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Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 6:41:01 PM

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CV fleet stationed 1 hex off of Bataan, been trying to launch ground attacks for the past 3-4 turns with Kates/Vals with a A6M2 escort. Feb 1942. Full sorties available, pilots well rested, squadron commander aggressive and morale is sky high.

The weather in the area has been thunderstorms, although I swear I've seen CV aircraft take off in horrible weather before.

What am I doing wrong?

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Edit: I went back a couple of turns and its been thunderstorms for about 4 days (right when the problem arose) so I'm going to go with that as the reason.

Also can't seem to post any of my screenshots, when I try to upload it gives a message "C:\fakepath\screenshot.png is not supported"

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 7:04:36 PM

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weather most likely

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 7:32:39 PM

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 7:36:18 PM

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Maybe your carriers have more than 115% capacity of planes onboard?

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 8:01:18 PM

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 10:31:34 PM

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Got it working... Born '97, gimme a break

As you can see, in the post above, the Kate squadron is looking good, full pilot complement and plane compliment. Morale is outstanding and fatigue non-existent. Commander is highly aggressive.

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ORIGINAL: Sash21
Maybe your carriers have more than 115% capacity of planes onboard?

I checked my CV's (Shokaku and Zuikaku) and they are both sitting under the 72 max capacity. Sorties are completely full and the captains of the ships are the finest captains the empire has to offer.

What is wrong? Must be weather I guess, but still I could SWEAR that I've launched before in thunderstorms.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 10:35:25 PM

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They are missing the rowdy boys from the Akagi and their famous sake bombs.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 10:44:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Got it working... Born '97, gimme a break

As you can see, in the post above, the Kate squadron is looking good, full pilot complement and plane compliment. Morale is outstanding and fatigue non-existent. Commander is highly aggressive.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sash21
Maybe your carriers have more than 115% capacity of planes onboard?

I checked my CV's (Shokaku and Zuikaku) and they are both sitting under the 72 max capacity. Sorties are completely full and the captains of the ships are the finest captains the empire has to offer.

What is wrong? Must be weather I guess, but still I could SWEAR that I've launched before in thunderstorms.

You may very well have, for carrier planes the deciding factor is the weather over the target. They can't have much of a chance in a T-storm. For float planes the weather in their origin hex is decisive. Born in '97? You're just a little baby.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 11:09:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGNAL: Anachro
They are missing the rowdy boys from the Akagi and their famous sake bombs.

Yes the wolves of the pacific mauled her badly, as you well know

. The bombings of the repair operation on her aren't exactly helping matters either, at this stage I'm shocked that there is even any kind of ammo storage left!

Luckily this isn't from our game Sean, its actually from my PBEM against Ric Carpenter and the initial stages of this game are about 4 cruisers better than our game

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ORIGINAL: Geofflambert
You may very well have, for carrier planes the deciding factor is the weather over the target. They can't have much of a chance in a T-storm. For float planes the weather in their origin hex is decisive. Born in '97? You're just a little baby.

I knew about the float planes, didn't know that weather over target for the carrier aircraft, thanks.

How many Gorn years would that equal?

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 11:24:13 PM

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Post 1 pic....

Using torpedoes for ground targets?

Doesnt it always tell you if a mission is cancelled due to weather?

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/25/2016 11:52:53 PM

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Using torpedoes for ground targets?

Except for the special case of Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th, Torp bombers when conducting a ground or port strike on a target hex will still use bombs regardless of the setting.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 12:06:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Anachro

quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Using torpedoes for ground targets?

Except for the special case of Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th, Torp bombers when conducting a ground or port strike on a target hex will still use bombs regardless of the setting.

AH SO....
"If a check for an appropriate target or torpedo supply fails, then the strike will use bombs instead."

As having only played Allies I tend to favor bombs for everyone.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 1:12:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Got it working... Born '97, gimme a break

As you can see, in the post above, the Kate squadron is looking good, full pilot complement and plane compliment. Morale is outstanding and fatigue non-existent. Commander is highly aggressive.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sash21
Maybe your carriers have more than 115% capacity of planes onboard?

I checked my CV's (Shokaku and Zuikaku) and they are both sitting under the 72 max capacity. Sorties are completely full and the captains of the ships are the finest captains the empire has to offer.

What is wrong? Must be weather I guess, but still I could SWEAR that I've launched before in thunderstorms.

How many squadrons or fragments of squadrons on your CV? Five is the max for operations. If you have a sixth one I think you can fly it off to a land base but cannot mount any other ops.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 8:54:29 AM

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Weather, air superiority, number of planes in raid limitation, shallow water hex - any of these, imho

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 12:13:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

quote:

ORIGNAL: Anachro
They are missing the rowdy boys from the Akagi and their famous sake bombs.

Yes the wolves of the pacific mauled her badly, as you well know. The bombings of the repair operation on her aren't exactly helping matters either, at this stage I'm shocked that there is even any kind of ammo storage left!

Luckily this isn't from our game Sean, its actually from my PBEM against Ric Carpenter and the initial stages of this game are about 4 cruisers better than our game

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ORIGINAL: Geofflambert
You may very well have, for carrier planes the deciding factor is the weather over the target. They can't have much of a chance in a T-storm. For float planes the weather in their origin hex is decisive. Born in '97? You're just a little baby.

