by the original. You will also see that I've moved things a bit from when things were actually designed/laid down in the real world.

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(In order, hopefully I don't skip any)
1941+:
Made up, Swedish Visby as starting point
2500 ton std 1940:ish destroyer design - Sweden
Loosely inspired by 1750 ton std 1940:ish destroyer design - Sweden
Based on �sterg�tland - Sweden
7800 ton std 1946 carrier design - Sweden

1931-1940:
730 ton std 1940:ish coastal destroyer design - Sweden
Made up, Swedish 1940:ish cruiser designs used as a very rough starting point
Based on Sleipnir - Norway
Based on Visby - Sweden
Made up
Based on �land - Sweden
Made up, Swedish 1940:ish cruiser designs used as a very rough starting point
Based on design alternative for Gotland - Sweden
Based on J�garen - Sweden

1921-1930
Made up
Made up, inspired by Commandant Teste - France and Chitose - Japan
Based on 3500 ton std Swedish 1934 cruiser design
Roughly based on design alternative for Gotland - Sweden
Based on Ehrensk�ld - Sweden
Based on Swedish 1921 cruiser design values
Based on Dragen - Denmark

1911-1920:
Made up, very loosely inspired by Gro�es Torpedoboot 1914R - Germany
Based on Shakespeare - UK
Based on Triglav - Austria-Hungary
Based on 3000 ton (construction ton?) 1916 cruiser design - Sweden
Made up, inspired by South Carolina - USA
Made up
Based on Trygg - Norway
Based on Sverige - Sweden
Based on Draug - Norway

1901-1910:
Based on Clas Fleming - Sweden
Based on (lengthened) Fylgia - Sweden
Made up, inspired by Nassau - Germany
Based on H�meenmaa - Finland
Made up, inspired by Bl�cher - Germany
Based on Draug - Norway
Based on L�on Gambetta - France
Based on Plejad - Sweden
Based on Fylgia - Sweden

-1900:
Based on Kaiser Karl IV - Austria-Hungary
Based on Kaiser Karl IV - Austria-Hungary
Based on Komet - Sweden
Based on �rnen - Sweden
Based on �ger - Norway
Based on Svensksund - Sweden
Based on Brage - Norway

Aircraft:
Puuska - Finland
Myrsky - Finland
Py�rremyrsky - Finland
J 22 - Sweden
B 18 (inline) - Sweden
B 18 (radial) - Sweden
B 17 - Sweden

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/17/2016 9:41:22 PM

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Another (fantasy) 1911-1920 cruiser along with a fix for a 1901-1910 cruiser (~Fylgia) I noticed I had put off-centre.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/17/2016 10:48:52 PM

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Cardas, would you be willing to help me out with some more art for Focus Pacific? I'm having trouble to get the transparencies - both ship and plane - to line up properly with each other, especially in the atop alpha file. I'd be happy to buy you a game on Steam or Matrix Games in exchange for the work.

These all look fantastic by the way. Great job on coming up with some of these nearly from scratch and them looking both plausible and professional.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/17/2016 11:08:48 PM

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I'm a bit hesitant to take requests and especially with asking for any compensation for it (you can do better than me for that

). I do modding stuff because it's enjoyable, but if I take requests I'd 1) feel I'd have to deliver a certain quality (especially troublesome when doing real designs) within a certain timeline - 2) that it becomes a job and not a hobby.
I agree that the atop file is troublesome, it's annoying to work with although it shouldn't be that difficult to get things to line up. Still, send me a PM about what you have trouble with and I can take a look, but no promises.

As for the realism, well at this level of detail you don't have to be that careful if you are making things up. It's not like I actually start planning out the machinery space, how to trunk things to smokestacks, accommodation spaces etc.. For the made up designs I just peek at a few related real ones and then put things in what I think seems to be reasonable places. I did sim a few designs with SpringSharp though.
For the real designs it's a bit trickier, you'd really have to find good pictures of them or make a model to figure out highlights and shadows. I've done neither, I just make an outline of the real design and then fill it in hoping for the best.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/30/2016 2:53:26 AM

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So I made two French ships, St Louis

and De Grasse

although after finishing De Grasse I noticed that Gary Childress had actually already done a version for it already. A bit of a wasted work for me to create a variant then, I don't know how I managed to overlook the existing version. I'm not sure the St Louis I made is exactly as whatever was the final design version but it should be close enough.

