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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/15/2016 3:33:50 PM

Rio Bravo

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The Battle for Burma

February 3, 1943

Western China

El Lobo is pushing from one hex West of Paoshan toward the Burma Border with the following Japanese ground forces (1,175 total Assault Value):

6th Division
22nd Division
39th Division
3rd Tank Division
7th Ind. Tank Bde.

The Allies have the following ground forces one hex West of Paoshan (211 total Assault Value):

77th Chindit Bde.
11th Chindit Bde.
87th Mountain Rgt.
70th Coast AA Rgt.

The following Allied ground forces are on the move to reinforce the Allied ground forces one hex West of Paoshan (871 total Assault Value):

25th Inf./A Division
268th Motorized Bde.
112th USA BF
193rd Tank Bn.
50th Indian Para Bde.
27th Infantry Division
29th British Bde.

The Allies believe that the above Allied units will begin to arrive in time to prevent the Japanese from crossing the China-Burma Border into Burma.

Note: The 25th Inf./A Division will move into Lashio after the balance of the above Allied ground forces arrive to defend the China/Burma Border.

Japanese Ground Forces in Burma

The Japanese have the following ground forces in Burma:

Unit(s) Location

13 Shwebo
8 Mandalay
10 Lashio
17 Magwe
3 Meiktila
7 Ramree Island
6 1 hex East of Ramree Island
4 Taung Gyi
4 1 hex Northwest of Prome
1 1 hex Northeast of Toungoo
9 Prome
8 Toungoo

90 Total Known Units

Intelligence indicates the following Japanese troops are loading on transports bound for Rangoon:

10/Guards Mixed Bde.
19/Guards Mixed Bde.
20/Guards Mixed Bde.
25/Guards Mixed Bde.
9/23 Mixed Ind. Bde.
2/3 Ind. Mt. Gun Rgt.
2/38 JAAF AF Bn.
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
22nd Air Flotilla

Lashio

The following Allied ground forces that presently surround Lashio have been ordered to move into Lashio (647 total Assault Value):

24th Inf./A Division
24th Inf./B Division
24th Inf./C Division
25th Inf./B Division
25th Inf./C Division
1st Medium ART Rgt.
2nd Medium ART Rgt.
78th Cst. AA Rgt.

The following Allied ground forces are on the move with orders to enter Lashio ( 875 total Assault Value):

20th Indian Division
9th Australian Division
118th USAAF BF

Surrounding Five North-Central Burma Bases

Allied ground forces continue to move to complete surrounding the five North-Central Burma Bases of Shwebo, Mandalay, Meiktila, Magwe, and Taung Gyi.

Upon completion of surrounding these five bases in approximately two weeks, these five bases will be trapped and cut-off from the Southern Burma Bases of Prome, Toungoo, Bassein, Rangoon, Pegu, and Moulmeim.

As an inner-part of cutting-off these North-Central cities form the South, the 6th and 7th Australian Divisions with armor support will move into the hex directly West of Mandalay and into Meiktila (thereby cutting off Magwe supply to Mandalay and Shwebo).

One Hex East of Ramree Island

The Allied ground forces located one hex East of Ramree Island have a total Assault Value of 2,389.

These Allied ground forces along with the Allied ground forces surrounding this location will continue to apply pressure in an attempt to hold Japanese ground forces South of Magwe and Taung Gyi in place (i.e., discourage EL Lobo from ordering Southern Japanese ground forces from attempting to break-through and reinforce the five North-Central bases).

Allied Air Bases in Southeast India and Burma

In preparation for an Allied Bombing Campaign in Burma, the Allies have built up the air bases at the following Southeastern India and Burma bases:

INDIA

Level Location

9 Calcutta
7 (74%) Jessore
4 (26%) Dacca
3 (11%) Cormilla
9 Chittagong
5 (59%) Imphal
5 (9%) Kohima
5 (7%) Dimapur
4 (1%) Jorhart
6 (1%) Ledo
4 (41%) Cox�s Bazar

BURMA

Level Location

1 (38%) Kalemyo
0 (25%) Warazup
2 (42%) Myitkynia
0 (0%) Katha
3 (6%) Akyab
1 (34%) Bhamo

Allied Fighters and Bombers at Calcutta

The following fighters and bombers are presently stationed at Calcutta:

