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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/25/2016 9:13:49 PM   
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With PDU-ON, I had the advantage, the significant advantage, that pretty much every B-17 and P-38 in the west coast was harvested for combat operations

Also, in my game, the main offensive was India (Ceylon included), I didn't have to reinforce Australia heavily. What I found useful, but again PDU ON, was to keep USAAF quality on India, quantity elsewhere. In other words, I think I never had more than four, 25 plane USAAF squadrons in India, but they were always using the best of the best; P-38s and one squadron with P-40K; this augmented with the British and Commonwealth squadrons to fill the number gap.

In the Pacific/ Autralia, I had lots of P-39s, P-40Es and all the Marines, and up until recently, they were doing nothing other than training. As I mentioned before, no Japanese base was in range.

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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/27/2016 3:32:34 PM   
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Those air losses are staggering, even accounting for being spread over two days. It's great to have the KB pinned down like that, albeit at high cost to the ground troops there. But it should give your carriers a free hand. I still can't understand the Japanese thinking on this.

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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/27/2016 3:48:53 PM   
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Lurker :

Thank you for this continued AAR ; very well done.

Are your Canadian squadrons sitting in Vancouver Victoria or "Eastern Canada" training and pretty much doing nothing useful ?

The Kittyhawks in particular although the Canucks get some Hurries as well. Mixed in they can 'compete' if not win.

While it is a-historic they sent Canadians to Hong Kong and so sending a couple of squadrons off map by way of "Canada / Capetown / Columbia may be enough to "keep up the British end of the bargain".

I think the Canadian Fighter pilot pool is a little more robust than the British as well... and that leaves the Australian cousin's of those Canucks flyboys at home to appease all the Bruce's and Sheila's complaining about bloody Churchill..

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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/28/2016 9:08:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

With PDU-ON, I had the advantage, the significant advantage, that pretty much every B-17 and P-38 in the west coast was harvested for combat operations

Also, in my game, the main offensive was India (Ceylon included), I didn't have to reinforce Australia heavily. What I found useful, but again PDU ON, was to keep USAAF quality on India, quantity elsewhere. In other words, I think I never had more than four, 25 plane USAAF squadrons in India, but they were always using the best of the best; P-38s and one squadron with P-40K; this augmented with the British and Commonwealth squadrons to fill the number gap.

In the Pacific/ Autralia, I had lots of P-39s, P-40Es and all the Marines, and up until recently, they were doing nothing other than training. As I mentioned before, no Japanese base was in range.


Its taken going through a year of game time for me to realize that PDU-OFF is pretty balanced. I'm very happy not to face every IJA Sentai equipped with Tojos in mid '42, but I also miss having all those P-38Es and B-17s restricted in the USA. Still happy we went PDU-OFF, but truthfully thought is was more helpful to the Allies when we started - now, not too sure.

That said, I still think India/Burma is a great place for an Allied air offensive - just need to be careful (as I'm finding out the hard way) of losses, especially Brit losses. And as you say Jorge, much of the Pacific is out of reach from Allied short legged fighters.

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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/28/2016 9:10:32 PM   
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Those air losses are staggering, even accounting for being spread over two days. It's great to have the KB pinned down like that, albeit at high cost to the ground troops there. But it should give your carriers a free hand. I still can't understand the Japanese thinking on this.


You're not the only one jwolf! L_S_T caught me completely by surprise with this KB sortie. While its great to know where the KB is (even if its blasting some units), I'm not fully prepared to take advantage of knowing where it is! Just hope it stays put for a while so I can.

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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/28/2016 9:13:56 PM   
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Lurker :

Thank you for this continued AAR ; very well done.

Are your Canadian squadrons sitting in Vancouver Victoria or "Eastern Canada" training and pretty much doing nothing useful ?

The Kittyhawks in particular although the Canucks get some Hurries as well. Mixed in they can 'compete' if not win.

While it is a-historic they sent Canadians to Hong Kong and so sending a couple of squadrons off map by way of "Canada / Capetown / Columbia may be enough to "keep up the British end of the bargain".

I think the Canadian Fighter pilot pool is a little more robust than the British as well... and that leaves the Australian cousin's of those Canucks flyboys at home to appease all the Bruce's and Sheila's complaining about bloody Churchill..


Thanks Macclain5! Appreciate the positive feedback.

I've bought two Canadian fighter squadrons out of restricted status and shipped to SE Asia. Both Kittyhawks. Problem isn't pilots, but airframes. With PDU-OFF, just not many Kittyhawk IIIs and Is avail. That said, they do help - if nothing else, they can provide night cap on bases.

Wish I could tap into the Canadian Hurri pool - they are all permanently restricted!



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RE: 14-15 Jan 43 - 6/29/2016 8:49:47 PM   
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Thx

Interesting I did not note the Hurri's were perm/restrict !

Did the Victoria <or Vancouver> based AirHQ go with the Canucks ? I thought (mid 43) that Kitty pools in Canada were plenty deep in airframes...

Now I am going by memory and it could be very inexact ... is it possible that RAFHQ doesn't provide the same lift ?

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I initially choose PDU off as I tend to be more interested in the historical with variation as opposed to the "what if" spectrum potential of this game...