Also a bunch of ships for my fantasy mod that would surely have ended the naval war instantly had they been sent to the Pacific in the real world, namely coastal defense ships

. Also some additional destroyer variants and a patrol craft.

Many are real designs/ships, although as with the previous batch, they aren't necessarily all carbon copies.
Denmark - Project PG 255, 1936. Patrol ship?
Denmark - Huitfeldt destroyer
Sweden - Ehrensk�ld destroyer
Sweden - Visby destroyer
Fantasy destroyer
Fantasy destroyer
Sweden - Dristigheten coast defence ship (after being converted to a seaplane tender).
Sweden - �ran coast defence ship
Sweden - �ran coast defence ship (modernized)
Sweden - Oscar II coast defence ship
Denmark - Peder Skram coast defence ship
Norway - Nidaros coast defence ship
Finland - Coast defence ship proposal ~1925
Finland - Coast defence ship proposal ~1925
Finland - Coast defence ship proposal ~1925
Denmark - Project PG 237, 1938. Training ship (with 15 cm guns)
Sweden - Coast defence ship proposal ~1939 (lengthened)
Sweden - Coast defence ship proposal ~1945

The last one is pretty interesting due to both the late date and its size. It might look like a small cruiser in the profile view but the plan puts it at a standard displacement of 13100 ton.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/30/2016 4:36:09 AM

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quote:

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So made two french ships, St Louis

and De Grasse

Fantastic work Cardas! mind if I use these in Focus Pacific?

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 6/30/2016 4:51:10 AM

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Go ahead and use them, I made them for Focus Pacific after all (I would have stuck to the Nordic ships for now otherwise). Feel free to use any and all graphics posted here for modding.

As mentioned I'm not entirely sure if it's 100% true to the actual final designs. The Focus Pacific St Louis has a twin 100mm turret forward which this one doesn't. As an aside I'm not entirely happy with the smokestack either but I don't know how to make the special stack design look decent.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 7/7/2016 10:55:44 PM

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Only a single ship this time, one of the French "Alsace" battleship designs. Based on the picture at https://clausuchronia.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/6-cuirasses-et-croiseurs-de-bataille-11/

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 7/7/2016 11:35:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cardas

Only a single ship this time, one of the French "Alsace" battleship designs. Based on the picture at https://clausuchronia.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/6-cuirasses-et-croiseurs-de-bataille-11/

This is great, thank you Cardas.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 7/8/2016 1:48:56 AM

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Cardas, you're going to be the go to guy for art....GP

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 7/16/2016 6:51:00 PM

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Thank you both for your comments, though I'm not really looking to be the go to guy :)
Here's a bunch of minewarfare ships and I reimagined the fantasy battleships that I had slightly. I should perhaps add as an extra detail about the ships that are real designs, many of them are based on the images found on navypedia so credits to them.

Same deal as previous time.
Fantasy battleship
Fantasy battleship
Fantasy battleship (somewhat of a Dreadnought layout, but with superfiring aft turret)
Finland: Ruissalo (R-class)
Sweden: MUL 12
Sweden: MUL 11
Sweden: ~MUL 11
Sweden: �lvsnabben (slightly lengthened)
Finland: Viipuri
Norway: Otra
Denmark: Lindormen
Finland: Ruotsinsalmi
Sweden: Arholma
Norway: Olaf Tryggvason
Finland: Louhi
Finland: Vilppula
Norway: Fr�ya
Denmark: Lossen

Only a few patrol ships, auxiliaries and submarines left now and the Nordic side should have a pretty decent representation.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 7/17/2016 2:24:45 AM

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Very nice.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 8/6/2016 7:59:05 PM

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Thanks Dili!