922 Fighters
613 Bombers

Number Fighter

25 P-40E Warhawk
200 P-40K Warhawk
250 P-39D Aircobra
15 Sea Hurricane Ib
64 Hurriance IIb Trop
196 Hurricane IIc Trop
83 P-38G Lightning
16 Mohawk IV
28 Martlet II
8 Beaufighter VIF (night fighter)
37 P-70 Havoc (night fighter)
922

Number Bombers Type

110 B-17E Fortress HLB
95 B-24D Liberator HLB
50 B-25C Mitchell MLB
32 B-26 Marauder MLB
30 B-26B Marauder MLB
9 A-20A Havoc MLB
12 Bleinheim VD MLB
36 Hudson IIIa MLB
32 Wellington Ic MLB
12 Beaufort I MLB (using torpedoes)
12 Beaufort VIII MLB (using torpedoes)
13 Swordfish I TB
30 Albacore I TB
32 A-24 Banshee DB
64 Vengeance I DB
12 Hurricane FR Iib FB
32 Beaufighter Vic FB
613

Warhawks have been ordered to fly to Kalemyo, Myitkynia, and Bhamo.

Fortress� and Liberators have been ordered to disperse themselves to Silchar, Imphal, Kohima, Dimapur, Jorhart, and Ledo.

All Fortress� and Liberators will first bomb Lashio and continue to pound Lashio until the Allies capture Lashio.

The second and third targets will be Taung Gyi and Meiktila.

Allied Transports at Jessore

The Allied Transports at Jessore will continue to fly supply to Akyab.

Number Transport

172 C-47 Skytrain
33 R4D-1 Skytrain
16 DC-3

Burma Map as of February 3, 1943

A map of Burma depicting the present Japanese and Allied ground forces in Burma is below.

Best Regards,
-Terry

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2016 1:38:04 PM

Rio Bravo

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AAR Format Change

For fourteen months I have cut-and pasted numerous combat actions from the Combat Reports. As the war increases in heat, the Combat Reports are becoming longer and longer. I think that to continue to cut and paste each combat action from the Combat Reports might become quite a chore for me and be rather boring for The War College.

Accordingly, I am going to change the format of The War College AAR.

In the future, I intend to keep The War College posted as to the progress of the war by commenting on events that I deem interesting or significant. Infrequently, when prudent, I will cut-and paste from the Combat Report.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2016 3:11:43 PM

Rio Bravo

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February 4, 1943

Adak Island

PB Shonan Maru #1 hit an Allied mine near Adak Island and incurred heavy damage.

Burma

Intelligence suggests that El Lobo is sending the additional Japanese ground forces to Rangoon:

2/Guards Mixed Brigade
8/Guards Mixed Brigade
24/Guards Mixed Brigade
27/Guards Mixed Brigade

CHINA

Japanese Bomb Chengtu and Chungking

As usual, El Lobo's bombers continue to pound my poor Chinese. The vast majority of these Japanese airstrikes are directed at Chengtu and Chungking.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Chungking

The 70th Chinese Corps repels Japan's 61st Infantry Brigade, 13th Ind. Mixed Brigade, and 63rd/A Division.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Nanyang

The 88th Chinese Corps repels Japan's 9th RGC Route Brigade, 8th Ind. Mixed Brigade, 5th NCPC Infantry Brigade, 1st Mobile Infantry Regiment, 1st Recon Battalion, and 101st NCPC Route Brigade.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Paoshan

The 77th and 111th Chindit Brigades repel Japan's 7th Ind. Tank Brigade, 3rd Tank Division, 6th Infantry Division, 22nd Infantry Division, and 39th Infantry Division.

OPERATION SEA SHARK

Ground Forces

The American, Canadian, and New Zealand ground forces are preparing for their objectives for the scheduled Invasion of the Southern four Marianas Islands on or about June 15, 1943.

United States Marines and United States Army ground forces are pouring into Pearl Harbor.

New Zealand ground forces are grouping at Lahaina.

Canadian ground forces are gathering at Hilo.

Carrier Aircraft

The following aircraft squadrons require Political Points to be spent to change Command:

1 Wildcat squadron that arrives at Santa Ana on February 15, 1943.

8 Dauntless Dive Bombers (one presently stationed at Pearl and seven presently stationed at San Diego).

4 Avenger Torpedo Bombers (1 presently stationed at Pearl and 3 presently stationed at March Field).

All aircraft have flown off the American Carriers at Pearl Harbor. American Carriers have left Pearl Harbor for Los Angeles. Aircraft changing commands at Los Angles, March Field, and San Diego will fly onto the carriers and commence training for carrier duties.