But I do appreciate your continued observations on balance.

It seems to me that initial reactions to PDU off inferred a strong strong imbalance to the Allies ; especially at end game...but I am not so certain that is so clear cut..

If you recklessly engage Japan with mere parity or slightly below parity in the early stages of there are longer term consequences at end game as noted in other AARs ..even where they have PDU on...

You have to have squadrons to upgrade for example... So don't risk what you cannot replace.

This game has a intrinsic balance with consequences. I imaging that PDU Off makes those choices even more consequential !

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16-17 Jan 43 - 7/3/2016 5:59:26 PM   
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Highlights – US CA TF bombards Munda; good day in the air over Groote.

Jpn ships sunk:
DD: 1 (Niizuki)
MGB: 1
SSX: 1

Jpn ships unsunk:
SS: 2 (I-164, RO-68)

Allied ships sunk:
AVD: 1 (Ballard)

Air loss:
Jpn: 80
Allied: 15

Subwar:
Jpn: 1 Attacks, 1 ship hit (AVD Ballard sunk)
Allies: 2 Attacks, 1 ship hit (DD Niizuki sunk)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: KB still off Port Hedland

West Coast/Admin, slow convoy departs LA for Auck.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, CVE TF (3CVE, CL, 4DD) is turned around to head to Bremerton to link up with BB Pennsylvania, then to PH.

In SOPAC, US CA TF (3CA, 2CL, 6DD) bombards Munda with good effect, base reported as AF 54 dam and Port 28 dam now. Only 3 Oscar, an Irving and an Emily destroyed though. B-17s hit Tulagi with good effect. Will hit Munda next turn with both B-17s and CV a/c – goal is to keep the AF under threat, if not closed prior to Lunga landings. On that note, Amph TF begins loading 1st USMC Div and support at Auckland. Should sail next turn. Trying to take advantage of KB being off Port Hedland, but supplies not stockpiled on Kira (fighter spt) or Vanikoro (bomber spt) yet – will attempt to increase supply runs – and keep fingers crossed that subs won’t interfere as escorts are a premium right now. On that note, AVD Ballard lost to sub while escorting supply convoy to Kira.

In SWPAC, Groote Eylandt is the focus of three fairly large daylight air raids (41Z,35B/22Z,15B/33Z, 28B), each intercepted by a decreasing number of combat ready P-400s from the single squadron located there – but they do a great job! At the end of two days, 30Z and 11B are lost to a pair of P-400s! Damage to field was minimal, all repaired by end of turn, but it did slow AF expansion. I swapped out the P-400 squadron with a fresh one as only 7 fighters were combat ready, the rest damaged. And coming into stage at Groote is the Gove Amphib TF and CL TF escort, so will need additional fighter cover. Now, just hope the KB stays put. On the negative side, I managed to offload an engineer battalion at Morningstar Island off Normanton by mistake (set to offload as I staged the convoy there), so they will reboard transports to Groote.

In WAUS, KB airstrikes continue to crush lead Allied ground troops west of Port Hedland. Ably assisted by BB TF (2BB, 2CA, 2CL, DDs) bombardment, the 2nd Aus IN Bde is getting pounded to a shell. Still not ready to pull off P-38s to cover them – the two squadrons in Australia are needed to cover the landings at Groote and upcoming at Gove – which remains the focus. SS Argonaut did manage to lay a minefield in the coastal hex the KB is operating out of between Broome and Port Hedland, perhaps a mine will find a CV? Subs haven’t had much luck, SS KXVI failed to penetrate the screen, but did manage to put a fish into DD Niizuki, claiming her sunk. Will continue to push subs and hope for the best. Really do want the KB to remain here for another week!

In China, Chungking continues to be hit by air – Sonias and Lilys with occasional Tojo escort. Time to push the P-40Es back and try another intercept.

In India/Burma, a couple of days of rest for the air forces. Will attempt another ground attack next turn, supported by B-24s and the usual fighter sweeps – this time primarily US fighters and the Brits still need some rest.



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18-19 Jan 43 - 7/5/2016 10:07:33 PM   
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Highlights – Good day in the air over Chungking; KB withdraws off Port Hedland

Jpn ships sunk: None

Allied ships sunk:
AM: 1

Air loss:
Jpn: 85
Allied: 12

Subwar:
Jpn: 2 Attacks, 1 ship hit (AM sunk)
Allies: 0 Attacks, 0 ship hit

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: KB location unknown.

West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, US CV air and B-17s both hit Munda with moderate effect, but find no CAP and no aircraft are destroyed on the ground. CV TFs will begin moving back to Noumea to refuel and replace a/c losses next turn. Lunga Amph TF completes loading at Auckland and will depart to stage in the eastern Coral Sea next turn – will hopefully avoid subs by staying off the usual shipping lanes and will avoid Noumea. Supply situation continues to improve at Kirakira.

