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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/9/2016 9:05:35 AM   
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While reading "The Elephant Vanishes" (Obvert's) AAR yesterday, I noticed that his game is at 1/21/44, two months ahead of my game.

The point totals in the two games are wildly, dramatically different. This game has been much bloodier than his. That is a reflection of the nonstop action between the two sides. Since late spring of '42, neither side has been separated and there have been no lulls. We've constantly been at each other's throats from the Bay of Bengal to Sumatra to the Marshalls, Gilberts, Wake Island and now eastern DEI.

The real question is whether this is an effective way for an Allied player to wage war. I think it is. I think John's naval forces are teetering on collapse. If that's true, the payoff should become obvious in '44 as the Allies move forward from the ongoing DEI campaign.

We'll see.



Fun to look in here and see that your game has restarted. Congrats on your persuasive efforts!

Also interesting to see this comparison for me. Your game has indeed been bloodier, and the Allies much more aggressive and intent on pushing Japan to the limit. Historiker had some great moments early in his defensive phase, then suffered some setbacks in the transition to offence that slowed the game for extended periods.

Once Joseph took over it's gotten much more interesting again, and I the Allies seem again looking purposeful and steady, leading well-planned ops moving forward.

One item you didn't mention also is that the Japanese base points in your game are quite low. That will really help you as you turn the tide and can begin pushing back there, but really also that he doesn't have a buffer of points to cushion the blows to come. He also will not have had the additional supply/HI points China can provide.

The ship losses in your game are insane!!

One question: you've got some nice PPs waiting there to spend. What are you buying?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/9/2016 9:07:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Look at the difference in points for bases. John has nearly as many bases as Obvert, but only half the points! I don't think Obvert's perimeter is bigger, so my assumption is that he's worked hard building high-value bases while John's neglected doing so.


Ahh, I see now as I read down you do mention this. That was my original thought, but it's most likely China and some lack of preparation combined.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/9/2016 11:24:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The political points are to buy restricted Australian divisions. There are four divisions prepped for Merauke, Horn Island and Port Moresby. They, and a host of other units, are prepositioned at Normanton, Cairns and Townsville. As soon as the Allied carriers and transports are finished with Big Tent in the DEI (probably a month or two), they'll retire to Oz and handle that next wave of invasions (Operation "Third Ring.") There's a massive amount of fuel waiting in northern Oz too, along with reinforcing combat ships.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/10/2016 3:12:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's great - if you can keep up the momentum. I expect John will continue to try to counter-punch as best as he can (though he options are probably limited to a single theater or advance). If you can hit him from multiple angles, he won't be able to respond effectively.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 2:08:38 AM   
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Big Tent: An unusually quite day in the midst of the storm; meaning, no major frays. That was good, because I needed the day for logistics more than anything.

KB seems to have retired to Babeldaob, probably to refuel. With it up there and probably devoting tomorrow to the refueling, the Allies are going to cut short logistics and resume offensive measures in the Ceram Sea and Banda Sea. If things go right, there will be one fast transport invasion tomorrow and two "real" invasions the day after.

Starting tomorrow, the divisions prepped for Ambon can load for amphibious ops. D-Day for that could be in four days or thereabouts.

I think John is hoping for a CAP trap at Ternate, where he has 186 fighters and no strike aircraft. I don't want to give it to him, so I'll continue tinkering with my range settings. There were a few small air encounters today, including a small raid (probably from Ambon) that went up against vast number of Allied fighters, got chewed up, but still managed to somehow penetrate and sink a TK.

Nabire airfield (New Guinea) should go to level one in about four days. That will allow me to move even short-range fighters directly from Oz to the Big Tent AOO.

Satawal, the dot hex near Wolei taken at the beginning of the op, is still in Allied hands and flying patrols in the heart of the Japanese AOO - Truk, Saipan, Babeldaob etc. PBYs from Morotai and Sorong also get good coverage of the Babeldaob region. John will surely invade Satawal soon.

I think I'll have a brief window to try to accomplish a few things before John's forces coalesce in sufficient strength (with logistics attended to, like replenishing). I hope that, by the time he returns, Boela will be a level one airfield, Sorong a level three, and Nabire a level one.

There are so many things to do!




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 5:57:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		While piddling around in forums old and new yesterday, I discovered that in 2005, I played (or at least started) an Uncommon Valor game against Marky!

That got me to thinking about my most recent AE opponents. John III is still here and may (or may not) get back into our game (that's still to be seen). With him teetering on the edge of retirement, I seem to be developing a penchant for driving good, veteran players completely away from the game. The list of my last four opponents: Q-Ball, Chez-da-Jez, Panzerjager Hortlund, John III.