As we get closer to June, 1943 more detailed Operation Sea Shark plans will be provided to The War College.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2016 3:15:02 PM

Rio Bravo

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By the Numbers

February 4, 1943

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2016 6:31:15 PM

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Good move on the omission of Combat Reports. Looking at every minor action is quite tedious, although a major clash is worthy of a look.

Personally, naval action is where my interests lie so occasional listing of losses for both sides is requested.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/16/2016 7:14:37 PM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Good move on the omission of Combat Reports. Looking at every minor action is quite tedious, although a major clash is worthy of a look.

Personally, naval action is where my interests lie so occasional listing of losses for both sides is requested.

BBfanboy-

I agree. Naval action will hopefully always be reported.

And, thank you for agreeing with me.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/17/2016 9:14:32 AM

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February 5, 1943

El Lobo continues to bomb the Chinese.

There weren't any ground attacks today.

Submarines oiled the waters today.

Near Lahaina

Japanese submarine SS I-1 sinks Allied xAK John P. Holland.

Allied DD Saufley hits SS I-1 four times, setting it on fire and inflicting heavy damage.

Near Shemya Island

Allied SS Gato hits xAK Midori Maru once setting it on fire.

Japanese DD Samidare hits SS Gato once.

Near Maryborough

Allied DD Morris hits Japanese SS I-172 once.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/17/2016 2:24:22 PM

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Naval....

....and key battles in ground combat, and perhaps key air battles that accomplish a major objective i.e. closing down the airbase in anticipation of attack.

And maps where key offensive or defensive actions are taking place.

Too much ??

As you choose.

Firstly your AAR is well written ! I have followed! The format of a college tutorial is unique.

Secondly I think we all appreciate the time involved so thank you !

--

I think the underlying popularity for the really riveting "Allied AARs" (which I follow) is not so much the style because everyone has their own take.

However (limited) combat results and maps from specific hot spots do add a lot because I can visually follow in your foot steps; you are not only entertaining, you are teaching.

I can place myself in your position and ponder: What would I do? or I hadn't considered that ? or how in the h-e-double hockey sticks did he organize those troops there !

That's were simple comments add value like: Northern Pacific ~ nothing ever to report

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/17/2016 5:09:34 PM

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Have you moved anybody into evidently vacant Rabaul/New Guinea area? I hate to harp, but at this point you to need to start some serious engagement if for no other reason than to start the attrition process. The India/Burma skirmish isn't going touch the IJN. Your esteemed opponent is obviously quite content to sit back fortify and upgrade planes and production. We don't want him calling you Rio Yeller!!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/17/2016 7:11:03 PM

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Pont�

I don't wish to speak for Rio, but allow me to interject if you will.

Rabaul is being built up slowly�while hopefully, in appearance, maintaining its guileless, sleepy backwater character.

It will become important to my SS OPS during Operation Sea Shark.

Remember, IJN will be rudely cuffed across the chin when Sea Shark launches. Each side will suddenly be propelled out of this easy pace and be presented with an existential dilemma.

As for our dilemma we have long decided: to risk everything at the Marianas.

At the instant his alarm sounds at our approach, El Lobo's dilemma will be rudely thrust upon him, and I suspect he will respond with full fury.

For my part, the operation will include around 115 submarines (baring catastrophic losses until then) and around 60 minesweepers.

Rio's far greater participation is no less committed: Everything means everything.

Hope that helps, my friend,

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/17/2016 10:54:20 PM

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Can you give us an approximation for the kick-off of this great offensive?

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/18/2016 2:34:05 AM

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BB�

Sorry for the hyperbole. I guess I'm just another overly-excited newbie

I'm not certain of the kickoff date...

Always good to hear from you!

Hag

< Message edited by CaptHaggard -- 11/18/2016 5:10:47 AM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/18/2016 1:05:59 PM

Rio Bravo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Naval....

....and key battles in ground combat, and perhaps key air battles that accomplish a major objective i.e. closing down the airbase in anticipation of attack.

And maps where key offensive or defensive actions are taking place.

Too much ??

As you choose.

Firstly your AAR is well written ! I have followed! The format of a college tutorial is unique.

Secondly I think we all appreciate the time involved so thank you !

--

I think the underlying popularity for the really riveting "Allied AARs" (which I follow) is not so much the style because everyone has their own take.

However (limited) combat results and maps from specific hot spots do add a lot because I can visually follow in your foot steps; you are not only entertaining, you are teaching.

