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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/13/2016 5:39:10 PM

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Turn 33 : 29 January 1941. Last turn of january already !!

Still blizzard

It is so pleasant to see german troops at this level of fighting. I'am beginning to convince myself that it will never change. The horrors of 1941 fade from my memories.

Unfortunately i still have to deal with german counter attacks to my offensives.

North of moscow, i do not think i will be able to make further progress. Looks how my best divisions got crushed without having time to dig.

In the south, there is still hope south of Tula, but not much. The battle at least is bloody.

In crimea, my elite coastal army manage this time to hold. But not to dig.
I have no chance to hold here past winter and some of my best troops, like the guard mountain division are here. I may consider falling back to easier defensive position soon. I especially need this mountain division in caucasus, where i already created an elite-All-Mountain-divisions army.

This turn, one of my support unit, have been destroyed. (An artillery regiment). I was not expecting support units to be destroyed without encerclement. I guess the unit shattered. I have to be carefull of this too.

Last, this :

My I-type fighters were not upgrading to better type althought in "upgrade only" configuration. So i tried the "fully automatic" configuration.
It worked perfectly as you can see.

I'am not s�re if it is an "upgrade option" bug or if i do not understand the feature, but this move save me a lot of PP.

I'am beginning to think that it is not very efficient, time consumption wise to micromanage to much the air force relative to its efficiency. I will delegate/automatise a lot more thing in the future. It will save me time.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/14/2016 7:38:10 AM

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In the north of moscow your opponent attacked with TEN divisions against your few guards divisions, 130k men against 30k, so the result shouldn't surprise you. The fire phase causes a lot of disruption on your few units when the enemy are so many.
You can do the same against him, often if you bomb twice his troops with Il-2 before attacking and than attack with the same CV as he has (but outnumber him), you get the doubled CV and win the same the battle.

For the planes : Upgrade means that your unit only upgrade to the specific model set in the upgrade-line (and you still have not those models in production, that's way your units were stuck to oldest models). Automatic means that your units can upgrade to ALL better models (sometimes also to worse ones if your good pools are empty) that's way many of them upgraded this turn.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/14/2016 9:01:17 AM

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The downside of automatic for air group is that sometimes, the air group downgrade. For example to UV-2 WW1 tactical bomber

Currently, i have no IL-2 at all. I had to evacuate the factory to minimal (one point) and it is not repaired yet.
Same thing for all my factories.
I have no BM rocket launcher. And not a lot tank yet.

All my ground support is performed with level bombers.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/14/2016 9:40:53 PM

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Turn 34 : 05 February 1941

A normal turn with local but effective nazi counter attacks. (Although costly for them).

South of moscow my troops reached Tula, but will probably fail to encercle and take it.
There are too much elite troops here.

In crimea, german unexpected renforcement arrived with motorized troops !! At least 4 good divisions.

The resistance of the coastal army was heroic, but now it is time to run. If it is not too late.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/15/2016 3:59:58 AM

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Don't forget that your SAD's are now disbanding at a rate of 3 per week and the aircraft on them will be sent to the reserves.

And Pelton will attack as soon as March arrives. That's only 4 weeks away.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/15/2016 7:32:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Don't forget that your SAD's are now disbanding at a rate of 3 per week and the aircraft on them will be sent to the reserves.

And Pelton will attack as soon as March arrives. That's only 4 weeks away.

I do not really have SAD base anymore i already disbanded them in 1941.

1942 will be hard.
To defend moscow i have to keep huge forces here, so my line are not very good in the south.

If Pelton send an infantry only attack around moscow and send mobile forces in the south, he may still take moscow and destroy me too in the south where many troops can be encercled.

It will be a difficult year.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/15/2016 7:38:35 AM

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I have small questions :

- If i have a fortified zone with 3 sappers regiments. What happen if i disband the fortified zone (under stavka). The sappers regiments are sent to Stavka or disbanded too ?

- I'am beginning to have spare PP for the first time in this game. I could create new stuff now or wait to use them for tank corps. Do people are usually happy with the free TOE or do they mass produce rifle brigade at this moment of the game ?

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/17/2016 9:36:40 PM

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12 february 1942 : Turn 35

Most winter offensive is over. Blizzard is still here probably until mars.

I'am retreating and positioning troops to defensive position.

Yes there are still fighting in peripheral theaters.

In the north, a lone army is facing the entire finland troops and is slowly pushed back.

In crimea, major german offensive but my troops retreat in good order yet.

In the south, there is little german troops for now. 3 soviet armies are defending stalingrad and 4 defending the caucasus. (Out of 60 armies, hum... quite light).
There are also a ton of small brigades but with low fighting value.

In the center little movement.

South of moscow, around Tula, there are a lot of motorized german troops. My opponent may try to push there in march to threaten moscow and destroy some of my best troops.