I knew about the float planes, didn't know that weather over target for the carrier aircraft, thanks.

How many Gorn years would that equal?

It's not 100%, the attacking group has to know the weather is unsuitable over the target to decline to launch.

The planet Gorn is tidally locked with its sun, Solala. As a consequence, we don't have years. We're very jealous of you pathetic earthlings having years when we don't.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 12:25:03 PM

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The planet Gorn has seven moons so months are rather haphazard. You have to specify which moon you are referring to, Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Happy, Sleepy, Sneezy or Grumpy. We also have no weeks, and no days off. Regardless of where you are the sun neither rises or sets. Our first exposure to Earth was a transmission of the Hemingway novel "The Sun Also Rises". You can imagine how strange we thought you aliens must be.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 12:35:38 PM

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Weather, air superiority, number of planes in raid limitation, shallow water hex - any of these, imho

Weather superiority.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 12:40:45 PM

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The planet Gorn has seven moons so months are rather haphazard. You have to specify which moon you are referring to, Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Happy, Sleepy, Sneezy or Grumpy. We also have no weeks, and no days off. Regardless of where you are the sun neither rises or sets. Our first exposure to Earth was a transmission of the Hemingway novel "The Sun Also Rises". You can imagine how strange we thought you aliens must be.

The expression "a day in the life" was quite confusing to us. Life begins and ends. Days don't.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 12:42:43 PM

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Saying "I'm going to stay up late tonight" is an insult. It means "I'm going to live longer than you, suckah".

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/26/2016 3:08:06 PM

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Thunderstorms should not usually stop a launch. What is the DL of the target? That might be a factor.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/27/2016 3:29:45 AM

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Just got the turn from Ric and airstrikes have been delivered from CV's. Weather was clear sky's, DL was the same as before; 2/2.

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How many squadrons or fragments of squadrons on your CV? Five is the max for operations. If you have a sixth one I think you can fly it off to a land base but cannot mount any other ops.

No fragments or additional elements. Just the original 3 squadrons on both Shokaku and her sister.

Honestly I'm thinking it must've been the thunderstorms, the average EXP of the Val squadron is at 63 and the other squadron's are around the same so they aren't perfect by any means. I can see why they wouldn't want to land on a rolling and pitching deck. The fact that as soon as the weather subsided they launched only adds to my suspicion.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/27/2016 3:34:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pentakomo
Weather, air superiority, number of planes in raid limitation, shallow water hex - any of these, imho

I can't see any problem with launching in shallow water, in fact I'm sure they would prefer to launch in an area where submarines would have a tough time. I am inclined to agree with your air superiority comment although the strike force would've had ample A6M's escorting them and the only aircraft he has there is a lonely P-40 which has evaded destruction since the new year

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/29/2016 12:29:08 AM

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DL was the same as before; 2/2.

That's pretty low. Get some recon on the target to raise the number. Like a DL of at least 9/10 myself.

As an aside its not a very good idea to have your primary target as a land target for a CV TF. JMHO, but I would have my strike A/C set to 'naval attack' as primary, with a secondary as 'ground attack'. In addition as a IJ player I don't do too many ground attacks with CV based units as their pilots are just too experienced and few to risk on ground targets. Not to mention they take a long time to train up for carrier ops. I generally only do it where I know air and AAA opposition are essentially non-existent.

As for the torp setting, don't worry about it the AI will automatically swap in bombs for the ground strike. Also the shallow water hex has no effect on ops. However, operating from a base hex is another matter.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/29/2016 2:19:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

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ORIGINAL: Pentakomo
Weather, air superiority, number of planes in raid limitation, shallow water hex - any of these, imho

I can't see any problem with launching in shallow water, in fact I'm sure they would prefer to launch in an area where submarines would have a tough time. I am inclined to agree with your air superiority comment although the strike force would've had ample A6M's escorting them and the only aircraft he has there is a lonely P-40 which has evaded destruction since the new year

Shallow water restrictions to CV air operations is a carry over from earlier versions.
It doesn't exist anymore.
It was changed to be only port hexes including dot ports that haven't yet been developed.
Non-CVE carrier operations are reduced by 50% in port hexes.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/29/2016 4:06:20 PM

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 11/30/2016 6:15:38 PM

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Seriously it would be nice if there was some feedback mechanism to communicate this back to the player (operations report?). I've had similar situations where I had no idea why I didn't end up with any sorties.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 12/3/2016 1:13:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Zoetermeer

Seriously it would be nice if there was some feedback mechanism to communicate this back to the player (operations report?). I've had similar situations where I had no idea why I didn't end up with any sorties.

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Doesnt it always tell you if a mission is cancelled due to weather?

Which makes me think that it was not due to weather, as it tells when a air mission is canceled due to weather. Unless there are exceptions.

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RE: Carrier aircraft not launching - 12/3/2016 4:13:15 PM

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I don't recall ever seeing those messages show up on the operations report but they do flash on the screen as the turn is processing.

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