John's making a good faith effort to resume the game and has thus far sent two turns. I think another may come today. Our plan is to try to develop a rhythm. It might work, but to this point John's body language still suggests he's not into it. I don't think he will be until something favorable happens for Japan or he comes up with a promising plan. He's not hanging around the forum right now, the surest sign of all that he's not into the game. But the two sides are in such close and perilous proximity that something's bound to happen to energize him sooner or later. If that doesn't get him back into the flow, nothing will...and another AE player will have bitten the dust.

Perhaps I need to get in touch with Miller. We last played in 2010, and he's still hanging around.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 6:04:46 PM   
Canoerebel


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 6:52:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Nemo used to pick up abandoned games and said if he ever came back he would play you. If John retires I think it is worth an email. IF you don't have his address I expect someone on the forum does. Now that would be something to watch

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 6:54:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		J3 called me this morning, so I'm trying to keep him encouraged about your game. If he doesn't get enthused about yours, then there is no hope about his and my game.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 7:13:35 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Michael, I don't see why this game would affect your game. If John doesn't regain his enthusiasm for this one, he'll likely resign. That would leave him free (or more free) to resume his match with you.

John D., that would be an interesting proposition if John III did resign (let me emphasize: I hope he doesn't). But I'd sweat bullets if a player like Nemo stepped in. An elite level player who didn't suffer from morale problems due to a string of defeats would turn Big Tent into a Big Noose.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 7:49:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's why switched games can be so interesting. The good players play the game against the other players tendencies. This current game is one of the more aggressive ones I've seen. Been a while since I read a Nemo game but I suspect you would not play him that way and if you did he would have given you enough rope to hang yourself with. Actually, I think your current operation is now fairly safe but it was out there on the end of the branch for a bit

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 8:06:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought that John was experiencing some medical problems. That could account for a lack of enthusiasm.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 8:11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		John's had some tests run. Fortunately, they've been good to date, though there are more to be run. But I think his health is good. Hopefully that remains the case.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 10:11:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Michael, I don't see why this game would affect your game. If John doesn't regain his enthusiasm for this one, he'll likely resign. That would leave him free (or more free) to resume his match with you.

John D., that would be an interesting proposition if John III did resign (let me emphasize: I hope he doesn't). But I'd sweat bullets if a player like Nemo stepped in. An elite level player who didn't suffer from morale problems due to a string of defeats would turn Big Tent into a Big Noose.


Let me just say that I disagree with this assessment.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 11:34:32 PM   
Canoerebel


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I swear, it's time to reconstitute the long-absent Kangaroo Court.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 11:40:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think one of the political parties feels there are enough kangaroos on the court already and is going to block any further appointments. Perhaps we will see some Tasmanian Devils appointed and the court will become effective again!




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/11/2016 11:44:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

John's had some tests run. Fortunately, they've been good to date, though there are more to be run. But I think his health is good. Hopefully that remains the case.


Maybe I should have said health concerns. I only know what he writes in his AAR. Glad to hear his tests are coming back good.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 12:19:49 AM   
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It's my AAR, so you can't disagree with my assessments.

I swear, it's time to reconstitute the long-absent Kangaroo Court.

Why do you think so ?


Ah did I mention I recently watched Pearl Harbor ? Its a wonderfull film isnt it ?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 12:59:18 AM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Well, Ben Affleck is in it. Need I say more? And if you liked it, you'll surely enjoy Cold Mountain, Dances with Wolves, Wind Talkers, and Kelly's Heroes.

Ye who doubt the wisdom of the Kangaroo Court, be gone.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 1:18:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Marky did an AAR for our match. With six total posts, it was a work of art: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=791457


I tried to post in that old thread. Senior moment. Has it been eleven years? Marky was quite a piece of work. Really the only person that I greened button that I can remember. Felt sorry for him though. He did admit that he suffered from Bi-polar disorder.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 1:19:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		An unusual aspect of Big Tent is the number of transport-mode TFs carrying troops in strategic mode. I did this to maximize troop capacity, on the belief that the operation would take months and that efficiency was paramount. It's too early in Big Tent to know whether this was wise or not. The drawback is that I have a host of TFs following the carriers and combat ships like scared puppies, because the ports taken thus far were too small to unload rapidly, and the main body kept moving on rapidly to expand the perimeter as quickly as possible before stiff resistance showed up. Each of the four key bases taken thus far, Manikwari, Sorong, Morotai and Boela, has a big and well-prepared infantry division plus engineers. But there are lots of support troops still aboard ships. More importantly, there are second wave troops aboard ships - these bound for other important objectives. Thus far, I've only had time to unload 1.67 follow up divisions - one US Army and two Marine RCT. These are about to go into action.

A weird aspect of Big Tent was that it caught KB down in the Solomons. I'd expected John to keep it interposed between Death Star and his vitals. So when KB came steaming up the north New Guinea coast, that was an unexpected but pleasant surprise. It prompted me to shift quickly from the northern targets to the southern ones.

