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Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/6/2016 1:45:11 PM

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I've found some imagery issues with patch 1.08.08. Most might be intentional, but I thought it best to list them. And preferably I'd like to see separate slots for similar types, so I can mod them.

I've marked the ones that seem to be a bug first and foremost (i.e. not similar models and/or for a different start year).

- Same image A0026 used for model Messerschmitt Bf-110G-4 1944 and Bf-110G-4/R8
- Both the F190F and F190-F8 refer to the same image A0044
- *bug* Vanilla image A0070 is NOT of a P-2, but of a civilian C-variant, which is A0068
- *bug* A0466 (Focke Wulf Fw 190 A-6) image is missing completely
- *bug* A0184 IAR 38: Same image used for IAR 39 Recon
- Image A0281 is also used for MIG 1943
- Image A0299 is also used for LAGG-3 11 series
- Same image A0305 used for La-7 1945
- Same image A0331 is used for PE-2R 1943
- Same image A0339 used for IL-4 1943

And is it correct that both slots A0346 and A0556 aren't actually used?

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/6/2016 1:56:33 PM

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As to German ground units:

- Image GP0020 is also used for Pz IV Ausf G 1943
- Image GP0030 is used for both the StuG F and StuGF/8
- GP0043 is also used for Elefant
- *bug* Image GP0054 (SdKfz-221) is also used for SdKfz-223
- Image GP0070 is also used for 76mm anti-tank gun ZiS
- *bug* The 120mm mortar should be mapped to GP0078 rather than GP0077
- *bug* Image GP0124 is also used for 37mm 1944 model. I presume the latter should be mapped to GP0450 instead (now unused). The 1944 model in any case is a dual mount rather than the single mount GP0124 represents
- GP0369 is also used for 76mm Field Gun ZiS

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/6/2016 4:52:13 PM

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Will look at this - in most cases I was too lazy to copy an existing image for direct use and just specified a different photo usage in data.

Edit: 346/556 are stray images

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/6/2016 4:58:19 PM

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Well in true honesty most of the double references do fit the bill, as the equipment is pretty much the same (at least visually). Having said that, I do like to visually differentiate between the two, if possible. You know me...

At least the LaGG 11 series seems somewhat odd, given the fact that the other series do have separate images.

I've just started work on Romania (no hick-ups there yet so far), and have yet to look into the other countries' ground forces. I'll make sure to note any discrepancies as I move along, and report them back.

As to 346/556: figured as much, as I've been through the equipment list with a fine comb. But good to have it confirmed. They're fine as stray images within the line-up, they don't do much harm one way or the other.

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/10/2016 5:29:04 AM

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Some more issues regarding the Italians and Finns:

Italy:
Some bugs in the Italian line-up it seems (not corrected in the 1.09 public beta as of now):
- *bug* Image GP0211 represents the L3/33 Flame Tank (which officially should be called the L3 Lf Flame tank). The model is incorrectly mapped to GP0177 however (i.e. the regular L3/33).
- *bug* Image GP0212 represents the L6/40 Flame Tank (which officially should be called the L6 Lf Flame tank). The model is incorrectly mapped to GP0178 however (i.e. the regular L6/40).
- *bug* Image GP0215 and GP0221 both seem to represent Motorised Rifle Squad. Neither is actually used, it seems. The Motorised Rifle Squad itself is incorrectly mapped to GP0199, i.e. regular Rifle Squad. I went for GP0221 as a base, with a placeholder for GP0215 for good measure.

Finland:
Overall the Finns look pretty much OK. I presume the use of German/Russian/foreign terminology for the weapons rather than the Finnish ones is intentional?
- *debate* GP0150 represents the SG-43 as a replacement machinegun. I can't find any records of the Finns actually using those. They did use plenty of captured M/27 Degtjarev machineguns, even outnumbering the Lahti-Saloranta M/26 by 2:1. Having said that, they could have, if they'd captured enough of them (which they did not).
- *debate* GP0163 represents the 20 ItK/23 (Semag-Oerlikon). The Finns had a whopping four of those, which never saw any real action... Why not opt for the M/39 M Madsen instead, of which they had over 300?
- *bug* GP0164 is stated to be based on the 150mm sFH13. The Finns were using the sFH18 however. Or, in Finnish terms, the 150 H/40.
- Image GP0169 is used for both the 76mm Field Gun ZiS (Fin) and the 76mm field gun F-22.
- *debate* Image GP0462 is supposedly representing the French-built 75-K97. The Finns had 48 of those, all of which remained in storage throughout the conflict... Why not change it into the US-built 75-K17 (75 mm Gun M1917)? It's pretty much the same gun, and the 200+ the Finns had did see extensive action.