In SWPAC, its quiet. Gove Amph TF and escort/support converge on Groote to stage, but are only attacked by a small Betty raid at night – no hits scored. First time I’ve had a night time naval attack! Guess that’s kinda a good sign..? Anyway, with the KB vanishing, I’m being conservative and pulling the Gove fleet back to Portland Roads – and keep the troops loaded for a bit. I figure there’s a good chance L_S_T will bring the KB into the Arafura Sea to strike Groote or Merauke, and don’t want them to find a major shipping concentration exposed. Will cost me a week or so, but that’s acceptable. Groote resupply shipping will remain, along with a small convoy offloading a SeeBee Bn. I still can’t challenge the KB if if comes in force – it still can overwhelm pretty much any base CAP I can muster. Of course, the KB could stay hidden and that creates its own problems.

In WAUS, the KB pulls off its ground support mission near Port Hedland, and disappears (my bet is Koepang) leaving Broome based Sallys to hit the Aussie ground units – destroying an Australian Arty Bn. I’ll push out LRCAP from Exmouth next turn to cover the ground units to challenge the Sallys and Oscar escorts – of course, the KB could come back….

In China, Allied CAP over Chungking does remarkably well! The usual US P-40E squadron puts a max 21 planes in the air, and two Chinese squadrons out of Kweiyang add another half dozen planes to meet the 54 Sonias escorted by 22 Tojo b in the first strike. After two days of strikes, the tally was amazing..43 Sonias and 21 Tojos lost in exchange for ZERO Allied planes lost! Not sure what the trick is, but really didn’t expect the P-40s to do so well against Tojos, even in an escort role. Will pull the P-40Es back to Kweiyang to rest, and see what develops. If nothing else, these China CAP traps have given the Allies a bunch of seasoned 75+ experienced pilots that I’ve rotated back into the reserve pool.

In India/Burma, another try against the IJA’s 4th ID fails with light losses. No Jpn CAP went up to intercept the B-24s in support though. Will rest the India/Burma air forces, and the ground forces will need to recover some losses as well. IJA is busy attacking Warazup, but the Indian LRP Bde and other supporting cast has held off the 2 RTA Div attack – but the supporting tanks are slowly grounding down the light defenders. Will see about getting some AT support!

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20-21 Jan 43 - 7/14/2016 1:43:51 AM   
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Highlights – Fairly quiet; KB remains hidden

Jpn ships sunk: None

Allied ships sunk: None

Air loss:
Jpn: 21
Allied: 24

Subwar:
Jpn: 3 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 0 Attacks, 0 ship hit

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: KB location unknown.

West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, US CV TFs arrive at Noumea to take on fuel and replacement a/c without bumping into IJN subs; will depart next turn to rendezvous with both Amph TF and CV Yorktown out of Sydney. Lunga Amph TF departs Auckland and begins trekking NNW towards the target. Shortland and Munda swept by P-38s and F4Fs respectively, but find no CAP. B-17s hit Munda with poor results. Will hit Shortlands next turn. Goal here is to deny both these bases to Jpn air and naval assets, isolating Lunga/Tulagi. So far so good. B-26s hit Lunga port with moderate effect. Will shift to hitting ground targets on Lunga either next turn or the one after. Lastly, the first F4U squadron becomes operational at Noumea – will fly to Kirakira shortly.

In SWPAC, its quiet. Gove Amph TF and escort/support arrive at Portland Roads without issue. Will remain another turn to see if the KB shows itself (think its at Koepang, but that’s a guess). Three ships continue to offload at Groote, and are attacked by Ms. Betty at night again without effect – will bring in some Beaufighters for night CAP. Groote AF now Level 2, so it can provide some air cover to landings at Gove when the time comes. Really would like to confirm the KBs whereabouts before I launch at Gove…

In WAUS, IJN TF moves to bombard the Aussies on the coast west of Port Hedland, but the bombardment didn’t take place – apparently the ground troops were able to move inland just prior to the ships opening up. Sallys and Nicks, escorted by Oscars hit the ground troops with minimal effect, but the LRCAP out of Exmouth also had minimal effect – in fact losing 4 P-39, 4 P-40E, and 4 F4F in exchange for 5 Nicks and an Oscar. Not good.

In China, NSTR.

In India/Burma, it was pretty quiet except for another IJA attack on Warazup – which was repulsed with heavy IJA losses – especially in tanks as parts of a Brit AT Reg was flown in to bolster the defense. Allied air rested, and will continue to do so for a bit.

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RE: 20-21 Jan 43 - 7/14/2016 2:58:18 PM   
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apparently the ground troops were able to move inland just prior to the ships opening up.


How is this possible when ground movement takes place much later in the turn?

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RE: 20-21 Jan 43 - 7/14/2016 11:39:52 PM   
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apparently the ground troops were able to move inland just prior to the ships opening up.


How is this possible when ground movement takes place much later in the turn?


Great question - I have no idea....probably my troops moved out in the turn prior... We're doing two day turns.


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RE: 20-21 Jan 43 - 7/15/2016 2:25:20 PM   
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Oh yes, forgot about that. That explanation makes sense. May or may not be right, but it makes sense.

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RE: 20-21 Jan 43 - 7/15/2016 3:04:27 PM   
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how is your supply situation in Burma? I think you are both committing significant forces, I think last time I saw, ~10 divisions each side
are you able to supply properly outside roads/ bases?

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RE: 20-21 Jan 43 - 7/16/2016 2:52:11 AM   
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how is your supply situation in Burma? I think you are both committing significant forces, I think last time I saw, ~10 divisions each side
are you able to supply properly outside roads/ bases?


