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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 5:08:37 PM   
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United Kingdom and France
In Malta I am able to upgrade the Malta garrison's AA capability - Note the little white 1 in the bottom right hand corner.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 5:27:21 PM   
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France and the United Kingdom
The Mediterranean Fleet and their French counterparts of the Force du Raide remain at sea hoping for some sign of the Regia Marina.

The French Atlantic Fleet are ordered to the Mediterranean - although they probably won't get there before France falls

Atlantic Fleet - Admiral Rene-Emile Godfroy
BB - Bretagne (Flagship) Courbet, Lorraine, Provence
CA - 3rd (Heavy) Cruiser Squadron (Duguay Trouin, Primaguet, Tourville, Colbert)

Meanwhile, ignoring France as a battle lost, the British continue the slow build up of forces in Egypt.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 5:40:01 PM   
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The Italian Front looks decidedly sick. The Italian Army on steroids has taken Nice and only an Engineer unit garrisons the main naval base at Toulon.


Best Brucie Impression: Eugghhhh Nice to see you, to see you Nice...



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 5:48:51 PM   
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France and the United Kingdom
The British pull back to Le Havre and environs in the hope that something of the BEF may be saveable...

The French abandon the Maginot Line, but there just are not enough units to defend Paris.

The French buy an Army and the British buy nothing.

The RAF is pulled back to Northern England where hopefully a) they will be out of range and b) they can learn to fly.....


Gamelin: Where eez my bloody army gone nest pas?
Lord Gort: I say, good question old boy. I appear to have lost mine too. It was around here somewhere a few days ago, what?



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 8:12:37 PM   
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The RAF is pulled back to Northern England where hopefully a) they will be out of range and b) they can learn to fly.....


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must be a random element at play as I am culling German tactical bombers at a nice rate with the RAF.

Maybe its because I left them in the UK and thus they can go to the pub after a day's work?

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 8:15:34 PM   
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The RAF is pulled back to Northern England where hopefully a) they will be out of range and b) they can learn to fly.....


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must be a random element at play as I am culling German tactical bombers at a nice rate with the RAF.

Maybe its because I left them in the UK and thus they can go to the pub after a day's work?
warspite1

Mine are in the UK too. Maybe I've got the setting wrong or haven't researched upgrades quickly enough. Whatever the reason they are losing 2-3 points per attack


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 8:27:50 PM   
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Irritatingly, bearing in mind my troops could not advance into Narvik last turn, the German garrison has reinforced and moved back into the town.

I found out the FAA aircraft were not in range of Narvik which is why I could not get them to fly.... As a result the RN send their carriers into Vestfjord to try and soften up the Narvik defenders. Their contribution is negligible and the attack by the Anglo-French forces investing the town is not much better.....





Reinforcement AND movement in one turn shouldn't be possible.
So this would be a bug, if you ask me.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 8:30:07 PM   
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Reinforcement AND movement in one turn shouldn't be possible.
So this would be a bug, if you ask me.
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What is? As far as I know I haven't been able to? Can you confirm what post you are referring to please?

EDIT: Ah I see you meant the Germans - yes its a bit odd isn't it?


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 8:39:21 PM   
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The RAF is pulled back to Northern England where hopefully a) they will be out of range and b) they can learn to fly.....


..


must be a random element at play as I am culling German tactical bombers at a nice rate with the RAF.

Maybe its because I left them in the UK and thus they can go to the pub after a day's work?
warspite1

Mine are in the UK too. Maybe I've got the setting wrong or haven't researched upgrades quickly enough. Whatever the reason they are losing 2-3 points per attack



With or without an HQ? That's a big difference. Also upgrade levels matter alot. Morale, supply, etc.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 8:44:42 PM   
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The RAF is pulled back to Northern England where hopefully a) they will be out of range and b) they can learn to fly.....


..


must be a random element at play as I am culling German tactical bombers at a nice rate with the RAF.

Maybe its because I left them in the UK and thus they can go to the pub after a day's work?
warspite1

Mine are in the UK too. Maybe I've got the setting wrong or haven't researched upgrades quickly enough. Whatever the reason they are losing 2-3 points per attack



With or without an HQ? That's a big difference. Also upgrade levels matter alot. Morale, supply, etc.

warspite1

My money is on morale. My units know they have a useless twat in charge - loki's know they have someone they respect and trust.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/21/2016 9:12:07 PM   
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The RAF is pulled back to Northern England where hopefully a) they will be out of range and b) they can learn to fly.....


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must be a random element at play as I am culling German tactical bombers at a nice rate with the RAF.

Maybe its because I left them in the UK and thus they can go to the pub after a day's work?
warspite1

Mine are in the UK too. Maybe I've got the setting wrong or haven't researched upgrades quickly enough. Whatever the reason they are losing 2-3 points per attack



oh I'm taking similar losses but seeing nice explosion markers on the Germans so I assume something good is happening

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 4:17:55 PM   
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Mmmm General Billottes's French First Army Group has effectively ceased to exist - Giroud's 7th Army and Blanchard's 1st Army have been destroyed (Corap's 9th Army having previously gone the same way) and the BEF is in disarray. Lt-General Adams III Corps was destroyed defending the Somme river line and the remaining two corps are little but shells.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 4:37:07 PM   
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The British build a Motor Torpedo Boat flotilla. This is based in Portsmouth.

United Kingdom and France
The Anglo-French force continue to pound away at Dietl's mountain troops. The Germans retreat once again - let's hope they don't reinforce again.

