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Visit to the Eighth Air Force Museum - 4/22/2003 4:55:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here are some pictures I think. Of a 190 fighter.

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Forgot to post - 4/22/2003 4:57:10 AM   
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Here is a - 4/22/2003 4:58:26 AM   
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Here is a P51-Mustang - 4/22/2003 5:00:04 AM   
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Here it is again but - 4/22/2003 5:01:09 AM   
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Here is both of them - 4/22/2003 5:02:28 AM   
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Here is the 190 - 4/22/2003 5:04:00 AM   
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Here is a actual B47 - 4/22/2003 5:07:01 AM   
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They did not have any actual - 4/22/2003 5:09:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		B-17's or B-24's on display but they had lots of models and pictures of them. They also had a lot of film, which they were showing that was pretty amazing.

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They also - 4/22/2003 5:11:27 AM   
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Picture of the - 4/22/2003 5:13:11 AM   
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The museum - 4/22/2003 5:19:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was really good they had lots of documents and records on how the Germans would break up the flying fortresses formations so that they could get inside the formations and do more damage and the costs in lives and planes of the strategic runs that were made. It was quite sobering the number of planes and lives that were lost. Also the working conditions. -30 to -70 degrees celcius in the B-17's and B24's during booming runs. :eek:

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Well I hope you liked the - 4/22/2003 5:22:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pictures, the museum again was really good and at $7 a pop you can not beat the price. It had a lot of auxilary things related to the Eighth airforce also. What would happen to the pilots that were shot down, concentration camp stuff, and a whole history of the war with lots of very good pictures. I would recommend it to everyone.

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- 4/22/2003 5:28:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		That jet fighter is Me-163 Komet if I'm not mistaken.

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Nice pictures - 4/22/2003 5:40:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Stationed there for 4 years. What would posses a Yankee to go to La on vacation?:D :) :confused: :confused: :confused:

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- 4/22/2003 7:03:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice pictures, a bit odd they don't have a B-17, isn't it?

THe Me-163 was rocket powered, not jet, as such it was the first (maybe only) operational rocket powered combat aircraft in WW2.

The Me-262 was Germany's jet entry; supposedly the first operational turbojet combat aircraft. Last time I was in the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry they had a Me-262 on display - not hung from the ceiling, either. I remember the skin, or covering, impressed me as a bit tacky. But, then, the aircraft was old 30 or 40 years ago.

History Channel runs a feature on the Me-163 now and then, devoting a lot of time to the fuel. There are a couple of things I would never, ever have done for a living. Preparing the fuel and fueiling up the Me-163 is way high on the list.

Not sure how effective the Me-163 really was, it had something like a 20 or 25 minute total flight time, one pass, that was about it.

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- 4/22/2003 9:20:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		awesome pics

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Great - 4/22/2003 9:34:54 AM   
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- 4/22/2003 2:34:32 PM   
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http://www.stormbirds.com/

The ME-262 pages - including the restoration/*new manufacture* now happening at Paine Field in Everett, Washington (AKA Snohomish County Airport). Birds have *flown*, even to the point of having a landing-gear collapse on one.

I'm out there around the first week of July for vacation, and **** well will *remember* to go there this time! (I remembered them as I was headed back to Spokane last year. )

And *three* are still for sale!

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- 4/22/2003 3:16:16 PM   
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To think projects like this even exists. Ahh there's hope for humanity. Can somebody lend me a Panther so I can start building some replicas? :cool:

Now, let's start a fund-raiser to get those $ 2,000,000+ and we can have our own Steel Panthers Me262. :D

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- 4/24/2003 3:16:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Y'know, other than the heavy machinery (and the assorted Destructive Devices, since we *do* want Authentic & Operational, yes? ), it'd be easier to repro tanks... none of this "airworthiness certificate", delicate birdsucking engines, or "ooops, the wheels were up" rubbish. Just remember not to make the turret too heavy to rotate on anything but level ground (KV-2), not to use beta-development engines (early Panthers), and properly adjust all tracks before shipping ("#$%^&*!!! Threw another one!").

Actually, on one of the "military archaeology" pages, I *did* see a Panther, with main gun, in some junkyard. Accompanying text said it appeared to have had an engine fire... can't remember the URL, but as I recall I got the main-page URL off a post on one of the Matrix forums, so...

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- 4/24/2003 3:40:58 PM   
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Ofcourse we want it fully functional! :p The main gun and optics is the tricky part, but there *are* pieces standing in backyards here and there. A modified Pak40 barrel could also do the trick, right? And I'm sure that Carl Zeiss Co has blueprints somewhere if you ask them nicely... ;) Engine doesn't have to be authentic, look at the ME boys. They're throwing in trainer jet engines instead of the originals. Problem is size, they don't make gasoline engines that big anymore, but I can easily imagine that a modern 600+ HP Mercedes truck diesel engine would fit. And it'd give the kat some serious mobility too! Then again, the torque from a diesel engine would probably require modifications to the drive sprockets and track, otherwise they'd be thrown instantly. Heh heh heh.... ahh the fantasies. :cool:

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- 4/24/2003 9:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		What makes that 190 look like a 109 is that it has an inline engine instead of the much mure common radial engine you usually see on 190's. 109's had the liquid cooled inlines.

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- 4/24/2003 11:12:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Over Easter i popped into the RAF museum at Hendon. Didn't take any pics but they had crammed into one hangar a Vulcan Bomber, a Victor, a B-17 (wings cropped), a B25 and a Lancaster (wings cropped) amongst all the smaller stuff!!!

Let me say, it was free and it was fantastic (although i think the missus kinda drifted off a quarter of the way through!)

They also had the only two-seater FW190 still in existence.

Also, the He162 Salamander was beautiful, it wouldn't look out of place now.

Top prize though; Spitfire Mk1 (although the Merlin engine has been replaced by a different Rolls Royce one i think).

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- 4/25/2003 6:16:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wasn't gonna say anything, but I can't resist: A Vulcan! I would love to see one up close. Served a good long tour with the RAF, combat and also as a tanker IIRC. From where I sit, the Vulcan airframe design was years ahead of its time, reminding me for some reason of the manta rays I have seen in Florida.

An exceptional aircraft from any point of view. Wish you had done some good 35mm or high res digital closeups. I guess we could dig around the aircraft photo archives, at that.

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- 4/25/2003 6:29:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK - for lovers of really different combat aircraft, try this site for the VRT - Vulcan Restoration Trust - history of the aircraft:

http://www.avrovulcan.com/vhisavro.htm

Also good photos to go with the history, personal experiences and info on VRT, plus a link to a fine website which chronicles Farnsborough from 1978 on.

At the time the Vulcan - that is, what was to become the Vulcan - came off the drawing boards into development shortly after WW2, it was felt by some designers that the RAF requirements couldn't be met. I would say Avro did so handsomely.

Great aircraft. Fought the Falklands, too. Flew until ~1984.

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Cool - Vulcans! - 4/25/2003 9:47:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the Vulcan web site! That is the one and only modern bomber I have ever had the pleasure to have personaly had a tour of! When I was stationed at SAC HQ we had a British detatchment stationed there and the Brit ground crews were always so friendly and willing to show you something and or explain a question. I got along with the Brit ground crews and air crews just famously. :D
The American ground crews were horse's rear's and would not let you touch one of our planes - except to attach the ground wire to them before fueling one! :(

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- 4/25/2003 1:05:49 PM   
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http://www.town.vulcan.ab.ca/



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- 4/25/2003 9:19:21 PM   
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