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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/6/2016 8:32:59 PM   
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The result fell far short of expectations. The Italian infantry remain stubbornly in place over the Don, their bridgehead intact.

Taking action anywhere else would be suicide. The North in particular looks like its about to burst open at any moment.

The Soviets buy a mechanised unit, an army and a garrison.







additionally, and again if its not too late, youve got to make the front as contiguous as possible there or the Narva defenders mat get surrounded and cutoff from reinforcements and destroyed

EDIT- better yet withdraw the narva defenders completely theyre very exposed
warspite1

Yeah, I'll try that. Trouble is I lost the entrenchment, but I've nothing left to lose really. Leningrad looks like toast....


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/6/2016 8:35:47 PM   
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The British decide to evacuate the entire Egypt-Jordan-Palestine region and to make a stand in Iraq. Reinforcements are on the way....


Could you elaborate on this decision a bit more? Is it because you want to keep the supply lines short (i.e. reinforcing with additional units from the Persian Gulf)? Did you feel you couldn't dig in enough to keep the Germans at bay at El Arish (the two hex bottleneck just beyond the Suez)?
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I have reinforcements on the way to the Persian Gulf. The plan is to try and build an army that can then strike back.

El Arish? Bottleneck? Well it could be except the German artillery piece appears to have been fitted with battlefield nuclear weapons. My units are in the Sinai are just being destroyed each turn.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/6/2016 8:39:13 PM   
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Great AAR, and must say you add great humor into it.

I do not want to give too much away as you learn your way but give 2 points.

However a HQ is required in the Middle East for you to succeed otherwise you will lose it as you are. You can get away with none in Russia for the most part (however they do help odds) but supply is not enough in Egypt or the Middle East. I know you lost yours early but the 1st thing you should of done is bring another down there.

Also looking at your income it looks like you are not investing or very little in industry tech. British should be around 300, US around 400, and Soviets around 800 if you invested a couple chits in each early. This is always my 1st or 2nd investment as Spying/Intelligence also helps to increase your odds of hitting your tech quicker.

Good luck, and will continue to watch.
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Thank-you. I will try and get an HQ there as quickly as I can. Research - I just don't understand what the British are supposed to do at the moment. The Axis get all their battleships - the RN don't. I fought two major battles and am still trying to repair the units that suffered damage. As a result research has kind of fallen off a cliff.....


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/6/2016 8:40:44 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/6/2016 10:28:35 PM   
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The British decide to evacuate the entire Egypt-Jordan-Palestine region and to make a stand in Iraq. Reinforcements are on the way....


Could you elaborate on this decision a bit more? Is it because you want to keep the supply lines short (i.e. reinforcing with additional units from the Persian Gulf)? Did you feel you couldn't dig in enough to keep the Germans at bay at El Arish (the two hex bottleneck just beyond the Suez)?
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I have reinforcements on the way to the Persian Gulf. The plan is to try and build an army that can then strike back.

El Arish? Bottleneck? Well it could be except the German artillery piece appears to have been fitted with battlefield nuclear weapons. My units are in the Sinai are just being destroyed each turn.



Yeah, I totally forgot that you lost your headquarter. As steel32 pointed out, you have to get another one over there or else digging in and making a stand will probably not work anywhere. This is even more important than bringing your infantry weapons to level 2 (which is the prerequisite for turning the tables on them later).

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A few real life issues to contend with at the moment . I hope to be back with the next turn on Friday and Saturday .


Ok, looking forward to the weekend. This AAR is nail-bitingly gripping with both major fronts in real peril. Hope you can turn it around!

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/6/2016 11:21:36 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 5:15:48 AM   
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Reinforcements

Soviet Union
1st Heavy Artillery - Volkhov
5th Corps - Kotelnikovo
Garrison - Tikhvin
7th Corps southwest of Volkhov
14th Army - Stalingrad

I lost the screen print of the MPP position again It really does need to be one of those reports that can be recalled please Mr Designer.

MPP
UK - 243
USA - 575
USSR - 544


No picture of the MPP to show - so let's look at this one instead Operation Chariot: The raid on St Nazaire was costly - just under two thirds of the raiding force were killed or captured. 5 Victoria Crosses were awarded including one for Thomas Frank Durrant who died aged just 23. Why do I mention this one specifically? Well he was the only soldier to be awarded the VC in a naval action - and he was recommended for the award by the German commander he opposed. Here is the citation:

For great gallantry, skill and devotion to duty when in charge of a Lewis gun in HM Motor Launch 306 in the St Nazaire raid on 28 March 1942.