France
The Italians look worryingly like an effective fighting force.....


Italian tankettes storm through the mountain passes.



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 4:54:31 PM   
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The 4th Destroyer Flotilla comes across a U-boat wolf pack. The German subs withdraw - but not before taking some losses. The British destroyer continues on, only to run into a second pack...


A superdooper wolf pack



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 5:04:23 PM   
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The French decide to try and entice the Italians to sea by bombarding the Italian army along the French Riviera. The bombarding does no good - let's see what the Regia Marina think of this development.

The Royal Navy meanwhile take the opportunity to bombard Italian positions on Sardinia using both ships and aircraft. This too is rather unsuccessful.

In doing so however, the British hope to be able to ambush the RM if they sortie.


Message to Campioni - "Come and have a go if you think your hard enough!"



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 5:09:19 PM   
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I think its fair to say that things could be better for the Anglo-French armies....




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 5:20:41 PM   
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The Allies are going to lose - but they are not going down without a fight.......

Firstly the fighters of Luftflotte I have been left exposed. The French 3rd Army and VI Corps are ordered to attack - with reasonable results. Meanwhile XI Corps were hoping to outflank the Germans from the north but they ran into determined resistance from the crack 1st Falschirmjager which blunted any further progress.

Alsace-Lorraine is abandoned but there is no way the French units can get to Paris. Therefore on the left wing the Royal Air Force are ordered to target VIII Corps, southeast of Rouen, in the hope that a French tank force, led by one Colonel Charles De Gaulle, could force them back.

With the German fighters having already been busy thanks to a diversionary attack by the French 6th Bombardment Group, there was little to impede the Battles and Blenheims of the Advanced Striking Force or the Wellingtons of Bomber Command.

De Gaulle's tanks make short work of the remaining elements of VIII Corps. The British were going to leg it, but seeing this spirited defence mounted by this Frenchman made them think again. It no doubt means the destruction of the BEF but.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 5:22:11 PM   
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I think its fair to say that things could be better for the Anglo-French armies....

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wee warning from some recent bitter experience, when France gives up make sure you have plenty of UK MPPs and all your ground units in ports ready to run. Its not just you'll lose them but also the Germans seem to get some massive bonus for destroying anything left.

Next game when I get to your current state, France is on its own ...

impressed with your naval operations ... nice gambit in the Med

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 5:39:40 PM   
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With all the French having moved - the only thing for them to spend points on is the units in the south.

The British research ASW and save the remaining MPP.

USA
The Americans research Advanced Aircraft

USSR
The Soviets have too little to spend

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/22/2016 5:40:18 PM   
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I think its fair to say that things could be better for the Anglo-French armies....

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wee warning from some recent bitter experience, when France gives up make sure you have plenty of UK MPPs and all your ground units in ports ready to run. Its not just you'll lose them but also the Germans seem to get some massive bonus for destroying anything left.

Next game when I get to your current state, France is on its own ...

impressed with your naval operations ... nice gambit in the Med
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Too late See earlier post!


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 2:55:11 AM   
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wee warning from some recent bitter experience, when France gives up make sure you have plenty of UK MPPs and all your ground units in ports ready to run. Its not just you'll lose them but also the Germans seem to get some massive bonus for destroying anything left.

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Not sure I understand what you are saying? I get that it costs MPP to transport units, but I do not understand the rest of that. Thanks

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 3:31:07 AM   
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Once France falls, they'll won't move very far. (One hex IIRC). If they're not at a port, they're not going to get out. I wonder if it's better not to land the BEF at all.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 3:45:19 AM   
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Once France falls, they'll won't move very far. (One hex IIRC). If they're not at a port, they're not going to get out. I wonder if it's better not to land the BEF at all.


Check my AAR for the awnser to that. Yes to landing at least 5 units for morale purpose. Keep them near a port. As soon as the Germans come near Paris bail out. If the French surrender you are in hostile territory.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 8:12:22 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 9:46:38 AM   
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As feared... the BEF has been totally destroyed.


Wow. That's a *massive* setback.
Nothing you can't handle I trust.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 6:24:57 PM   
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The British were enveloped from the northwest when the Germans took Le Havre. Caught in the open the remaining understrength divisions of the I and II Corps were destroyed in detail by the German armour.

Meanwhile the German XXI Corps spearheaded the push toward Bourges in a bid to turn the breach in the French lines into a chasm that would split the French in two.

They say every picture paints a thousand words. Well the following picture paints one word....and its not a very nice word either boys and girls!



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 6:39:03 PM   
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The Germans get a clean sweep! With the loss of Huntiger's 2nd Army, and the remnants of the BEF, the entirety of Billotte's First Army Group ceased to exist.

The butchers bill....



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 6:48:15 PM   
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Sadly the Italian Navy has not taken the bait and are no doubt waiting for better opportunities. Either that or Supermarina refused to let Campioni out to play. Either way its very frustrating - especially as the Italian army seems very overpowered compared to historically....




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 7:11:34 PM   
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At sea the German wolf packs are dealing a devastating blow the Allied destroyer force too.



Anyway. That's enough of the doom and gloom. Time for the good news.....

......

...well that's a bit of a blow. There is no good news.....

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/23/2016 7:30:26 PM   
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There was one brief glimmer of hope. General Wavell in Cairo got a report that his Western Desert Force, advancing west, had taken a key town.

Joy however turned to red-faced incandescent rage when the town that was gloriously captured was found in fact to be the Egyptian town of Mersa Matruh......


I say, does anyone know where Libya is? Whoops!



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