I can place myself in your position and ponder: What would I do? or I hadn't considered that ? or how in the h-e-double hockey sticks did he organize those troops there !

That's were simple comments add value like: Northern Pacific ~ nothing ever to report

Macclan5-

Thank you for following The War College AAR and for the compliment regarding this AAR.

All of your recommendations above are good and appropriate for this AAR; and no doubt good for any AAR.

I can't take credit for my organization skills regarding troop movement; Luke Robitae is my troop movement adviser. *laughing*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/18/2016 1:31:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Have you moved anybody into evidently vacant Rabaul/New Guinea area? I hate to harp, but at this point you to need to start some serious engagement if for no other reason than to start the attrition process. The India/Burma skirmish isn't going touch the IJN. Your esteemed opponent is obviously quite content to sit back fortify and upgrade planes and production. We don't want him calling you Rio Yeller!!

pontiouspilot-

*cracking up at Rio Yeller* You are going to make John Wayne roll over in his gave!

At this time, I don't have any plans to occupy Rabaul and New Guinea. I am earmarking and stockpiling every toothbrush for Operation Sea Shark. As it is, I will only have close to 6,000 AV to invade the four Southern Marianas Islands on or about June 15, 1943.

I disagree with you on the Burma situation for the following reasons:

1.) Though it is taking longer than anticipated to take back Burma due to El Lobo's heavy investment in Burma, Burma is tying-up numerous Japanese ground forces that I would have to face sooner or later elsewhere.

2.) Burma has forced El Lobo to divert Japanese ground forces from his attempt to capture Chengtu and Chungking resulting in it taking him longer than expected to conquer all of China. Note the number of infantry and tank divisions he has sent to the border to protect his back door.

3.) Within two to three weeks, all Allied ground forces in Burma will have completed their initial mission to completely surround and cut off all Japanese ground forces North of Toungoo and Prome. At that point, he will be unable to extract all of his forces in the North. Accordingly, his attempted retreat will be very costly for him. Further, the Magwe oil will not get back to Japan.

4.) Within ten days, the Allies will commence pounding the Japanese in Burma with 4Es and B-24 Liberators with massive fighter support. El Lobo is going to lose numerous aircraft as the Allies will have overwhelming air superiority.

5.) Once the Allies begin deliberate attacks, artillery bombardments, and of course the air bombing. El Lobo will use lots of supply.

I could have moved in one massive stack and just shoved my way through Burma. However, that wasn't my goal. My goal is to trap and destroy as many Japanese ground forces in Burma as possible.

So, who's opinion is right, yours or mine. *cracking up* At this point, I haven't a clue. I suppose time will let us know.

Thank you for commenting and don't desert me as I will surely need you as the war heats up more and more.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/18/2016 2:02:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Can you give us an approximation for the kick-off of this great offensive?

BBfanboy-

The armada is presently scheduled to leave the Hawaiian Islands on June 1, 1943. The invasion force will sail directly to the four Southern Marianas Islands, passing one hex below Wake Island. It will take approximately two weeks to reach the Marianas Islands. I suspect that the invasion fleet will be detected about a week before the landings take place.

I anticipate troops landing on or about June 15, 1943 on Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam.

All the carriers will sit one hex East of Rota and wait for all bombardment and landing ships to unload and form back up with the carriers. It will take several days to unload all the ground forces and supply.

The carriers will be loaded primarily with fighters. Many carrier capable and trained Dive and Torpedo Bombers will remain at Pearl so that the carriers can accommodate more Wildcats. The fighters will engage in Long Range CAP and CAP over the carriers. I want to take a toll on his carrier trained pilots.

I suspect that El Lobo will meet the Allies at the Marianas and that it is going to be bloody. So be it, have to fight the bastard somewhere. *laughing*

Step Two of Operation Sea Shark is to invade Formosa no later than December 31, 1943 (hopefully sooner).

Step Three of Operation Sea Shark is to invade Hong Kong and Amoy no later than April 1, 1944 (hopefully sooner).

The goal of Operation Sea Shark is four-fold:

1.) Establish a Naval blockade running from the Marianas Islands to Hong Kong; thereby preventing as many of El Lobo's ground forces as possible South of the line from reaching points North of the line and to prevent as much as possible oil from the South reaching Japan.

2.) Invade China from the South to assist the Allies pushing East from Burma.

3.) Get supply to China.

4.) Push toward Manchukuo to hopefully trigger Russia to join the war and to push to Korea to bomb Japan proper into oblivion.