And so far I have found no real issues regarding Romania.

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/10/2016 8:38:25 AM

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Finns are hard to model due to using a myriad of different models of similar types/calibers.

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/10/2016 12:07:20 PM

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True... Usually a model represents a mix of all kinds of equipment, by-and-large pretty similar to each other. They certainly would not warrant a large overhaul. Basically some renaming/cloning would do to align things a little bit better. I've labelled them as 'debate' for that very reason. You can't call them bugs, as they aren't that far off to begin with. The Italian issues are much more important than the Finnish ones. The latter is mostly a matter of aligning graphics with the equipment it's supposed to represent. With this kind of game there are bound to be players who notice if things are off, even by a wee bit. And getting imagery for illusive equipment is somewhat of a challenge - not to mention non-existent stuff. And I'd hate to cheat by cloning Soviet or German imagery if remotely possible. That's all.

By the way, I'm somewhat surprised that pretty much everybody has motorized infantry as a separate entity, apart from the Slovaks, which did field a motorized brigade... Intentional?

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/23/2016 9:21:39 AM

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To wrap things up, here are the remainder of the culprits that need some TLC:

Romania:
- *bug* GP0269 (105mm field gun) is also used for 149mm howitzer.

Hungary:
- *debate* the 47mm AT guns are specified as B�hler guns. The Romanians did not use those. Instead they used the 47mm ex-Belgian 4.7cm 36M FRC guns. Well 'used' might be the wrong word, as they proved to be rather cumbersome, but at least they had them. ;)
- *debate* the 149mm Howitzer is listed as a Czech vz.25, which weren't in the Hungarian arsenal. I'd suggest switching/renaming those to Skoda schwere Feldhaubitze M14, M14/35 or M14/39.
- *debate* the 75mm Field Gun is listed as a Schneider mle 1897. I could not find any reference to those in service. I'd suggest switching/renaming them to Belgian-made Canon de 75 mle Tir Rapide (which is a close relative of the Schneider gun, and was fielded by the Hungarians in notable numbers).
- *debate* the 75mm Howitzer is listed as a 75/27, which weren't used by the Hungarians. Suggest switching to the 15M 7,5 cm mountain gun.
- *debate* the 40mm anti-tank gun is listed as 41M, but should be the M�VAG 40M 40 mm.

Soviet:
- *debate* The BT-2 model 1931 and model 1932 (obviously) are classified as separate models by year. In fact things weren't as clear-cut. The BT-2 was produced in three versions in parallel: armed with a single 37mm gun; 37mm gun and one DT machine gun, and twin DP machine guns mount and a single machine gun... So I'd suggest renaming them to BT-2 37mm and BT-2 MG.
- *debate* The T-26 model 1937 should rather be the model 1938 or 1939 methinks (i.e. with the new turret - the 1939 model had the search lights removed the 1938 model introduced, so personally I'd opt for the latter).
- *verification* I doubt the GP0740 model is displaying a T-60 to be honest.
- *debate* I'd suggest renaming the T-28 model 1940 to model 1938... Only 12 of the 1940 model were ever produced (not to mention the resulting lack of good imagery). The 1938 model was produced 200+. Or is 1940 a referral to the slapped-on armor on the T-28C/E model?
- *bug* GP0761 is also used for the Valentine IX (which has quite a different turret, for one).
- *bug* GP0765 represents the early-model SU-76, i.e. with fully enclosed compartment. The Vanilla image depicts a SU-76M instead, with open cupola. As a separate slot it's perfectly fine, the SU-76M is in as a separate entity (image GP0731). It's just the image that's off.
- *bug* GP0766 is also used for the SU-85M.
- *debate* GAZ-AA-37 is based on the 37mm AA gun, of which only four were ever produced... Would suggest swapping it to the 72-K GAZ�MM (i.e. based on the 25mm 72-K rather than a 37mm 61-K). Changing it to GAZ-AA-25 would probably do in terms of a naming scheme (though not the official denominaton).
- *debate* The 85mm AA gun is referred to as the 52-K in Russian, rather than the KS-12.
- *bug* Image GP0812 suspiciously looks like a 100 mm field/anti-tank gun M1944 (BS-3) rather than a 85mm AA gun used in an AT-role...
- *bug* GP0818 should depict a BR-2. I'm not sure what it's displaying, but it sure as heck isn't a BR-2...
- *verification* Similarly GP0822 should depict a B-4. Though hard to tell from the image I presume it is displaying something else...
- *bug* GP1501 is both used for Support and Air Support. I introduced GP1601 as a preliminary image slot for Air Support (which is unused, based on my WitW copy).