The earliest planning for Big Tent envisioned moving from the Sorong region east along the north New Guinea coast, invading additional targets like Sarmi, Vanimo and Manus. When the ships left Pearl Harbor, the troops slated for these targets were aboard, but already the preferred route was to (eventually) depart the Sorong/Boela region and make for northern Oz via the Torres Strait. When KB showed up on NG's north coast, this finalized that route and prompted a series of quick invasions of places like Dabo, Taberfane and Kai-eilenden in preparation for such a move.

That's where we are today. I've a turn fresh from John, which I'll be running in a moment. I'll report back with an update in awhile.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 1:22:44 AM   
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I tried to post in that old thread. Senior moment. Has it been eleven years? Marky was quite a piece of work. Really the only person that I greened button that I can remember. Felt sorry for him though. He did admit that he suffered from Bi-polar disorder.


Well thank goodness you couldn't post there. That would have been a new low in necro-thread-mania. A Kangaroo Court would've had a field day with you, Ross.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 2:22:48 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 3:16:27 AM   
Canoerebel


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Big Tent: Another quietly momentous day. KB is moving away from the Big Tent AOO, which is a real surprise.

No major clashes today, but a few enemy aircraft sortie ineffectively (except scoring one hit on a DD posted at Ambon). Death Star CAP downs roughly 35 Franks and Judys.

The snap fast transport invasion of Batjas (a dot hex near Ternate) goes in without opposition. The base should fall tomorrow.

Two more dot hex invasions set for tomorrow, along with the invasion of Namlea. This is a "target of opportunity" invasion. It wasn't originally a target. But it has just 2k troops. Slated to invade are two Marine RCT that were brought along at the last minute. They aren't prepped, so disruption will be high. We'll see what's there.

A US Army division prepping for Ambon begins loading at Boela tonight. That should take two or three days. So the invasion of Ambon could take place in roughly four to five days (unless KB shows back up).

Boela airfield jumps to level one today. That was a pleasant surprise. One squadron each of Corsairs and Thunderbolts move here to protect the shipping.

Nabire (western New Guinea dot hex) is at 81% to level one - probably about three days. That's key, because I want to move some Spitfires in to help with CAP.

Operation Third Ring: Bombing continues at Merauke, Horn Island and Port Moresby, with CAP only at the latter.

Operation Carnival: Back in the Marshalls, USN DDs sank an IJN sub near Ailinglaplap. Transports carrying reinforcing troops to invade Kwajalein are inbound, though I'm not yet sure I'm going through with that. Very badly damaged BB Washington is making her way to Pearl, roughly five to six days out. If she makes it home, that will be reason to celebrate. She was damaged about three months ago during the first invasion of Kwaj and holed up at Maloelap for months, pumping out water.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 4:04:14 AM   
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I would just like to say that I had no idea the green button did anything until now ;]

It is a very useful tool.

on the main subject---
I hope this game continues. I appreciate Canoerebel's method of presentation (working on plans in the back ground and then revealing them as the play unfolds).

I am more of the JFB side, but I lurk and learn from players on both sides of the conflict. Your choices of axis of attack, the ports you target and objectives help me prepare for my own PBEM battles. Thanks for your effort to keep the game alive and the extra work in presenting it for us to enjoy.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 4:06:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's hope John stays active. Does Boela have enough supply to move by barge to those red !s to the south?

I beg to differ on "Kelly's Heroes" (i.e. it shouldn't be lumped in with all those other wastes of celluloid). You have to think of it as a bank heist flick set in wartime, not as a war movie. It's got some classic lines and a great cast.

Cheers,
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 4:13:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Boela is a level two port. I've built about seven barge TFs to distribute supply - so many barges that they can't all load. Each turn, about two TFs leaves. To this point, I've sent them north, since that's the ground most likely to be contested soonest. But eventually I'll get supply to those islands to the east and southeast. I can't work on Boela's port size until the airfield is big enough to provide stout CAP. That'll be at least ten days, maybe two weeks.

My father, a WWII vet, hated Kelly's Heroes. I grew up under his tutelage, so it's no surprise I feel the same. I strongly dislike movies that take a more modern "vibe" and set it back in a distant historical period. Kelly's Heroes definitely does that - it's hippies in a WWII setting. My father didn't like it for that reason. I felt the same way about Dances with Wolves and Cold Mountain.

Edited to Ad: I realize many forumites like Kelly's Heroes. My opinion isn't to suggest that they're wrong and I'm right. It's a subjective matter. But the movie is like fingernails on a blackboard for me.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 4:17:03 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 4:18:03 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 10/12/2016 4:19:15 AM   
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