The dates to invade Formosa and the coast of China are naturally rough dates. I suppose the timing will depend upon how many of El Lobo's forces the Allies face at the Marianas Islands and Formosa.

That is the general idea. Details to follow as we get closer to the jump dates for the individual steps of Operation Sea Shark.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/18/2016 2:04:24 PM

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Pont�

I don't wish to speak for Rio, but allow me to interject if you will.

Rabaul is being built up slowly�while hopefully, in appearance, maintaining its guileless, sleepy backwater character.

It will become important to my SS OPS during Operation Sea Shark.

Remember, IJN will be rudely cuffed across the chin when Sea Shark launches. Each side will suddenly be propelled out of this easy pace and be presented with an existential dilemma.

As for our dilemma we have long decided: to risk everything at the Marianas.

At the instant his alarm sounds at our approach, El Lobo's dilemma will be rudely thrust upon him, and I suspect he will respond with full fury.

For my part, the operation will include around 115 submarines (baring catastrophic losses until then) and around 60 minesweepers.

Rio's far greater participation is no less committed: Everything means everything.

Hope that helps, my friend,

Hag

Commander-

Well put, Hag.

Your pal,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/18/2016 11:28:37 PM

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I'm not about to try to talk you outa the big dice roll...I'm just trying to shame you into a couple of dice rolls instead!! The attrition I seek is IJN. Attrition is the Allies' best weapon and that the Japanese should fear most. Burma will tie up vast quantities of troops but a fully intact IJN with a good quantity of mid-war aircraft is daunting. Do you have any eyes on the prize ie. any recon of the target islands? Yes I know that this can alert an opponent. The reason I ask is that the evil empire has presumably been doing something for 2 years, since he never grabbed the usual NG/New Brit ground. My hunch might be that he is hunkering down in the Marianas hoping for the "decisive battle" in friendly waters, exactly as their doctrine was in real life. Also, I'm guessing that you don't get enough specialized landing craft to pull off island attack of this size until mid-year.

Here's to hoping you find somewhere to poke a stick in his eye before then!!

Cheers!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/19/2016 4:05:48 AM

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February 6, 1943

Ut oh! El Lobo forced the Chindit Brigades to retreat toward Burma.

Near Buldir Island

Allied submarine SS Gato puts a torpedo into Japanese xAK Midori Maru setting it a blaze with heavy damage. Intelligence reports that Midori Maru sunk.

Good job, Commander Haggard.

Near Nanyang

Japanese attack the 88th Chinese Corps.

The 88th repels Japan's 1st Mobile Infantry Regiment, 1st Recon Battalion, 8th Ind. Mixed Brigade, 9th RGC Route Brigade, 101st RGC Route Brigade, and the 5th NCPC Infantry Brigade.

The Commander of the 88th recently wrote a book entitled, "Sling Shot Tactics to ding Japanese Infantry." Evidently, his tactics are working.

Near Paoshan

Japanese attack forces the Chindit Brigades and the 70th Coast AA Regiment to retreat toward the Burma Border. Fortunately, tomorrow, the 25th/A Division will move into the turf vacated by the Chindit Brigades.

The 25th/A Division faces a formidable foe consisting of 6th Division, 22nd Division, 39th Division, 3rd Tank Division, and 7th Ind. Tank Brigade.

Hopefully, the 25th/A Division can hold the ground until additional Allied reinforcements arrive.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/19/2016 4:33:08 AM

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I'm not about to try to talk you outa the big dice roll...I'm just trying to shame you into a couple of dice rolls instead!! The attrition I seek is IJN. Attrition is the Allies' best weapon and that the Japanese should fear most. Burma will tie up vast quantities of troops but a fully intact IJN with a good quantity of mid-war aircraft is daunting. Do you have any eyes on the prize ie. any recon of the target islands? Yes I know that this can alert an opponent. The reason I ask is that the evil empire has presumably been doing something for 2 years, since he never grabbed the usual NG/New Brit ground. My hunch might be that he is hunkering down in the Marianas hoping for the "decisive battle" in friendly waters, exactly as their doctrine was in real life. Also, I'm guessing that you don't get enough specialized landing craft to pull off island attack of this size until mid-year.

Here's to hoping you find somewhere to poke a stick in his eye before then!!

Cheers!

pontious pilot-

You set forth reasonable and good points.

I have no idea how much El Lobo has stuffed onto the four Southern Marianas Islands. I won't have hardly any landing craft (mainly just xAKs and xAPs for Amphibious Landings). Further, I suspect that El Lobo will detect the invasion fleet approximately one week before the troops hit the beaches and it will take days for them to fully unload.