Had other things to do so haven't really got any auxiliaries done. Also modified some ships I had in the first post.

Same old story as the other times.
Fantasy 60-65k battleship
France: Leon (had this one in the first post, style change to fit the line better)
Fantasy 10k heavy cruiser
Fantasy 15-20k heavy cruiser (had this one in the first post, kitbash lengthened)
Denmark: Hvidbj�rnen
Finland: Turunmaa
Sweden: Han�
Finland: Uisko
Finland: Silm�

The 60k battleship is really quite a bit too big for how I envision the "Nordic faction" for my mod. Turunmaa and Hvidbj�rnen are also quite a bit too modern but I modified the superstructure to fit better. It's not like I will give, say, Turunmaa its 120 mm 80 rpm gun anyway so their capabilities in the real world doesn't really matter for the ship art after all.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 8/7/2016 10:27:25 AM

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Btw some of those more anonymous ships are useful to make some auxiliaries and patrol boats.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 8/8/2016 12:47:08 AM

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Definitely, pretty generic stuff. But I'd like to make at least the art for a larger submarine tender, a repair ship and a munitions ship.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 8/10/2016 12:36:00 PM

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Do you have any sailing ships? We need square rigged vessels and also
multi mast schooner rigged vessels. These even served in the US Army!
[See Ships and Watercraft of the US Army] The US Army had two fleets -
the official one and "MacArthur's Navy" - emergency pressed vessels in
Asia. There were even commissioned warships (in the Burma campaign).
A few commercial vessels also are known to history. But there is no art
for anything not single masted and schooner rigged.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 10/28/2016 8:19:32 PM

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Sorry that I didn't respond El cid, had much on my hands after summer. Unfortunately I don't have any sailing ships for you and I'm not confident I could make any that would look good.

While I haven't really made a lot of extra art due to being busy I have created the data entries for the classes of these fictional ships and added them to the DBB-C scenario 28 (extended map). I've also added the ships of these classes, but this is not a proper scenario! It isn't at all balanced, every single ship that is part of the fantasy "Nordic" fleet is present and ready for duty from the start of the game (in the UK port).
Now why would anyone be interested in this? Well you can of course still play it, I'd assume it would at least add a bit to the challenge if you are playing against the AI as the Japanese side - I haven't touched the AI scripts though. More importantly this gives you all the ship art (aside from the French ships) in a ready to use format. Unlike what I've posted here I also have variations for upgrades for quite a few ships, although the visual changes aren't usually that big. I've used numbers 3700-3999 for the bmps so make sure you don't overwrite anything in your own art folder that you want to use. Scenario number is 169.

I've hosted the scenario on MediaFire:
Edit: And of course I noticed some errors after uploading... So new link:
Edit2: Even more errors and I'm sure there are a lot I haven't caught yet:
Edit3: New post.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 10/29/2016 1:46:38 AM

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Babes has some.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 11/2/2016 2:16:57 AM

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Some more fixes and tweaks.
Edit: New post, new link

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 11/7/2016 12:54:18 PM

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Some more fixes and tweaks. Joining the Nordic fantastically fabricated fairytale fleet of fabulously fictional size at the UK port is some Dutch cruisers with new art. So for those people that make mods a bit more based in reality this might be of interest.

Three real light cruiser classes:
Vickers design 767, class named "Utrecht" in the scenario - Post WW1 cruiser design for the Dutch, which supposedly was similar to the British WW1 cruisers. I don't have a lot of info on it, art is based on the WitP art for Birmingham. Had 5x2 150 mm guns (presumably in shielded mounts and not full turrets), the armor values I've used are made up as I got no data on it. Art number 3524 along with one that lands three twin guns for more AA at 3526.
Vickers design 1002, named "Holland" in the scenario - A precursor to De Ruyter? Has 3x2 150 mm guns but unlike De Ruyter it includes some heavier AA in the form of 2x2 102 mm guns. As with the 767 the armor values I've used are just guesses. Art number 3527.
Eendracht/(De Zeven Provinci�n/De Ruyter) - In the original form rather than how they looked when completed post-war. Art number 3542.