Motor Launch 306 came under heavy fire while proceeding up the River Loire towards the port. Sergeant Durrant, in his position abaft the bridge, where he had no cover or protection, engaged enemy gun positions and searchlights ashore. During this engagement he was severely wounded in the arm but refused to leave his gun. The Motor Launch subsequently went down the river and was attacked by a German destroyer at 50 to 60 yards range, and often closer. In this action Sergeant Durrant continued to fire at the destroyer's bridge with the greatest of coolness and with complete disregard of the enemy's fire. The Motor Launch was illuminated by the enemy searchlight, and Sergeant Durrant drew on himself the individual attention of the enemy guns, and was again wounded in many places. Despite these further wounds he stayed in his exposed position, still firing his gun, although after a time only able to support himself by holding on to the gun mounting.

After a running fight, the Commander of the German destroyer called on the Motor Launch to surrender. Sergeant Durrant's answer was a further burst of fire at the destroyer's bridge. Although now very weak, he went on firing, using drums of ammunition as fast as they could be replaced. A renewed attack by the enemy vessel eventually silenced the fire of the Motor Launch, but Sergeant Durrant refused to give up until the destroyer came alongside, grappled the Motor Launch and took prisoner those who remained alive.

Sergeant Durrant's gallant fight was commended by the German officers on boarding the Motor Launch. This very gallant non-commissioned officer later died of the many wounds received in action


Suggestion to Designers: Instead of reference to the port, can the wording be changed so that it refers to the Normandie Dock please?

HMS Campbeltown (formerly USS Buchanan) one of the 50 old destroyers the US exchanged for bases earlier in the war was used for this daring raid



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 5:24:00 AM   
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Well having said I was going to bring my troops back from Narva, that plan kind of went out the window as most troops were destroyed.... There is nowhere for Voroshilov to go to - well that Stalin toady was useless anyway so we were better off without him.


No place for Toadies...



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 5:37:51 AM   
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In the south the loss of Rostov is a major blow. I put an army in Stalingrad and try and simply try to hold the lower Don....




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 5:43:25 AM   
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Finally in the centre I try and form a line - the loss of the defenders of Rzhev, who held out for turn after turn, will never be forgotten. Well, when I say never, I mean in the two months that the Soviet Union has left to live..... I wanted to extract my forces from Kaluga but that, it seems, is not possible.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 6:09:03 AM   
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In Jordan the remaining British units are in full retreat, but at least the first of the reinforcements have landed (a new elite Corps de Chasse featuring the re-formed 2nd New Zealand Division). I can't afford an HQ this turn so will save my MPP for next turn. The Americans too are on their way - and I build Patton this turn.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 1:11:12 PM   
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gestion to Designers: Instead of reference to the port, can the wording be changed so that it refers to the Normandie Dock please?

HMS Campbeltown (formerly USS Buchanan) one of the 50 old destroyers the US exchanged for bases earlier in the war was used for this daring raid




Good thinking Warspite, it was the dock they were after.

That pic of the Campbeltown, before it exploded, taking with her all onlookers and spectators, not much of them remained...

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 1:42:06 PM   
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I think we might have asked Hubert & Bill to change the wording to port. This was on the basis we wanted it to be clear what the raid had achieved in game terms for players who might be unaware of the raid and its specifics.


BTW I'm enjoying your AAR - your game seems to mirror my attempts so I hope you manage to turn the situation around to your advantage

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/8/2016 6:34:12 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 7:26:09 PM   
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That leaves the builds for the Soviet Union

With Infantry Weapons added, the Soviets build three armies and three garrisons.

As I click on for the Axis turn there is a decision to be made. Do the British or Soviets want to form a Polish Corps?

I will go for the British. The Soviets really need them but as they start in Kuwait and they deserve to be free of the Soviets, I go for incorporation within the British Army.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 8:03:08 PM   
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This is tres tres grim The Luftwaffe is just so powerful.

AI Turn

Shame there is no replay function. I was called away as the AI turn was going on so just caught glimpses. The Soviet subs and destroyers were destroyed - and I see a ton more land units. I will survey the wreckage shortly.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 8:04:37 PM   
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Simpson arrives in New York and has been told to get his butt to the Middle East like yesterday.

Soviet Union
Just 3 Garrisons this turn. Two go north of Moscow and one in the south.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 8:10:03 PM   
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MPP
UK - 436
USA - 541
USSR - 556

Reinforcements

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As I have no more sea lift left, I research Infantry Weapons, AT and Long-Range Aircraft.

