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ORIGINAL: Viktor_Kormel

Inspired by another thread and just for discussion pleasure, which are the optional rules that you never play with?

mine:

1) art units, construction engineers, cruisers in flames...too much units, MWIF is an strategig game, aux and support units are tacticals things, too much complexity, little fun.
2)limited sea supply, too much unbalancing and too much complexity again
3)carpet bommbing, what? and entire corps destroyed by strategic bombers, it never happened, it is a madness.
4)HQ movement, slower advances, borer games.
5)in the presence of the enemy, sure the sea is not my basin, it´s ridiculous
6)bottomed ships, port attacks are enough bads to make them weaker

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14
6. Additional Chinese Cities

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

1. Limited Overseas Supply
2. 2d10 Land CRT
3. Construction Engineers

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

1. Limited Overseas Supply
2. 2d10 Land CRT
3. Construction Engineers

I'm interested in why you don't like the 2D10 CRT. It gives a reasonable approximation of the Normal Distribution. I believe there's an optional 3D10 CRT in WiF somewhere and that's an even better approximation to the Normal.

In wargaming terms, this means a higher probability of average results and a lower probability of extreme results; which is how the real world works.

Cheers, Neilster

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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Why do you not like this rule? With the larger map size (i.e., smaller map scale) for Asia/China in MWiF versus WiF I would have thought that this rule is almost mandatory so I've never considered not playing without it. Wouldn't you have major supply issues without these additional cities?

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

1. Limited Overseas Supply
2. 2d10 Land CRT
3. Construction Engineers

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

1. Limited Overseas Supply
2. 2d10 Land CRT
3. Construction Engineers

warspite1

I was going to say China attack weakness but I have not played enough games - and certainly not when the USA enters the war - to know whether this is required or not. As above a few people have mentioned, the additional Chinese cities is a big bonus for China.

One to keep an eye on (as is Additional Chinese Cities).

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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Why do you not like this rule? With the larger map size (i.e., smaller map scale) for Asia/China in MWiF versus WiF I would have thought that this rule is almost mandatory so I've never considered not playing without it. Wouldn't you have major supply issues without these additional cities?

I have to give credit to Brian for pointing this out to me. There are just way too many cities added, if it were just a few more, fine...but it gives the Chinese way too much of a supply/defensive advantage and also a lot of additional rolls for US entry. The Axis should get a big optional rule compensation if playing with this.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

I think, that since most need divisions to play with the 2d10 table, shows that the 2d10 is flawed.

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When playing with the additional Chinese cities the US entry value for capturing the cities are modified. US Entry Action die rolls for capturing Chinese cities are also affected. Instead of the normal 1 to 4 (i.e., 40%) it is 1 to 2 + the number of factories in the hex. This means that a city without a factory has a 20% chance of causing a US Entry chit to be drawn, while Sian (with 1 factory) has a 30% chance and Chungking (with 2 factories) has a 40% chance.

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I think, that since most need divisions to play with the 2d10 table, shows that the 2d10 is flawed.

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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When playing with the additional Chinese cities the US entry value for capturing the cities are modified. US Entry Action die rolls for capturing Chinese cities are also affected. Instead of the normal 1 to 4 (i.e., 40%) it is 1 to 2 + the number of factories in the hex. This means that a city without a factory has a 20% chance of causing a US Entry chit to be drawn, while Sian (with 1 factory) has a 30% chance and Chungking (with 2 factories) has a 40% chance.

But my analysis is this:

At game start there are originally 9 cities controlled by the Chinese that the Japanese can take. 25 new cities have been added (10 of which the Japanese start the game with). So the Japanese are looking at the possibility of taking 15 more cities all with rolls of 1-2 for US entry (30 points?).

Subtract from the 30 the reduction in US entry die roll points due factory totals = 10. So there are 20 additional die roll points Japan is at risk of rolling US entry for.

I don't mind the "new" cities the Japs begin the game with under their control, but the 15 "new" cities the Chinese start the game with is way too many, should be more like 5 to keep it neutral to the board game.

My apologies if my numbers and analysis are off.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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When playing with the additional Chinese cities the US entry value for capturing the cities are modified. US Entry Action die rolls for capturing Chinese cities are also affected. Instead of the normal 1 to 4 (i.e., 40%) it is 1 to 2 + the number of factories in the hex. This means that a city without a factory has a 20% chance of causing a US Entry chit to be drawn, while Sian (with 1 factory) has a 30% chance and Chungking (with 2 factories) has a 40% chance.

But my analysis is this:

At game start there are originally 9 cities controlled by the Chinese that the Japanese can take. 25 new cities have been added (10 of which the Japanese start the game with). So the Japanese are looking at the possibility of taking 15 more cities all with rolls of 1-2 for US entry (30 points?).

Subtract from the 30 the reduction in US entry die roll points due factory totals = 10. So there are 20 additional die roll points Japan is at risk of rolling US entry for.

I don't mind the "new" cities the Japs begin the game with under their control, but the 15 "new" cities the Chinese start the game with is way too many, should be more like 5 to keep it neutral to the board game.

My apologies if my numbers and analysis are off.

It depends whether or not the Japanese decide to take all those cities from the Chinese if they go for a conquest of China.

Where in the boardgame the Japanese have to take almost all cities, in the MWIF map, they can decide to ignore certain cities, because they are to far away from the action at that time. So that compensates for this somewhat.
Also, there is a lesser chance of succes on the US entry die rolls when playing with those cities. Now, I wasn't around at the time this decision was made, but I believe that there were a lot of calculations, to see what the result of adding those extra cities was going to be to US entry. The goal her was to make the average end result for US entry in China more or less the same as in the boardgame itself.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

I agree with Viktor except on Arty units (always use), Limited Overseas Supply (always use) and In the Presence of the Enemy (always use but understand this one is really polarized in terms of different player's views).
Also would never want to use (some of these are in WiF but not MWiF):
- Railway Movement Bonus
- Hitler's War
- Food in Flames
- Japanese Command Conflict
- Convoys in Flames
- Surprised - No ZoC
- Rough Seas
- V-weapons and A-bombs
- Heavy Weapons Units
- Air Cav
- The Ukraine
- Flying Bombs
- En Route and Limited Aircraft Interception
- Intelligence
- Recruitment Limits