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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Thinking of buying this game, I've played WitP:AE and absolutely love it, its my favourite game of all-time hands down but after looking a board game called "A World at War" (which is essentially the evolved Avalon Hill Advanced Third Reich) and I have a craving for counters and hexes and of course grand strategy but I would like input from players on whether I should give this game a go.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

warspite1 provides a good summary of the game. As a non-WiF player (prior to the game), I would like to add two other comments:
1) I've never had any interest in the War in the Pacific, so bought this game intending to play the "Europe only" scenarios. Three years after buying the game, neither this scenario nor the Pacific-only scenario have been released. To me, this is a huge disappointment.
2) While a lot of people seem to love it, I could never really get my head around, or come to like, the way turns work, in which you can generally only move ships, aircraft, or land units, but not all three. I just found it very frustrating.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: 76mm
2) While a lot of people seem to love it, I could never really get my head around, or come to like, the way turns work, in which you can generally only move ships, aircraft, or land units, but not all three. I just found it very frustrating.

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7
On the subject of the game being incomplete as of now I guess I have to ask- If the developers announced that they were halting the rest of progress on this game and just keeping it as is... Would you still be playing it as much and still loving it? Is it THAT good of a game that even if it was getting no more new updates/patches (even when incomplete), you would still love it?

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

....a game where you can do anything as long as the rules allow it. If I, as Germany want to not help the Italians at all, I can do that. If I as the USA want to pursue a "Hirohito First" strategy instead of "Hitler First", I can do that.

On the subject of the game being incomplete as of now I guess I have to ask- If the developers announced that they were halting the rest of progress on this game and just keeping it as is... Would you still be playing it as much and still loving it? Is it THAT good of a game that even if it was getting no more new updates/patches (even when incomplete), you would still love it?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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but after looking a board game called "A World at War" (which is essentially the evolved Avalon Hill Advanced Third Reich)

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14
I used to be an avid A3R/Rising Sun player back in the 90's. WiF blows that away including A3R's latest incarnation (AWAW).

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ORIGINAL: Dabrion
Just be aware that you are pledging an early access version. They advertise a product.. but it is more like the vision of a product and a train wreck prototype.

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Well I would say the biggest reason why I'm licking my chops at this game is the sheer amount of choice and strategy involved and also the limitless options that a player has. It almost seems like (and forgive me if I'm wrong) but it seems like a WWII Sandbox game, a game where you can do anything as long as the rules allow it. If I, as Germany want to not help the Italians at all, I can do that. If I as the USA want to pursue a "Hirohito First" strategy instead of "Hitler First", I can do that. That is why it seems so dang tempting to me and the map is....... WOW


On the subject of the game being incomplete as of now I guess I have to ask- If the developers announced that they were halting the rest of progress on this game and just keeping it as is... Would you still be playing it as much and still loving it? Is it THAT good of a game that even if it was getting no more new updates/patches (even when incomplete), you would still love it?

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Those rules come from WIF, hence the name MWIF. So it's not a sandbox, but Working as Designed.

The game could have been called MDoD and then I wouldn't have bought it nor a vast majority of WIF players, unless it could be played as WIF independently.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Hahaha. Fine so long. No point to comment on the points so often debated, it's not a crusade. I mean everybody spoke their mind in some threads and there is no point in having more skirmishes. Of course everyone can do as they like...

However I miss you in the forum, that's for sure. :)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Thinking of buying this game, I've played WitP:AE and absolutely love it, its my favourite game of all-time hands down but after looking a board game called "A World at War" (which is essentially the evolved Avalon Hill Advanced Third Reich) and I have a craving for counters and hexes and of course grand strategy but I would like input from players on whether I should give this game a go.

warspite1

It really depends on what you want from the game.

1. The game is not complete (optional rules missing), it is not completely stable (our current game is having issues which is delaying its progression) and there are one or two annoying areas (well, more than annoying actually - the convoy routing needs a complete re-work). In addition there is no AI and net play does not yet work.

2. Set against that, as can be seen from the AAR's that are going on (see above) the game is playable with some effort and perseverance (subject to the problems mentioned above) solo or by PBEM.

3. So the obvious question is, given point 1, why would anyone buy this - much less attempt to play this? Well simply because it is the best wargame - certainly strategic wargame - ever made. Without the computer version many people (myself included) would never be able to play this again because the boardgame requires so much space in addition to time and other real life concerns. MWIF at least enables the game to be played once more for many that otherwise can't.

4. Buying this game needs to be viewed I think as a long term project, but one that at least enables one to play the greatest game ever made. Sadly for those that never played the board game there is the added complication of having to learn the game with bug issues - and that is always frustrating. I would definitely recommend the hardback manuals if you were to get this game.

5. If you have the cash to spare (and accept you may never get your head round it and it become a waste of money) I would always recommend people to buy - because if you have the spare cash there is nothing to lose and everything to gain by playing such a rich, complex, beautiful - both in game mechanics and aesthetic terms, deeply rewarding game that is replayable to an almost infinitesimal degree thanks to the way the game is crafted. The game IS NOT accurate like say WITP-AE, but does not intend to be because it is a game winnable - and thus fun - for both sides. But despite the fact its not accurate, the feel of the game is 100% WWII because of the basic framework the designers installed. And where else are you going to play with every single ship from light cruiser up (plus tons of what-ifs - the British fast minelayers excepted) each with its own individual counter?

6. If you play WITP-AE then the complexity of this game shouldn't phase you. Just remember it is the board game ported to computer and that is smething of a shock for many people brought up only on computer games. And as for the problems, the bugs and the steep learning curve, you will also find plenty of support on this forum from the diehards that remain

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2. Set against that, as can be seen from the AAR's that are going on (see above) the game is playable with some effort and perseverance (subject to the problems mentioned above) solo or by PBEM.

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ORIGINAL: Rommel62

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2. Set against that, as can be seen from the AAR's that are going on (see above) the game is playable with some effort and perseverance (subject to the problems mentioned above) solo or by PBEM.

Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but I could not find a clear answer. Is PBEM possible in the current state of this game? If so, what is the procedure? I purchased this game a few years ago, and have been waiting like many of you for certain functions to be available. Any response is greatly appreciated!

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805