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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 9:48:23 PM   
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What is JIII's mind like, embarrassed after the Wake debacle and either too cautious (cant let CR ambush me again!!) or out for revenge (ant let CR get away with this!!!!, Banzai!!!)

Which approach do you want him to take and what can you do to encourage him.

Sorong/Morotai is a good central position, you can go South/West/North so JIII will have to cover over 270deg and there are lots of dot bases in this region to defend/target.


Exactly, Jeff. I think he's both. He's cautious with his carriers 'cause if he loses them there's nothing to stop me from going anywhere on the map at my leisure.

Yet he's chagrined, a bit embarrassed, and probably increasingly desperate as he watches base after base fall to Big Tent.

I need a couple more days to take bases and get a very strong network of PBYs running so that he doesn't sneak up and somehow slip a big combat TF into my ships. That can happen at any moment.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 10:18:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is weird but in my experience 2 Fletchers have a lower chance of being detected than 3. I've had 2 Fletcher go a long way into Indian country before they were spotted. Probably makes no difference. Send something and maybe not just there, maybe the other places he might want to reinforce. In any event the Jupiter raid also was a bit of a game changer. Transports will have to now be defended with real warships, something in somewhat short supply (DD & CL's). BTW you are now in tight waters and John is quite good at sending warships in for night time raids. This is CA country and I expect there are going to be some nighttime surface battles. Your ships should be pretty god at night now so watch your TF compositions. Good radar, good night fighting, good skippers

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 11:14:59 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 11:31:18 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 6/30/2016 11:33:17 PM   
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I nearly scrubbed this twice to instead move to Ceram, but ultimately decided to proceed. There is danger of LBA and enemy combat TFs. It'll be a tense wait for the replay.

John's email comments, force disposition (reinforcing Aitape) and AAR title ("Sumatra 1943") leads me to wonder if he think he has me in a tight spot instead of the other way around. I anticipated that he'd abandon plans to fortify forward and begin to move expeditiously to the rear. I'll know more shortly.

The most interesting thing will be what he does with his carriers tomorrow. That should tell me everything. I don't think he'll use full speed, but I do think he'll send them.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:41:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		On this issue of "gloaming"...I had to go look it up, which hasn't happened in a while. One time I was reading a Ray Bradbury story and he used the word "susurration"

I had to look it up and was slightly annoyed but soon found myself trying to work it in to everyday conversation.."The sink is running. I hear a susurration".

I have a feeling this whole thing is the gloaming of the Empire of Japan.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:48:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes writers have favorite obscure words that they sprinkle into their works. I remember three that Alistair MacLean used occasionally in nearly every book he wrote: threnody, ululating and eldritch. I think all three were used when describing storms and their effects on ships and ship rigging.

One time my business had a college intern (smartest guy I've ever known in Georgia - speaks about 10 languages fluently, including Chinese). He'd never heard of the Bismarck or Pickett's Charge. He had an incredible vocabulary but raised a "that word is too obscure!" objection to my use of "ephemeral." I was shocked. I thought ephemeral was a word that basically everybody knew. Turns out it isn't - that it's a word I picked up in forestry school. It's used to describe an "intermittent" stream that doesn't flow year around, only during wet weather. That creek is said to be "ephemeral." But I typically use it in describing Georgia snowfalls.