By and large that should be it model-wise, based on patch 1.08.08 and the 1.09 Public Beta... As far as I've been able to determine these aren't actually used:
GP0240 - Vanilla image depicts a Romanian armored car
GP0340 - Vanilla image depicts a Slovakian light tank
GP0376 - Vanilla image depicts a Slovakian railway gun
GP0848 - Vanilla image depicts a Soviet Lend-Lease M17 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/23/2016 11:53:27 AM

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Many issues reported here should be fixed in the upcoming patch. Don't know if the issues from last report will make it too.
ROM is fixed
HUN
47mm - I don't have reliable data for the BEL gun but judging from Wiki the performance is very similar. So nobody bothered to create a device for it. Will probably simply copy the Boehler device and rename it. Image probably shows the BEL gun already.
149mm - performance probably similar to vz.25 or a tad less (information very weak) so I'll copy the device and rename it with a slight range decrease
75mm Schneider - close relative is good enough for me
75mm changed to vz.15
40mm already split into 40M (towed) and 41M (turret mount)
SOV
I don't want to fiddle with these useless old tanks
T-26 - can't find reference to M1937 so M1938 sounds reasonable
T-60 looks ok for me
The T-24 M1940 is likely intended for uparmored older models
Valentine fixed
SU-76 - can't tell from that image
SU-85 fixed
GAZ-AA - not nice. Of the 25mm variant only 200 were reported as produced. Will request feedback from other devs.
85mm - widely reported with both designations, probably company designation vs official (like Me 109 vs Bf 109)
85mm AT - may be so but gun is of no real importance in-game (even removed in WitE2)
B-4 and support fixed

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/23/2016 12:52:53 PM

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HUN
47mm: it does indeed show the Belgian 4.7cm 36M FRC already.
75mm Schneider: the Belgian gun was in fact a license-built copy of the Krupp M 1905 gun (export version). The range was slightly more than the Mle 1897 (9,900 metres vs 8,500 metres).

SOV:
SU-76: this is the SU-76 early... As you can see the cupola is completely enclosed. Whilst this is the SU-76M... If you look closely the back-end of the Vanilla image is the giveaway. Not that it matters much, I've included the correct one in my line-up.

GAZ-AA: fair enough. The Vanilla image is of a 25mm, by the way. And you're right about approx. 200 of the 25mm model being built. Having said that, it sure beats a whopping four of the 37mm model.

For reference, see this link.
85mm AT: noted. Should you need a matching image however, you can find one here. I sure did...

And as long as the blatant image ID issues (either wrong or missing) are fixed I'm a happy camper - the rest is minor stuff anyway. But I reckoned it best to mention them regardless.

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/23/2016 4:26:26 PM

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SOV SP-Flak plans:
AAMG trucks end production in 6/41, build limit halved (game starts with 2k+ in service out of ~2k reported as produced
GAZ-MM with 25mm takes over, squeezing the 200 into ~6 months
create a new SP Flak with 12.7mm AAMG at low production rate
All this done in 3 facs, not 5

Do you have an an improved version of the vanilla 772 image actually showing a 12.7mm equipped truck and would it be possible to use it (and your updated AAMG truck image) in WitE?

http://wio.ru/galgrnd/flak/spflak.htm

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/23/2016 5:20:37 PM

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Sure - actually I was mistaken, the GP0773 Vanilla image already displays a 12.7mm gaz-AAA DShK rather than the 25mm version... Albeit mirrored from the original source image (why I don't know). Both source images are on the very site you've cited. You're welcome to use my 25mm photo. It isn't blurred like the rest of the Vanilla images, however, and the Sepia hue is considerable lighter. Alternatively you can use the same source image and redo it Vanilla style.

So the GAZ-AAA Maxim gets the boot image-wise? Or is the DshK one squeezed in as a new slot next to the Maxim and 25mm?

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RE: Imagery issues with patch 1.08.08 - 9/23/2016 6:13:09 PM

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The GAZ-AAMG stays but needs a matching image (already in your set), the GAZ-MM replaces the 37mm version and a ZiS-AAMG version with 12.7mm MG is created at #844. Plus a 25mm AAA at #843.

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