Two fantasy cruiser classes:
Seaplane carrier based on a Shipbucket design, named "Alkmaaar" in the scenario - About the size of De Ruyter, http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=335 is a link to the Shipbucket thread. I've modified it slightly though compared to what's seen in the thread. Art number 3510.
Heavy cruiser that I made up, named "Koningin Emma" in the scenario - A large cruiser of almost 13000 std tons with 4x2 210 mm guns, 6x2 102 mm AA and armored along the lines of a Mogami except including some actual turret armor. Art number 3515.

Edit: Download link removed, check page 2 instead.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 11/8/2016 12:17:27 AM

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That's a lot of Dutch. Nice art work also. What are your plans for the mod? What's the story?

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 11/8/2016 12:51:38 AM

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There's no story and at the moment the mod is little more than an art and ship stats repository. Technically I have an idea for a (fantasy) mod, but the ambition level of it is way beyond anything I know I can realistically hope to finish so there's little reason to say much more about it. I might try to throw together something less ambitious that's actually playable later though, but it wouldn't have much of story behind it. It would simply involve adding assets, mainly in terms of ships, to both sides. German, Italian and maybe some Japanese ships to the IJN side and Dutch, French and "Nordic" ships to the Allied side. While it is realistic I'm not all that fond of adding USN ships, they already have enough :). I want to see something new when playing!

As it is at the moment I simply hope someone has some use of something in what I release. Your mod for example has Eendracht in it, so here you get ship art for it. So the art is available to use for whoever wants it for a WitP scenario - even for other ships than I made it for. Otherwise you could e.g. throw the ships into an Andy Mac Ironman scenario if you want to give the AI even more cannon fodder to use against you, there's not even any reason the "Nordic" ships would even have to be on the allied side you could give it to the Japanese side. I would actually love to see Andy make use of it to do a custom Ironman version of it that would use them, but that's not really something I could ask of him.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 11/8/2016 1:21:19 AM

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Thanks for the letting me use any of your art. I am going thru it. My Mod has went out the plausible window. I am now trying to redo my story while adding never where or cool what if ships. I kinda agree with not adding any US ships unless they were never made ships. I have added some German, Italian ships and might add more. Just thinking how or what will catch my eye. But I like your work.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 11/17/2016 8:47:15 PM

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We have this two masted schooner. We are looking for
some sort of square rigged bark or even schooner.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 1/7/2017 6:09:01 PM

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I tried my hand at the Fokker G.Ia and D.XXIII. I won't claim to know how the DBB team arrived at the aircraft values, but I included an attempt at making stats for them to fit DBB. But hey, if you use them then you can point your finger at me if someone says they aren't even close to correct ;).

NOTE! I didn't make the side art, I just resized it for WitP.

Fokker G.Ia

Max speed: 295
Cruise speed: 234
Endurance: 240
Manuever bands: 25, 23, 20, 14, 3
Climb: 2650
Max alt: 30020
Durability: 32
Armor: 1
Max load: 880
Service rating: 3 (10-20 days)
Crew: 2

Range max: 815
Range extended: 620
Range normal: 500

Armament:
8x light MG (e.g. .303, 7.9mm or whatever you got in your mod) - Centre-line
1x light MG - Top Rear
1x 300 kg GP Bomb - Internal (normal range)
1x 100 kg GP Bomb - Internal (extended range)

This would actually be a neat addition to the Dutch forces in the early game, with its 7 hex normal range. Not the greatest fighter due to the low speed, but it'd allow you to cover more ground in the DEI and would be dangerous against unescorted bombers with its heavy centreline armament.