Thanks for the story Cap.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:55:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Although I've never heard it used in the way you describe (though it makes sense), ephemeral is a common-enough word. Certainly not an obscure oddity that no one ever uses.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:59:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's probably a word commonly used in many circles (mine included) but not in a typical rural Georgia high school. It's a great word though, no?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:01:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I love that word. Have often used in in formal writing and essays. Quit beautiful...and philosophical.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:01:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		A few days back, John asked me to give him at some point two days in which he could attend to many housekeeping chores that have accumulated while he was trying to play three games at a time. We had arranged for today and tomorrow to be those days. So I may not get the turn back until Saturday, or it may be that John is pretty caught up in the excitement and does wish to play. I dunno. But I do think his interest is again increasing as his natural competitive "juices" are flowing as he plans his response to Big Tent etc.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:09:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose most of us add to our vocabulary occasionally throughout our lives. But I do have a very sharp memory of the last time I read a book that introduced me to a word I hadn't previously seen but that became an important part of my vocabulary: paradigm. I read the word in my fourth year of college in a collection of essays about the environment. I had no idea what it meant. I pronounced it very oddly: pair-at-uh-jim. I had to look it up. But since then I've seen it in print fairly often, heard it used in speech on occasion, and I use it from time to time in speech )but never in writing, I think).

I still have the book. It also introduced me to "The Tragedy of the Commons," which was a famous environmental/population essay of the 1970s.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:17:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heard a professor use the term "palimpsest" when giving a lecture on Greek tragedy. Had to look it up and have loved the meaning of the word ever since. Try to use it when I can, which is rare. Another favorite of mine is "panopticon," which I first read in an academic essay and for which wikipedia has a long-winded explanation. And none of us could ever forget the greatest word of all time: defenestrate, or to throw someone out of a window. This I picked up in history class way back in school when learning about the Defenestration of Prague.

There are a lot of beautifully specific words out there.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:21:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The French seem to have more than their share. "Ennui," for instances. There are some English synonyms, but do any really do it justice?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:25:35 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 7:51:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I suppose most of us add to our vocabulary occasionally throughout our lives. But I do have a very sharp memory of the last time I read a book that introduced me to a word I hadn't previously seen but that became an important part of my vocabulary: paradigm. I read the word in my fourth year of college in a collection of essays about the environment. I had no idea what it meant. I pronounced it very oddly: pair-at-uh-jim. I had to look it up. But since then I've seen it in print fairly often, heard it used in speech on occasion, and I use it from time to time in speech )but never in writing, I think).



It's a good word.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 9:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed many years ago that once I learned a new word, I suddenly started hearing it being used with a fair degree of regularity.

I recall that "neophyte" was one such word.

I first heard it while watching a movie where it was really emphasized. I didn't know what it meant so I looked it up. After that I started hearing it... I wouldn't say commonly, but often enough that it shouldn't have been unfamiliar to me.

After that had happened a half-dozen times or so, it got me to wondering what was going on.

New words do sometimes burst onto our collective consciousness and quickly become ubiquitous, like all of the new words associated with the computer revolution, for example. But, the words I was discovering back then weren't of that sort, and that they were being used so often, after I became aware of them, I couldn't believe that I was actually hearing them for the first time.

That led me to believe that the words in question were being used all along, but because I didn't know what they meant my brain was somehow skipping over them, with no awareness on my part that I had missed something. Then, when something out of the ordinary finally brought such a word to my attention, like the movie that emphasized "Neophyte", and I learned the word's meaning, my brain then stopped skipping over it.

I've often wondered how much nuance I missed over the years due to that, if that's indeed what's going on.

It's a bit of a catch 22. If I don't notice unfamiliar words until something out of the ordinary brings them to my attention, how do I know I'm missing something?

It doesn't seem to happen much these days, but I don't know if that's due to my broader vocabulary or if I'm still skipping over unfamiliar words, but due to my slowly increasing decrepitude, it's more difficult for me to finally become aware of them.

The brain is a weird thing sometimes.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 10:23:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The French seem to have more than their share. "Ennui," for instances. There are some English synonyms, but do any really do it justice?


It goes both ways. "Awe" is a (very short) English word that has no good equivalent in French (the best I could think of would be "sidération"). "Cool" is another one, and "warm" doesn't render well : we have "chaud" which means hot, and then "tiède", which means 'tepid', but nothing like "warm".