So far, more than acceptable. That said, I haven't really tried to push much beyond the India-Burma border. Wazurup is lacking supply, but that's understandable.


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22-23 Jan 43 - 7/16/2016 11:59:08 PM   
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Highlights – Staying pretty quiet as Amph TFs move to targets

Jpn ships sunk:
ACM: 1
SSX: 4

Jpn ships unsunk:
BB: 1 (Kirishima – blast!!!)
SS: 1 (I-35)

Allied ships sunk: None

Air loss:
Jpn: 23
Allied: 17

Subwar:
Jpn: 1 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 4 Attacks, 3 ship hit (PB and APDs Namikaze and Kamikaze dam)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: KB location unknown – aerial mining of Koepang failed to produce any CAP – so KB isn’t likely there.

West Coast/Admin: Fast convoy departs LA for Auck; CVE TF arrives at Bremerton and awaits BB Pensy’s refit completion in a few days.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, US subs Scorpion and Salmon each intercept convoy heading south from Truk and both manage to hit escorting APDs – but fail to penetrate and engage AKs.

In SOPAC, US CV TFs and CA TF rendezvous with the Lunga Amph TF 240m SW of Noumea and will turn north toward Lunga once entering the Coral Sea. CV Yorktown departed Sydney with 5DDs and should link up next turn. Plan is to keep the CVs SE of Lunga to support the landings – with Munda currently closed, the most dangerous threat of course is the appearance of the KB, while the most likely is the marauding subs in the area. B-24s hit Shortlands with good effect, reportedly sinking four SSXs in port. No CAP. Munda hit by B-17s with minimal effect, also no CAP. Supplies sufficiently built up at Kirakira and Ndeni to support landings.

In SWPAC, its quiet. Gove Amph TF will depart Portland Roads next turn and head back to Groote to stage. Although I don’t know where the KB is right now – it can’t interdict both the Lunga and Gove landings. With Groote AF at level 2, LBA will provide the CAP – enough probably to protect the landings from Darwin based LBA, but not enough if the KB shows up. Fingers crossed…

In WAUS, IJA LBA (Sallys/Oscar IIb) hits the Aus ground forces west of Port Hedland and do well against LRCAP from Exmouth. 5 F4F and 4 P-40E lost in exchange of 3 Oscar IIb. Will send in P-39s and Aussie Kittyhawks next turn to see if they can do better. Once Gove landings done, will move a squadron of P-38Gs to WAUS as well as some bombers to perhaps hit Broome. Main body of 41st Div has yet to be hit by IJA air, and continues to move slowly east, protected by two AA Bns. What L_S_T has shown me is that not only Port Hedland AF needs to be shut down, but Broome as well in order to successfully attack Port Hedland overland.

In China, the Lanchow Air Force, all three P-66 Vanguards, take to the air and intercept unescorted Lillys in ground support – knocking down 11 for no loss. Its just a pin ****, but it might divert some fighters from elsewhere. On that note, Chungking is swept by Tojos, but the P-40s remain at Kweilang.

In India/Burma, stays quiet as the Allied AF rests. Air recon has reported 397 fighters based at Magwe!!! I know L_S_T likes to mass forces, but this is ridiculous!

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RE: 22-23 Jan 43 - 7/17/2016 3:09:39 PM   
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Air recon has reported 397 fighters based at Magwe!!! I know L_S_T likes to mass forces, but this is ridiculous!


this might be unavoidable for a Japanese player that wants to keep the oil flowing to Rangoon... maybe you should focus on this base instead? if the port is destroyed, then the oil will remain useless

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RE: 22-23 Jan 43 - 7/17/2016 4:36:17 PM   
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Magwe is an inland base in Burma - no port to destroy.
Since the Japanese can produce nearly unlimited fighters the Allies have to be somewhat careful with where they seek A2A combat. Numbers count in air battles.

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RE: 22-23 Jan 43 - 7/17/2016 5:53:06 PM   
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I meant Rangoon; Rangoon is Magwe's natural port. If it's destroyed then Japan cannot get the oil. By attacking it Japan is forced to split its defenses

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RE: 22-23 Jan 43 - 7/18/2016 12:38:17 AM   
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I meant Rangoon; Rangoon is Magwe's natural port. If it's destroyed then Japan cannot get the oil. By attacking it Japan is forced to split its defenses

OK, now I get your drift. The rail line goes all the way to Moulmein so he could ship out of there too if he builds the port to max.

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RE: 22-23 Jan 43 - 7/18/2016 9:01:05 PM   
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Rangoon is on the list of targets, but well beyond my capability in Jan '43. I'm still far too short airframes to be very aggressive in the air - that won't change until mid '43, right?

Till then, I have to be fairly cautious, especially with the British Air Arm. I'll keep pushing additional US fighter squadrons to Burma, and eventually get the edge...I hope..