Fokker D.XXIII

Max speed: 326
Cruise speed: 280
Endurance: 120
Manuever bands: 25, 24, 23, 16, 8
Climb: 2850
Max alt: 29500
Durability: 28
Armor: 1
Max load: 0
Service rating: 3 (10-20 days)
Crew: 1

Range max: 450
Range extended: 345
Range normal: 275

Armament:
2x light MG (e.g. .303, 7.9mm) - Centre-line
2x heavy MG (e.g. .50, 13.2mm) - Front

Nothing to write home about, compared to the Dutch B-339D it's about as fast and has much shorter range. At least it has armor though coupled with slightly better climb rate and manuever ratings.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 1/11/2017 2:45:01 AM

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cardas,

Very nice work!!! Love the ship and air art! Looking forward to seeing more!

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 1/11/2017 9:26:32 PM

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Thank you very much!

I had an initial flurry of activity when I had a reasonably clear idea of what I wanted to do. With that done the pace is a whole lot slower, at this point I'm just do some now and then though when I feel like it. As an example I made the Fokker G.Ia art as it's probably one of the more reasonable "buffs" you could give the Dutch in a e.g. Reluctant Admiral, and as John 3rd is aking a new version I though he might have use of it.

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Most of these were included in the mod I posted, only "Kruiser 1915" is new. A this is a forum it's probably nicer to see them directly rather than having to download a zip which is why I'm adding the images now, despite them not being new. It sure is a whole lot easier to distribute them as a mod though and I doubt I will start uploading the upgrade variants to imgur.

Stats in bold are things that should be correct. Everything else is guesswork, the fantasy ships obviously has fantasy stats as well. I did try to crudely sim "Koningin Emma" with SpringSharp. The class names in quotes are made up as well.

Dutch fantasy seaplane carrier "Alkmaar":

Max speed: 32
Cruise speed: 15
Endurance: 7110
Fuel: 1680
Maneuver: 45
Durability: 28
Belt armor: 50
Deck armor: 30
Tower armor: 30
Aircraft capacity: 10
Bulk cargo capacity: 900
Tonnage: 7120

Armament:
2x2 15cm/50 No.9 - Front, Armor: 100
2x2 4in/45 QF HA Mk XVI - Right
2x2 4in/45 QF HA Mk XVI - Left
2x2 40mm Bofors - Right
2x2 40mm Bofors - Left
2x1 12.7mm Browning MG - Right
2x1 12.7mm Browning MG - Left

Dutch fantasy heavy cruiser "Koningin Emma":

Max speed: 31
Cruise speed: 15
Endurance: 6130
Fuel: 2050
Maneuver: 34
Durability: 51
Belt armor: 140
Deck armor: 60
Tower armor: 180
Aircraft capacity: 2
Tonnage: 12841

Armament:
2x2 21cm/50 No.3 - Front, Armor: 180
2x2 21cm/50 No.3 - Rear, Armor: 180
3x2 4in/45 QF HA Mk XVI - Right
3x2 4in/45 QF HA Mk XVI - Left
1x2 40mm Bofors - Front
2x2 40mm Bofors - Right
2x2 40mm Bofors - Left
1x2 40mm Bofors - Rear
4x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Right
4x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Left

Dutch pre-Java design (Kruiser 1915) "Hoorn":

Max speed: 30
Cruise speed: 15
Endurance: 4830
Fuel: 1170
Maneuver: 46
Durability: 22
Belt armor: 75
Deck armor: 25
Tower armor: 100
Aircraft capacity: 0
Tonnage: 5540

Armament:
1x1 15cm/50 No.6 - Front, Armor: 100
4x1 15cm/50 No.6 - Right, Armor: 100
4x1 15cm/50 No.6 - Left, Armor: 100
1x1 15cm/50 No.6 - Rear, Armor: 100
2x2 40mm Bofors - Right
2x2 40mm Bofors - Left
2x1 12.7mm Browning MG - Right
2x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Left

Notes:
Max speed: Considering the length of the ship and the boiler space used 30 knots seems a reasonable guess.
Belt armor: Beam without armor: 15.00 m, with armor: 15.23 m -> 230 mm armor total -> 115 mm per side. Then remember that there's probably a wooden backing plate included that's ~30-40mm -> 75 mm actual armor plate. The belt armor isn't as high as on Java which is probably why it can get away with having the same value on a lighter ship.
Deck armor: Probably same as Java?
Tonnage: 6170 (metric?) ton at normal(? maybe) displacement.
40 mm Bofors: Originally 75 mm/55 guns, this is a fictional upgrade to replace them with twin Bofors guns somewhat similar to what Java did.