Francois

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 10:29:40 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 11:09:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm considering using a rather obscure word in a story I'm writing about the Cherokee Nation: acculturate. It's a "tough" word but fits perfectly, and readers should understand from the context:

"The Cherokee, for their part, encouraged the establishment of the Moravian mission at Springplace and Christian missions elsewhere in the Cherokee Nation so that they could learn English and begin to acculturate to American ways. They believed that doing so was their best chance of surviving as a people as the white population multiplied and relentlessly encroached on their homeland."

This particular story is in the very early stages and may change considerably before I'm done. But I spent an hour last night trying to figure out if the correct use was "acculturate to" or "acculturate into." It should be "to. "Into" would be used with "assimilate." The words are related but quite different. The Cherokee acculturated to American ways but did not assimilate into American society.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 1:38:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Going back to the word "paradigm", I first heard that in one of the first business conferences I attended. Then it began being used so much in business talk that it became commonplace and "gasp" ... a "buzzword" (an overused word or phrase whose main purpose is to make the speaker look like he is knowledgeable of current business practices).
There were other terms that were popping up and then becoming buzzwords - so much so that in some conferences the attendees played "buzzword bingo". A sheet with common buzzwords or phrases (" bottom line", "fact of the matter") was distributed and the participants X'd the buzzword when they heard it! It helped keep them awake!


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 1:41:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yeah, the annoying business/education buzzwords!

One of them is "brain storm." I first heard that in education classes in college, then soon in the business world. Soon, anytime I heard it, it was like fingernails clawing a chalkboard. I hate the word.

The former editor of the magazine used "yesteryear" all the time. All the time. It's a great word, but he used it so often that I haven't let it appear in the magazine once since I assumed his position in 2005.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 1:52:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Matrix" used in business in countless ways and is pretty much meaningless. If you are in a meeting and any of the following words or phrases are used you probably just wasted an hour of your life that you will never get back : "Synergy, Outside The Box, Thought Leader, Leverage, Millennial, Best Of Breed". And don't even get me started on turning nouns into verbs. What I call "fix something" somebody actually calls "solution it". Using the English Language as a blunt instrument. Sheesh

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 1:56:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Paradigm has been in use scientifically for a very long time.

Was a rather absorbed student of cosmology in the 80s and 90s and paradigm was a term you couldn't live without in that field of study.

Stopped studying cosmology after it was hijacked by mathmeticians and the currently accepted big science funded "paradigm" went down the rabbit hole of string bean theory.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:02:58 PM   
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icebreaker: kill the utter of that buzzword.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:07:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I'm an editor of a magazine that covers lifestyles and travel, we get zillions of press releases, media alerts, and publicity agency releases. A high percentage of them begin this way: "Hi, Dan, hope you're having a good day. I wanted to reach out to you to...."

"reach out to you" - *ack!*

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:29:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't stand the word "ululation" anymore. It is the sound Palestinian grandmothers made when the WTC towers fell. Guess I won't be reading any more Forrester. Msrs. Strunk & White advocated simplicity so instead of "acculturate" they would probably recommend,"The Cherokee, they learnt them some English"

Something funny about ze Heinkle's und Zenck's teching ze Cherokee to speak ze English.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:32:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Words to hate that you’ll never “unhear”, used in common everyday communication?

“Exactly”

Just listen for it… and you’ll hear it, and when you do, you’ll never “not” hear it. In fact, sometimes you’ll get a ‘double – exactly’… as in “exactly EXACTLY!”


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:34:25 PM   
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Words to hate that you’ll never “unhear”, used in common everyday communication?

“Exactly”

Just listen for it… and you’ll hear it, and when you do, you’ll never “not” hear it. In fact, sometimes you’ll get a ‘double – exactly’… as in “exactly EXACTLY!”



That's exactly what I was thinking.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:35:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I was admitted to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the admissions packet included a copy of Strunk & White. I think the good judges were appalled by the quality of lawyer writing. "Wherefore, the perpetrator ambulated in a westerly direction and confronted your complainant with malice aforethought."

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