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24-25 Jan 43 - 7/20/2016 4:34:15 PM   
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Highlights – Last pretty quiet turn for a bit as most of the Allied air forces rest

Jpn ships sunk: (all old)
SS: 1 ((I-164)
xAKL: 1
ACM: 1

Jpn ships unsunk:
SS: 1 (RO-67)

Allied ships sunk:
xAKL: 1

Air loss:
Jpn: 18
Allied: 22

Subwar:
Jpn: 2 Attacks, 1 ship hit (xAKL sunk)
Allies: 1 Attacks, 1 ship hit (xAK dam)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: NSTR

West Coast/Admin: On the admin side, I finally think I’ve managed to work through the various upgrades to get the USMC recon squadrons squared away. This was a chore I’ve been working through for weeks of game time – the problem was trying to ensure USMC squadrons didn’t “dead end” due to PDU-OFF limitations, and were able to get the best a/c possible. I realized a while back that to upgrade the various USMC squadrons there weren’t enough a/c to upgrade by squadrons, they had to be broken down to the sub units, and then upgraded separately. Just glad I discovered that early on. So, this is what I came up with as near as optimum USMC recon capabilities with PDU-OFF:
VMO-155: F4F-7
VMD-154: PB4Y-1 (had to disband 1/3 of the squadron, which will return in Jun)
VMD-254: PB4Y-1 (had to disband 2/3 of the squadron, which will return in May)
VMF-111: F4F-3P
VMO-251: F4F-3P (Stateside - two a/c in squadron, to be used as trainers)
VMF-216: F4F-4 (Stateside - 8 planes to use as trainers to gain experience with LRCAP flights)

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, US CV TFs, CA TF and Lunga Amph TF all link up in Coral Sea and will move to loiter just SE of Rennel Is – then move to target. So far, they haven’t been located by search. CV Yorktown still trailing behind, also should link up. Air support rests, and supplies have been brought up to good levels at supporting bases. Now if the subs will stay away and the KB remains somewhere far away.

In SWPAC, its quiet. Gove Amph TF just SE of Groote Eylandt is spotted by a sub, which is heavily depth charged. Hopefully L_S_T will think its just a reinforcement of Groote. That said, the Amph TF will head to Gove next turn, with a CL TF heading out of Portland Roads to provide cover. Groote will provide LRCAP with a P-400 and F4F-4 squadron, and P-38Gs out of Merauke. Meanwhile, PBYs sight two IJN TFs SE of Koepang, heading east. The PBYs report a single CL and a pair of DDs – I’m taking this to be the usual CL TF with DDs to disrupt shipping near Groote – if it’s something bigger….I’d rather not think about it…

In WAUS, IJA LBA (Sallys/Oscar IIb) continue to hit the Aussie ground forces with moderate effect. The LRCAP of P-39s and Kittyhawks do a little better, downing 3 Oscar IIb and a Sally in exchange for 4ea Allied fighters – still not good, and no where close to provide adequate cover. So, I’ve pulled a P-38F squadron west to Meekatharra to provide some more robust LRCAP. Lastly, a squadron of P-38Gs (6 planes) is loaded and departed on a Cape Town based convoy, headed to India.

In China, the much vaunted three plane Lanchow Air Force on LRCAP disrupted unescorted Sonia ground attacks NW of Kienko, downing 4 Sonias for no loss. Just to keep the IJA Air honest! These little CAP traps provide some, albeit minor, diversion to the usual bad news in the China Theater.

In India/Burma, stays quiet as the Allied AF rests.

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RE: 24-25 Jan 43 - 7/21/2016 3:15:59 PM   
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Now if the subs will stay away and the KB remains somewhere far away.


Is KB still operating in the area between Timor and Australia? Or do you know where it is?

Hmmm, you said "last pretty quiet turn for a bit" and an invasion is apparently in the works in the Solomons area and/or New Guineau. I'm guessing this is a lot more than a quick probe. Good luck!

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RE: 24-25 Jan 43 - 7/21/2016 7:34:34 PM   
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No clue where the KB is jwolf -- figured it went to Koepang to take fuel, but that's a guess.

and yes, two separate Allied invasions are imminent, it will get busy...fingers crossed!

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26-27 Jan 43 - 7/26/2016 9:56:56 PM   
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Highlights – Landing on Gove with the entire IJN fleet 40m away!

Jpn ships sunk:
SS: 2 (RO-33, RO-60)
xAP: 1
SSX: 1

Allied ships sunk:
AG: 1 (small)

Air loss:
Jpn: 72
Allied: 53

Subwar:
Jpn: 4 Attacks, 1 ship hit (AG sunk by SSX)
Allies: 7 Attacks, 2 ship hit (xAP sunk, AK dam)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv:
Gove (SWPAC)

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: KB and much of the IJN fleet appears just 40m west of Gove! Did get a SIGINT hit on an IJN warship for the FIRST TIME since early Dec 41: “CA Aoba is moving to 86,130” – smack in the middle of the Gulf of Carpentaria.

West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, majority of the US fleet links up in the Coral Sea and moves to stage just SE of the reef south of Rennel Island prior to the run in to Lunga. At least two IJN subs are hit by a/c – from the half dozen sighted in the area. Fingers crossed that we can keep the subs at bay. TFs will begin run to Lunga next turn, with the CVs remaining south of Rennel to provide distant cover – Kirakira based LRCAP will provide most of the cover for the landings – less the P-38G squadron and the Hornet’s F4Fs, which were just sent to SWPAC. With the IJN fleet now identified off Gove, there “should be” no real threat to the Lunga landings.