El Lobo knows me very well. He knows that I haven't been sitting on my heels for nothing. He knows that he hasn't seen any Marines. However, he doesn't know where the Allies will strike. El Lobo has numerous locations to consider. If, as you suggest, he guesses right, then I am going to need a heap more Doctors and Nurses.

If he guesses wrong, or thinks the Allies won't strike the Marianas Islands until October or later in 1943, then the Allies stand a good chance of capturing, at a minimum, the four Southern Marianas Islands.

It isn't like I am not nervous, for a variety of reasons that keep me awake at night worrying. *chuckling*

Events will fortunately or unfortunately unfold. In either event, it will be interesting.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/20/2016 5:47:38 PM

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February 7, 1943

Of course, Japanese aircraft continue to bomb Chengtu and Chungking.

Otherwise, it was a relatively slow day in terms of combat actions.

Allied Submarine Attack Near Attu

Allied submarine SS Greeling launches Torpedoes and misses Japanese Destroyers DD Michishio, DD Hatsushima, and DD Shigure.

SS Greenling suffers one hit from the Japanese Destroyers.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Chungking

Japan's 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade, 61st Infantry Brigade, and 63rd/A Division attack the 70th Chinese Corps.

The 70th repels the War Mongers!

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/21/2016 7:27:22 PM

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February 8, 1943

No surprise, El Lobo's bombers made several raids against Chengtu and Chungking.

PBY-5 Catalinas from Dutch Harbor get hammered over Adak Island. The Catalinas were unable to drop a single torpedo to damage Japanese ships at Adak Island.

I get a kick out of Commander Haggard and El Lobo's friendly, humorous banter regarding their submarine warfare. El Lobo refers to it as "Dancing with Subs." Today, one of Hag's AMs hit a Japanese submarine three times.

No ground combat today.

I have ordered Commander Haggard to sink the Valiant (S.O.B. is costing me 65 Political Points per day and it is 15 days from reaching Cape Town).

Near Portsea

Allied AM Muritai hits SS I-16 three times. SS I-16 is taking on water.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/22/2016 9:52:11 AM

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February 9, 1943

*yawns* El Lobo bombed Chengtu and Chungking.

Commander Hag's AM caught up with an already damaged Japanese submarine and it appears extremely doubtful that the submarine will make it home.

Japanese ground forces attack Chengtu and get hammered.

My brave Chinese throw rocks and sticks and repel overwhelming Japanese forces.

The Allies moved into Lashio. Damn River!

A busy day, not all of it good.

Submarine Attack Near King Island!

AM Launceton Hits Japanese submarine SS I-16 14 times causing heavy damage.

Japanese Ground Forces Attack Near Nanyang:

88th Chines Corps (6 AV) beans Japan's 1st Recon Battalion, 1st Mobile Infantry Regiment, 101st NCPC Route Brigade, 8th Ind.Mixed Brigade, 9th RGC Route Brigade, and 5th NCPC Infantry Brigade (total AV 510) and holds their ground.

Japanese Assault odds were 96 to 1.

Japanese Ground Forces Attack Near Chungking:

The 70th Chinese Corps (6 AV) fends off Japan's 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade, 61st Infantry Brigade, and 63rd/A Division (total AV 483) and holds their ground.

Japanese Assault odds were 55 to 1.

Japanese Ground Forces Attack Near Paoshan:

The 268th Motorised Brigade and 25th Infantry/A Division (total AV 195) get the better of Japan's 39th Division, 3rd Tank Division, 22nd Division, 6th Division, and 7th Ind.Tank Brigade (total AV 1,070) and hold their turf.

Japanese assault odds were 1 to 2.

Japanese Ground Forces Attack Chengtu:

Japanese get shredded!

Attacking force 114058 troops, 1451 guns, 955 vehicles, Assault Value = 3829

Defending force 129760 troops, 254 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4083

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1442

Allied adjusted defense: 5937

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
20440 casualties reported
Squads: 185 destroyed, 1530 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 86 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 261 disabled
Guns lost 173 (8 destroyed, 165 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3734 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 277 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 153 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

Assaulting units:
37th Division
40th Division
110th Division
10th Division
12th Division
23rd Division
41st Division
36th Division
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Division
1st Mortar Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
1st Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
7th Ind. Engineer Regiment
3rd Army
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
9th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th RF Gun Battalion
5th Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
75th Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
64th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
57th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
9th Prov Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Cavalry Corps
13th Group Army
18th Group Army
95th Chinese Corps
21st Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Base Force
34th Group Army
36th Group Army
23rd Group Army
14th Group Army
79th Chinese Corps
26th Group Army
9th Chinese Corps
6th War Area
71st Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
30th Group Army
13th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Base Force

Damn River!