Dutch 1920 design (Vickers design 767) "Utrecht":

Max speed: 29
Cruise speed: 15
Endurance: 5060
Fuel: 1030
Maneuver: 48
Durability: 21
Belt armor: 75
Deck armor: 25
Tower armor: 75
Aircraft capacity: 0
Tonnage: 5150

Armament:
1x2 15cm/50 No.6 - Front, Armor: 100
2x2 15cm/50 No.6 - Center, Armor: 100
2x2 15cm/50 No.6 - Rear, Armor: 100
1x1 75mm - Right
1x1 75mm - Left
2x1 2pdr HA Mk VIII - Right
2x1 2pdr HA Mk VIII - Left
2x1 12.7mm Browning MG - Right
2x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Left
2x3 53.3cm W1 Torpedo - Right
2x3 53.3cm W1 Torpedo - Left

Notes:
Might be based on British Cassandra (Caledon) cruiser, except with twin mounts instead of singles. Values therefore based on that ship class.
Tonnage: 5150 ton normal (or standard?) displacement

Dutch pre-De Ruyter (Vickers design 1002) "Holland":

Max speed: 32
Cruise speed: 15
Endurance: 4230
Fuel: 900
Maneuver: 47
Durability: 24
Belt armor: 50
Deck armor: 30
Tower armor: 50
Aircraft capacity: 2
Tonnage: 6000

Armament:
1x2 15cm/50 No.9 - Front, Armor: 100
2x2 15cm/50 No.9 - Rear, Armor: 100
1x2 4in/45 QF HA Mk XVI - Right
1x2 4in/45 QF HA Mk XVI - Left
2x1 2pdr HA Mk VIII - Right
2x1 2pdr HA Mk VIII - Left
2x1 12.7mm Browning MG - Right
2x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Left
2x1 DC Rack - rear

Notes:
Belt armor: Reasonable to guess armor might be along the same lines as on De Ruyter. However it might actually be more as this design only uses a single belt while De Ruyter has an external belt and then an internal bulkhead (50 mm + liquid (oil etc.) storage + 30 mm).
Tonnage: 6300 ton normal load, 6900 ton full load.

Dutch Kijkduin/Eendracht (Kruiser 1937, De Zeven Provinci�n/De Ruyter(iii) original design):

Max speed: 33
Cruise speed: 15
Endurance: 6100
Fuel: 1750
Maneuver: 44
Durability: 33
Belt armor: 75
Deck armor: 30
Tower armor: 30
Aircraft capacity: 2
Tonnage: 8350

Armament:
1x3 15cm/53 No.12 - Front, Armor: 125
1x2 15cm/53 No.12 - Front, Armor: 125
1x3 15cm/53 No.12 - Rear, Armor: 125
1x2 15cm/53 No.12 - Rear, Armor: 125
1x2 40mm Bofors - Front
2x2 40mm Bofors - Right
2x2 40mm Bofors - Left
1x2 40mm Bofors - Rear
2x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Right
2x2 12.7mm Browning MG - Left
1x3 53.3cm W1 Torpedo - Right
1x3 53.3cm W1 Torpedo - Left

Notes:
Check navypedia: http://navypedia.org/ships/netherlands/nl_cr_de_zeven_provincien.htm - original design.
Belt armor: Just like De Ruyter this ship also has an internal bulkhead in the same way. So 75 mm external belt, liquid space, 30 mm bulkhead.
Deck armor: 20 mm first armored deck, 30 mm main armored deck.

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RE: Ship shields and aircraft tops - 1/11/2017 10:07:34 PM

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cardas, Do you have the specs for these ships?....GP

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