In SWPAC, So much for quiet…the CL and 2DDs sighted last turn in the Timor Sea turns out to be the entire IJN Fleet – and it winds up just west of Gove! Luck is with me as the KB puts up just one airstrike against the Amph TF (CL, 6DD, 2APD, 2AM, 2AP, 2xAP, 4AK) and CL TF (2CL, 4DD) – and hits NOTHING (Synch bug showed much, much worse results!!, Boy was I relieved when I opened the turn file!). Amazingly the Amph TF also stays the course and lands the majority of the troops (combat troops anyway) at Gove – troops landed are C/32nd ID, Aussie Tank Reg and Cbt Eng Bn and a US Air Advn BF. The defenders appear to be about 400 men of an SNLF. The usual USAAF airstrikes on these troops are heavily intercepted by KB Zeros and both sides suffer heavy losses: 20Z vs. 4 P-400, 3 P-38G, 3 F4F, 4 B-17F. The LONE US airstrike against the KB was slaughtered – 14 of 18 USMC TBFs shot down by a 80+ Zero CAP. In any case, now it gets dicey. With the entire IJN in the adjacent hex, the Allied ships will scatter, and head for ports – Merauke, Horn, and Normanton for most of the transports, but also Portland Roads and other ports in NE Australia – not just for the invasion shipping, but all shipping in the area (which there are a goodly amount right now). Each transport will largely have a single DD as escort, the CL TF will sail intact for Horn. One xAP along with an AM will stay at Gove to offload some more troops. An xAK and SC will attempt to complete offloading at Groote Eylandt. I realize this is a longshot to get some of these ships out of harm’s way – and the ports aren’t really “safe”. The KB is fully capable of overwhelming CAP at any of these ports – that said, I’ve maxed CAP over Horn Island (100+), but also need to cover Merauke, Normanton, and Portland Roads. Groote Eylandt is left naked of fighters, just AA, as is Coen (B-17 base) – gotta take risk somewhere. Despite the massive looming threat, there are some positives here. First – knowing that the KB is here means the Lunga landings in SOPAC should go smoothly. Also, troops ARE ashore at Gove, and they should be able to take the base in the first assault. Also, that SIGINT hit of the CA Aoba heading to hex 86, 130 could work out well – I’ve focused 4 subs to that hex, and reworked strike a/c to night naval (no way I’m going to be able to penetrate that IJN CAP and cover friendly bases/ships in daylight) to be able to hit that hex. I gotta figure that’s at least part of the KB moving there – it’s a good central position in the gulf to interdict the fleeing Allied ships. Lastly, I’ve sent two squadrons of PTs (6ea) to that hex. Fingers crossed they all can do something productive. Will still likely be a bloody turn!

In WAUS, IJA LBA (Sallys/Oscar IIb) continues to hit the Aussie ground forces with good effect. LRCAP continues to provide ineffective cover. Can’t do much else right now with the threat off Gove. Plan remains to bring HBs and P-38Gs to Meekathera when the dust settles at Gove.

In China, L_S_T brings out all the stops and launches heavy airstrikes to close Chungking AF – and my fighters remain resting at Kweiyang. Numerous Sonia and Lillys, fairly well escorted by Tojos do succeed in closing the airfield. Will attempt a LRCAP intercept next turn as a number of the raids did come in unescorted - hopefully we can get some luck.

In India/Burma, pretty quiet, but the usual nighttime Welly raid on Magwe does REALLY well: 14 Oscar IIB, 9 Tojo, 6 Tony and 2 Nicks destroyed on the ground in exchange for 4 Wellingtons lost – a heavy price, looks like better AA has arrived. Still, a worthwhile raid. Will try a pair of B-25 squadrons next turn, since the Wellys need to rest.

Below screenshot depicts the events in and around Gove from 26-29 Jan 43:



28-29 Jan 1943

Highlights – Gove taken but the cost isn’t light at sea; Marines land on Lunga

Jpn ships sunk:
DD: 1 (Yamagumo)
SS: 1 (I-30)
xAK: 1

Jpn ships un-sunk:
DD: 1 (Hagikaze)

Allied ships sunk:
DD: 3 (Mahan, Shaw, Stuart)
PT: 3
SC: 1
AM: 2
AP: 1
AK: 1
xAP: 3
xAK: 1

Air loss:
Jpn: 31
Allied: 53

Subwar:
Jpn: 2 Attacks, 1 ship hit (xAP sunk)
Allies: 6 Attacks, 3 ship hit (DD Yamagumo sunk, SS RO-60 dam, xAKL dam)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv:
Lunga (SOPAC)

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated:
Gove (SWPAC)

SIGINT/Intel: KB departs Arafura Sea to points unknown.