The Allies 24th Infantry/A Division, 25th Infantry/B Division, 25th Infantry/C Division, 1st Medium Regiment, 2nd Medium Regiment, and 78th Coast AA Regiment (total AV 555) fight their way into Lashio against Japan's 7th RTA Division, 114th Infantry Regiment, 17th Indpt Guards Regiment, 20th JAAF AF Bn, 2nd JAAF AF Coy, 1st JAAF AF Coy, 50th Field AA Battalion, 94th JAAF AF Bn, 97th JAAF AF Bn, 67th JAAF AF Coy (total AV 396).

Allied assault odds were 1 to 99 (fort level 5).

The Allies suffered 1,699 casualties without the Japanese suffering a single casualty.

Damn River!

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/22/2016 1:31:30 PM

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Nice job at Chengtu but better rebuild those forts!

River crossings are hairy deals - you never know if you will take mild or wicked casualties. If I can, I always try to cross up or down river from the target hex and march in.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/22/2016 2:00:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Nice job at Chengtu but better rebuild those forts!

River crossings are hairy deals - you never know if you will take mild or wicked casualties. If I can, I always try to cross up or down river from the target hex and march in.

BBfanboy-

I have been trying to rebuild the forts. Problem is: SUPPLY!!!!!

My thoughts were to visit Lashio from all directions thereby owning all hexsides and cutting off retreat. You're right, I did know that crossing the river would trigger a shock attack. In hindsight, I should have just put a BF behind the river and left that there so that those Evil El Lobo forces couldn't retreat into my occupied hex.

In the future, I am quite sure that after the spanking El Lobo gave me, I will be more cautious fly fishing in the rivers. *chuckling*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/22/2016 2:17:31 PM

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Pain is what makes us learn ! You will do a lot of things differently in your next game!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/24/2016 5:43:19 PM

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February 10, 1943

A slow day in the war.

Japanese bombers only made two strikes today, one at Chengtu and one at Chungking. Japanese aircraft must have been in the hangars for maintenance.

Allied aircraft hit a Japanese transport.

There was only one ground combat. Allied artillery shelled the Japanese at Lashio without inflicting a single casualty.

Two Allied Anti-Tank units left Shwebo today heading for the Burma-China Border.

Near Chuginadak Island

A PBY-5 Catalina out of Dutch Island put a torpedo into xAK Manzyu Maru, setting it on fire.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/24/2016 5:44:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Pain is what makes us learn ! You will do a lot of things differently in your next game!

BBfanboy-

My list is long.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/25/2016 2:01:05 AM

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February 11, 1943

*ring...ring...ring...answering machine picks up* "You have reached The War College. For English press 1. For Japanese press 2." *beep* "Japanese bombed Chengtu and Chungking today." *click*

Warhawks enterd the war over Shwebo.

Japanese attacked three Chinese positions. The Chinese held all three positions.

For the second time in two days, Allied artillery shelled Japanese at Lashio without inflicting any casualties.

Dogfights at Shwebo

ONE

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 7 destroyed

TWO

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 6
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Nanyayng

0 Japanese casualties.

Allied ground losses:
746 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 17 (17 destroyed, 0 disabled)

88th Chinese Corps holds their turf.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Chungking

0 Japanese casualties.

Allied ground losses:
675 casualties reported
Squads: 43 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

70th Chinese Corps held their turf.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Kunming

Japanese ground losses:
157 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

73rd Chinese Corps held their turf.

Allied Artillery Bombardment at Lashio

Zip! Nada! Nothing!

Ground combat at Lashio (62,46)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1080 troops, 48 guns, 104 vehicles, Assault Value = 269

Defending force 16271 troops, 170 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 554

Assaulting units:
24th Infantry/A Division
25th Infantry/B Division
25th Infantry/C Division
78th Coast AA Regiment
1st Medium Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
114th Infantry Regiment
7th RTA Division
17th Indpt Guards Regiment
94th JAAF AF Bn
2nd JAAF AF Coy
97th JAAF AF Bn
1st JAAF AF Coy
20th JAAF AF Bn
50th Field AA Battalion
67th JAAF AF Coy

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/26/2016 7:21:21 AM

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February 12, 1943

A Japanese submarine sank an Allied YP.