I plan to removed all my best troops from front line, except in front of moscow and put them in reserve before the weather get better.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/19/2016 4:59:06 PM

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Turn 36 : 19 february 1942

Little action except in crimea. But the weather is getting better in the south !!!

In crimea, i'am performing a fighting withdrawal to the sebastopol and kersh fortress.

Notice that the german 3th motorized division looks in a very, very bad shape.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/19/2016 8:55:47 PM

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You should have fortified the pass at Feodysia and Ak-Manay. Going to be to late now. If you fall back to just Kerch he can easily push you completely out of the crimea if he wants....I would guess hes going to swing hard in the tula area to try and flank moscow then roll up your entire army south of Moscow over the spring/summer.

As to shape of his units he restricts replacements over the winter to reduce effects of attrition on his replacement pool. Once he stops taking winter attrition rules he will flood the frontlines with hundreds of thousands of replacements he saved all winter most likely.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/19/2016 9:26:59 PM

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quote:

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You should have fortified the pass at Feodysia and Ak-Manay. Going to be to late now. If you fall back to just Kerch he can easily push you completely out of the crimea if he wants....I would guess hes going to swing hard in the tula area to try and flank moscow then roll up your entire army south of Moscow over the spring/summer.

As to shape of his units he restricts replacements over the winter to reduce effects of attrition on his replacement pool. Once he stops taking winter attrition rules he will flood the frontlines with hundreds of thousands of replacements he saved all winter most likely.

Ho i just understand your point now. Previously each time you spoke about the crimea pass, i was understanding the pass east Kerch and not the one in the middle of crimea.

Looks like 1942 will be fun

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/20/2016 8:27:32 AM

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Turn 37 : 26 february 1942

The holiday is over. Next turn hell will return in soviet union.

In crimea, the retreat go on....

Air reconnaissance show german troops concentration south of moscow in TULA area. Others area of the front looks clear for now. Battle is expected in the area.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/20/2016 10:19:40 AM

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Strategic reserves ready to move in "hot spot"

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/20/2016 6:06:34 PM

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Hi Stelteck.

Regarding your strategic reserve, I would consider the following, if I were you,

1) Do not place it east of Moscow where it is unlikely that a sudden crisis can erupt. Moving it south to somewhere east of Voronezh will let you deploy it to any point of crisis about one half turn faster.
2) While winter and mud continues, it is unlikely that the Germans will effect any wide ranging breakthroughs. So why not place your strategic reserve on some rail line somewhere, unload them, and let them spend their time digging?

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/20/2016 7:29:20 PM

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Turn 38 : 05 Mars 1942 !!

Blizzard is over but there is still a gentle snow all other russia.

Mars 1942 is also a great news for my industries !!!
A new tank, the T-70 is entering mass production. With the T-60 still here, i have a tons of crappy tanks to fill and die gloriously in my tanks brigades.
Even the T-34 production is slowly increasing (2/3 per turn).

I still have no rocket launcher truck production. The industries are not repaired yet. I completely failed my factory evacuation of this one.

Crimea is the first territory to fall in german hand in 1942. The ennemy even manage to crush a level 4 fort in 2 assault near sebastopol !!

In the south, an elite panzer force crossed the large river !!
And i have no elite army in the area to counter attack. Probably a small strategic mistake.
In fact, i have a shock army with cavalry corps in the way to the area, but still in the train.

In the center, some probing attack. Yes, there is a defense here. Now my opponent should know.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/20/2016 7:30:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

Hi Stelteck.

Regarding your strategic reserve, I would consider the following, if I were you,

1) Do not place it east of Moscow where it is unlikely that a sudden crisis can erupt. Moving it south to somewhere east of Voronezh will let you deploy it to any point of crisis about one half turn faster.
2) While winter and mud continues, it is unlikely that the Germans will effect any wide ranging breakthroughs. So why not place your strategic reserve on some rail line somewhere, unload them, and let them spend their time digging?

Yes good idea i will move them somewhere between voronev and stalingrad.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/21/2016 3:27:45 AM

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/21/2016 3:23:13 PM

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I confirm that my defense is full of holes.

Too many angle of attack, too few swamps

Sometimes i put armies somewhere until i found something usefull to do with them too.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/21/2016 7:01:12 PM

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Turn 39 : 12 Mars 1941

The battle is ramping up. But not north of moscow which is a quiet zone currently.

In crimea, the baddies crush another level 4 fortifications. And my rifles brigades ran away from the port, so now they are doomed. I do not need those brigades anyway

Sebastopol is well defended, but not sure how long it will hold.

In the south, german troops increase the size of the bridge head. It looks like the operation is limited. There are not a lot of ennemy troops here for the moment, and my renforcements just arrived. I will try to counter attack it.