West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, Lunga invasion goes like clockwork! At least 4 subs are reported hit by patrolling ASW a/c, and another 2—3 are roughly handled by ships d/c attacks – and one reported as sunk. Subs were the only threat – no mines or a/c. CA TF (3CA, 2CL, 5DD, DMS) bombards with good effect (425 casualties) and then heads to Ndeni to replenish – CA Chester getting missed by a sub in the process. Land based bombers from Ndeni and Luganville also soften up defenders. Amph TF (2CA, 3DD, DE, 2AM, AVP, 13AP, 2APD, 5AK, 4xAP) carrying the 1st USMC Div(+) lands the troops without incident. By the end of two days, all but one Marine Regiment (reinforcing from 2nd Mar Div) is offloaded completely, and about 1/3 of the APs are fully offloaded and will head back to Luganville to load more troops. Remaining ships will remain to offload supplies for another turn at least. CV TFs will move to a position near Kirakira, hoping to avoid subs reportedly converging on their current position near Rennell Is. Naval air will continue to provide ASW support, some TBFs will conduct some ground support, and the majority of the SBDs will continue to be held back for a potential naval strike – although this isn’t likely right now. Kira based LRCAP will have the priority of providing the CAP over the landings. IJA defenses look to consist of 1/3 of the Imperial Guards Div, SNLF and Naval Guard unit plus support. Marines will conduct a deliberate attack next turn, to at least reduced defenses. So far so good here.

In SWPAC, it could have been worse. Much worse. As it is, it isn’t good, but it won’t stop operations. Surprisingly, the IJN Navy sticks to the limited objective of bombarding Groote Eylandt – and sinking any Allied ships that didn’t get out the way fast enough. One substantial naval engagement, Allied CL TF (2CL, 4DD) engaged the fastest IJN TF (3CL, 4DD) was inconclusive, not a single 6” shell found a target – despite Arleigh Burke commanding. Numerous other small engagements between the IJN Fleet in two other TFs (4CA, 5DD and 2BB, CL, 5DD) and the scattering Gove Amphib TF. DDs valiantly attempted to protect their charges, and some did – others didn’t and some gave up themselves to do so. All in all, some 14 separate engagements at night in the Gove hex or the adjacent one to the east resulted in the loss of 3DD, AM, AP, 2xAP and an AK). Damage to the IJN was less than negligible. Another xAP was lost to a sub at Gove, and an SC and xAK lost to the IJN when they closed on Groote to bombard – which they did with good effect, closing the AF and reducing the 4k of supply stocked to zero. PTs were singularly ineffective, losing 3 boats for no hits. Only the SS Pollack managed to score, reporting the DD Yamagumo sunk with a single torp hit. Fortunately, (and surprisingly) the KB itself didn’t head east, and conducted no naval strikes at all. Merauke AF was subjected to a heavy fighter sweep – 117 Zeros which the limited CAP (13 P-38G, 11 Kittyhawk, and 6 Beaufighters) shot down 18. US strike a/c did send 33 night time naval strike sorties (low naval and torp) against the KB over the two days, none of which scored a single hit. Lastly, Gove fell on the first assault, with the 400 odd defenders being wiped out. Overall, as I’ve said a number of times in this AAR, it could have been worse. Gove landings were more expensive than I intended, but the base was taken, and nothing irreplaceable was lost – although the xAP/APs lost did have a number of support squads on board when they went down – that will invariably slow expansion of Gove. Will begin re-routing the dispersed shipping, and attempt to resume resupply operations to Groote as priority, and bring more troops (eng and support) to Gove. Intent is to establish Gove as a major base as its well within range to shut Darwin down (8 hexes).

In WAUS, IJA LBA was limited to Oscar sweeps over Allied troops in the desert, no Sallys flew. A few P-38Fs flew out of Meekatharra, and 6 Oscars were lost in exchange for 2 P-38s and a P-39. P-38s now at Exmouth, reducing the range to target. Now that Gove landing complete, will look to move the P-38Gs to Meekatharra, as well as bring back the B-24s now in SOPAC and work to shut Broome down. WAUS goal remains pushing towards Port Hedland to close the vice on the Japanese in NW Aus.

In China, US and Chinese LRCAP over Chungking doesn’t fair well against IJA Oscar sweeps, losing 6 P-40s and 3 Lancers for no IJA loss. Only one pilot lost though. Engineers repaired damage to get Chungking AF back in operation.

In India/Burma, NSTR.


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RE: 26-27 Jan 43 - 7/26/2016 10:12:26 PM   
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Wow, quite lively turns!

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RE: 26-27 Jan 43 - 7/26/2016 10:26:13 PM   
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Well if he threw everything in the last few turns, then he shouldn't have the reserves to maintain the pressure.

fast transports missions from Normanton or Horn Island should be feasible; and by now you have so many construction battalions that sending them in near suicide runs should no longer by a problem

how is your air supply capability in Australia?

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RE: 26-27 Jan 43 - 7/26/2016 10:56:41 PM   
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Well if he threw everything in the last few turns, then he shouldn't have the reserves to maintain the pressure.

fast transports missions from Normanton or Horn Island should be feasible; and by now you have so many construction battalions that sending them in near suicide runs should no longer by a problem

how is your air supply capability in Australia?


KB remains a threat - I still can't contest its presence. It can overwhelm any one target if it chooses to throw its air at it. But it won't be without losses - to both sides, and I'm not sure if L_S_T wants that.

So I figure he's not going to loiter all too long in restricted confines north of Australia. But as long as the KB does, its presence alone will shut down ops. That's OK, troops are ashore, Gove seized and good supply there. And best of all, since he's got pretty much the entire navy here, he's got little else to oppose the Lunga op.