Only one Japanese deliberate attack.

Of course, El Lobo bombed Chengtu and Chungking (numerous times).

Allied artillery shelled Shwebo, Lashio, and the Japanese in the jungle one hex East of Ramree Island.

Japanese Submarine Attack Near Lahaina

Japanese submarine SS I-34 puts a torpedo into Allied YP-239 inflicting heavy damage.

Intelligence reports that the YP sank.

Japanese Deliberate Attack Near Kunming

Japan's 22nd Recon Regiment and 2nd Militia Regiment attack the 73rd Chinese Corps.

Japanese suffered 150 casualties, the 73rd suffered 50 casualties.

The brave Chinese held their their turf.

Allied Artillery Bombards Shwebo

Japanese troops took 39 casualties with two squads destroyed.

The Allies lost 7 guns with one destroyed.

Allied Artillery Bombards Japanese One Hex West of Ramree Island

Japanese troops suffered 128 casualties without a single squad destroyed.

Allied Artillery Bombards Lashio

Zip. Nada. Nothing.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 11/26/2016 9:50:04 AM

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BURMA 100

February 12, 1943

El Lobo has a minimum of 100 Japanese Ground Force units in Burma (includes 5 units one hex West of Paoshan).

The Japanese have a minimum of 15 Infantry Divisions, 3 Infantry Regiments, Naval Guard Units, and intelligence indicates that 7 Infantry Brigades are loading for Rangoon.

A map of the Burma Conflict is below.

Where last known, identified unit designations have been set forth as follows:

Shwebo (16 Units)

6th RTA Division
4th Guards Division
6th JNAF Coy
10th JNAF AF
15th JNAF AF
18th JNAF AF
46th JNAF AF
14th JAAF AF Coy
11th RF Gun Bn
2nd Ind Art Mortar Bn
15th Ind Art Mortar Bn
22nd Ind Mtn Gun Bn
23rd Medium FA Rgt
25th Air Defense AA Rgt
34th Field AA Bn
1st Mobile AA Bn

Mandalay (7 Units)

207th JAAF AF Bn
15th Ind Art Mortar Bn

Lashio (10 Units)

7th RTA Division
114th Infantry Rgt
17th Ind Guards Rgt
1st JAAF AF Coy
2nd JAAF AF Coy
20th JAAF AF Bn
67th JAAF AF Coy
94th JAAF AF Bn
97th JAAF AF Bn
50th Field AA Bn

One Hex West of Paoshan (5 Units)

6th Division
22nd Division
39th Division
3rd Tank Division
7th Ind Tank Bde

Magwe (17 Units)

2 Division
12th JAAF BF
15 JAAF BF

Meiktila (2 Units)

Ramree Island (6 Units)

2 Army

One Hex East of Ramree Island (9 Units)

4th Division
19th Division
56th Division
48th Naval Guard
Guards Tank Division
10th RF Gun Bn
1st Medium FA Rgt
8th Medium FA Rgt
21st AA Rgt

4 Taung Gyi (4 Units)

82 JAAF AF Bn
55 Construction Co

One Hex NW of Prome (3 Units)

One Hex Northeast of Toungoo (1 Unit)

56 Division

Prome (5 Units)

4 Division
19 Division
6 Java Militia Rgt
8 JAAF BF

Toungoo (7 Units)

33 Division
5 Recon Rgt
43 Naval Guard
19 Tank Rgt
11 RF Gun Bn
22 Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt
23 Medium FA Rgt

One Hex Southeast of Prome (1 Unit)

Rangoon (6 Units)

3/Guards Division
1/38 JAAF AF Bn
2/22 JAAF Bn
86 JAAF Coy
1/3 Ind Mtn Gun Rgt
1/1 Mobile Eng Rgt

Mouliem (1 Unit)

40 JAAF AF Bn

Intelligence indicates the following Japanese troops are either loaded or loading on transports bound for Rangoon:

Yokosuka 1st SNLF
3/Guards Mixed Bde
10/Guards Mixed Bde
16/Guards Mixed Bde
19/Guards Mixed Bde
20/Guards Mixed Bde
25/Guards Mixed Bde
9/23 Mixed Ind. Bde
13/5 Guards
2/38 JAAF AF Bn
2/3 Ind Mtn Gun Rgt
22nd Air Flotilla

Best Regards,

-Terry

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