United Kingdom
Richie HQ and upgrading the 20th Escort Flotilla

Soviet Union
Research Infantry Weapons, a Mechanised and a corps




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 8:30:38 PM   
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Rough Seas is a bit boring - when it happens to your side . Seriously though I trust that this seriously affects the poor sea boats of the Italians in the Mediterranean? After all, they had at least a couple of destroyers sunk because of it.

My task force heading to the Gulf has been smacked about a tad - but ploughs on. They need to get there quick because I don't have the transport capacity for the Simpson HQ I am a genius!

Meanwhile the US 3rd and 10th Destroyer Flotillas fall upon two U-boat packs - although they manage to escape. The 7th (Canadian) Escort Flotilla is called on to assist.


Where'd the hell did the other one go?



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 8:38:28 PM   
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In the desert, the British rear-guard are likely to be overwhelmed. Their movement points are just one or two. I just have to hope the Germans are not going to follow.....

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The latest position in the north is as dire as it ever was. I see no point reinforcing 4th Corps in Novgorod - the Luftwaffe alone will take this unit out - and instead hope to be able reinforce or upgrade something more valuable.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 8:59:54 PM   
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I decide to sacrifice 1st Mechanised Corps south of Moscow. There is a tempting target in the form of 7th Panzer north of Tula. I see little point in not giving it a go. The Soviet bomber squadrons get an attack going and cause a point of loss to the panzers - but the escorting fighters lost SIX points in the defence (and the bombers another two)??

The 1st Mechanised then head over the Oka River en masse and, following close on the heels of the Sturmovik's, they tear into the German armour.
The Soviets throw in 18th Army, elements of both 2nd and 10th Corps - and even the remnants of the Tula Garrison. The German panzers with 1-strength point, survive everything that is hurled at them.

The remaining units from those that attacked - disorganised and beaten - try and return to their lines.... the defence before Moscow has crumbled.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 9:08:04 PM   
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The Soviet positions south of the Don have been blown away..... there really isn't much more to say.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 9:13:43 PM   
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The Soviets have the opportunity of setting up three, half-strength AT units at Gorki for 200 MPP. Yeah why not?

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 10:00:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Time to call it a day there I think. I played on for a couple more turns and the Germans had utterly destroyed my armies in the south and were within one hex of both Leningrad and Moscow.

It's been a lot of fun but clearly a lot for me to learn here - particularly research, because apart from the destruction of Rommel's panzers (which seemingly had no detrimental effect on German progress) it has simply been a case of being destroyed, falling back, being destroyed falling back.

Big thanks to those who contributed their expertise and comment

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 10:08:19 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 10:55:56 PM   
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Time to call it a day there I think. I played on for a couple more turns and the Germans had utterly destroyed my armies in the south and were within one hex of both Leningrad and Moscow.

It's been a lot of fun but clearly a lot for me to learn here - particularly research, because apart from the destruction of Rommel's panzers (which seemingly had no detrimental effect on German progress) it has simply been a case of being destroyed, falling back, being destroyed falling back.

Big thanks to those who contributed their expertise and comment


Nooooooooo! I loved that AAR. While you did make some serious mistakes which slowly accumulated and got you into dire straits, I really think all wasn't lost. Actually, this was part of what made the AAR so interesting. I would have loved to see you turn the tables in 1943.

Anyway, see you around!

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/9/2016 11:09:25 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/10/2016 3:57:40 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/10/2016 8:06:50 AM   
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Time to call it a day there I think. I played on for a couple more turns and the Germans had utterly destroyed my armies in the south and were within one hex of both Leningrad and Moscow.

It's been a lot of fun but clearly a lot for me to learn here - particularly research, because apart from the destruction of Rommel's panzers (which seemingly had no detrimental effect on German progress) it has simply been a case of being destroyed, falling back, being destroyed falling back.

Big thanks to those who contributed their expertise and comment


as ever thanks for this - your AARs are always an entertaining read.

learnt a lot from it, not least as I have been tussling with the same concepts and novelty.

Have managed to waste a lot of MPP in poor choices (esp of the transport/relocation options) but hit on 2 things that seem to have made a difference (I'm in July 42 and just clinging to the line of the Nile and in front of Moscow, Leningrad has fallen).

First I put the bulk of the anglo-allied airforce into the Middle East. It seems that when the AI decides against SeaLion it loses all interest in the UK (ok its gamey but it seems to give me the extra attrition just to hold a line). Second I have a soviet engineer unit (I think by event?) and used it to build a solid fortified line in front of Moscow and onto the flanks. Then kept it garrisoned all the time. That seems to give me an edge in making the Germans stall.



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/10/2016 9:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes the Soviets get an Engineer - as do the French - and I used neither of them as such. Given the way the Germans slice through the Allied armies their use must be de rigeur.

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