And south of moscow, the ennemy built up is really huge. The bryansk front have already been breached in the series of battle. Danger is maximum here especially for the troops in the middle !!!
I think i will fallback a bit. Renforcements are coming to the area.

Fun details : I have 10 cavalry corps in the area, and due to the 2 attached sappers regiments in them, they really are super fast digger. My best diggers.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/21/2016 9:29:13 PM

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Battle for the caucasus started !!

One other point. we were speaking about my strategic reserves of available rifle divisions few post ago.

In fact, i sent the entire reserve south. I had a lot of weak divisions south with barely trained conscripts and little fighting value. I removed them for training and sent the reserve divisions to the front instead.

Now i have a strategic reserve full of rookies, but i hope they are training hard.

I'am trying now to forbid myself to put in direct fighting position divisions with less than 2 points of combat value and less than 40Xp.

With the new 1942 TOE, trained normal divisions full TOE with 45 XP have a combat value of 3.
Guard division can easily reached 4.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/22/2016 6:37:16 PM

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Turn 40 : 19 Mars 1941

The german army is receiving renforcements, as it gained 1000 more tanks since winters. I'am not s�re how many tanks german industries produced but i do not kill enough.

In the south, of battle for sebastopol began !!! One of the best german infantry general is here !!! Sebastopol will be defended to the last man, but mostly with regular divisions as i hope to create some new guards units doing this, letting rookies prove their worth.

In the front of moscow, we can see that the german army gather some good infantry divisions in order to try to push though my defenses here. But my defenses are very heavy.
I'am spending a lot of PP point trying to create fortified zone to built level 3 fortification in advance. (Without fortified zone, i'am limited to level 2 + 10%).

To my surprise, there was little battle south of moscow this turn. My little fallback worked.

Last point, looking at the looses report, i think i'am terrible at managing the air force. I have a lot of looses without really meeting the luftwaffe in the air.
I need to do better. I have 2000 fighters in stocks doing nothing.
I need to destroy the luftwaffe this year.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/22/2016 9:25:30 PM

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Oups, i had no idea this was possible... glou glou...
Poor division....

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/23/2016 8:56:04 PM

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Turn 41 : 26 March 1941

Next turn will be mud !!! The winter is other !!!

South of moscow, the panzers crushed the first line of defense, but did not try to exploit it.
I will probably counter attack some ennemy elements.

2 fronts face the ennemy, supported by 2 elites armies and 3 cavalry shock armies.

In the deep south, heavy battle occured around the bridgehead. I will repulse the infantry but the panzers are too strong -62 CV is too strong for me).

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/23/2016 11:14:21 PM

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Impressive defense against a determined opponent.

As I am not very experienced and playing ruskies, I am curious how you decided what size to build your armies? is this mostly about unit mass? Did you build units every turn?

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/24/2016 7:09:25 AM

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For now, i do not built new units at all. The game give me 400 divisions of riflemen, 60 cavalry divisions, 100 rifles brigades and 100 tanks brigades for free in 1941.
My manpower and armement stocks are zero. So if i built more units, it will create more divisions to fill with not enough men and weapons and the combat value of individual divisions will decrease.

I think the key to soviet is to built units with a real combat value. it is easy to have a division with 10K men but zero combat value due to low morale and experience. But a true rifle division with 90% TOE and experience around 45 worth 2 to 3 points now and it is a huge difference.

The only thing i currently built in mass is sapper regiment. I need sapper regiments everywhere. They are very good in newly created cavalry corps, but also in armies as support units (3 each), and also in fortified zone as builder (1 to 3 each). I never have enough sapper regiments. And they are cheap en manpower and weapons.
Sappers regiments help built fortification, and destroy ennemy fortifications. They are op. But not cheap in political points.

I wonder maybe i should have used mostly sapper Battalion instead of regiment to save PP.
I have tons of ideas of different configurations of support units to test but only one game

Remember also that sappers regiments starts as very low XP and need training as a normal units to be efficient.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/24/2016 10:36:23 AM

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Apparently sapper regiments are far more 'bang for your buck' than sapper battalions. At least that's what the 'best of WitE threads' PDF states.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/24/2016 11:07:33 AM

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Sapper regiments are actually cheaper than battalions. 3 battalions = 1 regiment. So basically you have 3 battalions for 2 APs if you build regiment.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/24/2016 8:37:27 PM

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A lots of failed counter attack this turn. Panzer divisions are stronk.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/25/2016 11:12:17 AM

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This looks like a desperate suicide attack:
Panzer starting CV = 586
Soviets starting CV = 198 !
Even if you quadrupled CV and they stayed stuck at original CV you loose the battle.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 11/25/2016 11:14:59 AM

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It was the second attack on the hex, with fresh troops, but yes it was very brave.

My artillery do not do enough damage. Each successive attack do not really damage the baddies.

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