I've got to focus on bringing Groote supplies back up, then I can use landing craft from their to Gove if necessary.

C-47s have been flying already - have about half dozen full squadrons, plus a few more if needed. And some PBYs if things get real dicey. Coronados too.

This will slow progress, which truthfully isn't a bad thing. I don't really have the resources to push hard anywhere right now - especially airframes.

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RE: 26-27 Jan 43 - 7/27/2016 1:35:32 AM   
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If I have to bet, as soon as Gove becomes "big" he will start withdrawing from northern Oz.
Have you tried to advance from the south? I know it is hard supply wise,

good luck on your Solomon's operation

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30-31 Jan 43 - 7/30/2016 5:51:26 PM   
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Highlights – Lunga falls; IJN fleet remains in Arafura Sea, NW of Gove

Jpn ships sunk:

Allied ships sunk:
APD: 1 (Crane)
PT: 4

Air loss:
Jpn: 49
Allied: 25

Subwar:
Jpn: 1 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 1 Attacks, 0 ships hit

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated:
Lunga (SOPAC)

SIGINT/Intel: KB sighted in the Arafura Sea, NW of Darwin.

West Coast/Admin: With the start of Feb 43 coming up, Fletcher class DDs head to ports for refit. Trying to front load as many as possible, but of course, they need to be pulled from duty.

In NOPAC, I’m forced to withdraw NOPAC’s only PBY squadron – will be replaced by one currently doing anti-sub patrols off the West Coast. Forgot about this one, so there will be a couple of turns without good search coverage. Can never have too many PBYs, and losing a squadron or two to withdrawals still hurts!

In CENPAC, BB California (21/60/18) departs PH under heavy escort (CVE, 4DD, DE, KV, SC), bound for further repairs on the West Coast. Fingers crossed here…

In SOPAC, Lunga falls in the second assault – surprised. Figured I’d be reducing forts for a while. Good news, but my troops are prepped for Lunga, not Tassafaronga. Those headaches, I can live with. 1st USMC Div and incoming elements from the 37th and Americal Div will continue the fight to Tassafaronga while the 2nd USMC Div will shift focus to Tulagi – estimated held by a Bde sized force. With no major IJN threat, the US CVs will depart SOPAC for operations in CENPAC, as will ¾ of the avail AP/AK in SOPAC. CA TF will remain for a while longer to provide gunfire support, but operations will be limited in SOPAC for a bit as Lunga is built up. Significant number of B-17 and B-24 squadrons will also depart to WAUS.

In SWPAC, the KB remains in theater, hitting Groote ground forces with a large airstrike – ground forces? Don’t understand that one, and the US 503rd Para Reg is hit by a massive strike (104Z, 143K, 87V, 53J) which only caused 48 casualties and lost 6V, 2K and 6J to AA. Perhaps they were set to ground attack Gove, but weathered out and hit Groote instead? Only thing that makes sense to me. In any case, Groote is also the target of a BB TF (2BB,3CA, CL, 6DD) bombardment which sinks 3PTs but does minimal damage to Groote – the AF is open. Supplies remain low at both Gov and Groote, and my lone APD heading to Gove is pummeled by KB air and sunk. Most of my shipping is still being held back by friendly ports, only a small convoy of a few xAK/xAKLs will attempt to dock and offload at Groote. LBA will try to hit the KB at night if it stays in the Arafura Sea, and half a dozen subs will converge, but I don’t hold high hopes for success.

In WAUS, IJA air continues to focus on the lead Allied force west of Port Hedland, still not covered well enough by LRCAP. But the LRCAP has more teeth with the P-38Fs – 12 OscarIIb are lost inexchange for 2 Kittyhawks, 2 P-38F, and 2 P-40E. Still too many Oscars to break into the bombers, and the Sallys drop their loads with good effect. But help is on the way to shut down Broome. P-38Gs and B-17s/24s begin the transit to WAUS from both SWPAC and SOPAC. Once in place, will hit Broome AF hard.

In China, IJA air hits Kweiyang AF for the first time, destroying 3 Chinese Lancers on the ground, but sparing the US P-40Es. Will move the US fighters back to Chungking and hope to catch an incoming raid – but I think the time of good CAP Traps over Chungking is closing for the P-40E. On the ground L_S_T continues to focus on reducing the Chinese forces around Lanchow, which are slowly being reduced. So far, not much ground activity near Chungking recently.

In India/Burma, a third RTA Division is brought into Warazup, so L_S_T is still focused on taking the base. Will start bringing in another Indian Para unit to continue the defense, and will bring some of the now rested Air Forces to provide support. In Aden, the 9th Aus Div begins loading transports to transit to India where it will be employed to seize Akyab. Want to try and seize Akyab for two reasons – 1st, I want to keep L_S_T focused on the frontier fight, expanding troops and planes to defend; 2nd, Akyab AFs bring Magwe in range of short legged a/c. Am also looking to a limited thrust on Shwebo in the center of the front, to at least disrupt the supply flow to IJA forces in the Myitkyina area. Goal remains keep the pressure on in this Theater and attrit the enemy in the air and on the ground. My problem remains, resources remain limited, especially airframes, but they ARE getting better!

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