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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/3/2016 10:08:28 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Ok let's see the big picture.

Now i'am beginning to have a clear view of ennemy offensive.

He chooses to attack around voronev, which is a place lightly defended, and from here he have a lot of options. He can go north to moscow, or south to stalingrad and the caucasus.



The good thing is that both moscow and caucasus are quite far away.

The battle of voronev is lost and i will not stop dead german offensive. So i need now to control it.

My priority is still moscow.

My plan is now to keep strong defense north and to send him further and further east in the search of a north passage, always with the risk of being attacked in the flank by my corps.

If i can convince him to finaly go south, bonus point.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/4/2016 10:05:11 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 51 : 04 June 1942

A sad day for the soviet union.

200 000 isolated soviet soldiers, from the southern front have been captured by the evil german !!! They will also have plundered a lot of equipment and i fear that i will have to face more german T-34 in the future. (I already killed 80 of them).



The good news is that i'am beginning to have spare tanks in my stockpile. Currently, around 1000.



The ennemy now try to assault northern moscow !!! But it is not as easy as west moscow.



Still the ennemy slowly decrease fortification level. But it is probably too late as now i'am able to create rifle corps !!!!!





A rifle corps is created by merging 3 soviet infantry units and unlike tank corps, is immediatly a fearsome fighting force !!! At least i have a unit that can go on part with a german infantry division.

These first rifle corps (created from guard division, so they are guard too ) will help defend moscow.

I will first convert the guarrison of moscow and my 3 elite armies.

Their weakness is that they cost a lot of expansive armement so i cannot create too much. But they are cheaper than 3 divisions in manpower.


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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 12:08:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not wise to merge 3 divisions. Better to do it with 2 divisions and a brigade. That way you effectively turn a brigade into a division for free.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 1:51:10 AM   
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Not wise to merge 3 divisions. Better to do it with 2 divisions and a brigade. That way you effectively turn a brigade into a division for free.


It has been awhile, but I recall that if you manage the "merge brigades to divisions" cycle, then merge two divisions plus a brigade, and and use the minimum number of Guards units in this process to end up with a Guards Corps, you get these over strength monster corps which will eventually reduce to their correct size, but not before being very useful, particularly with Sappers or whatever SU is the best available added to them.

Also by consuming Guards divisions and brigades, a bunch more are created next turn as you are now under the Guards Unit Cap, and you likely had units qualified but queued up to become Guards.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 7:12:34 AM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		I used 2 guard divisions and one regular brigade to create the guard corps. But i may have to create some additional brigades for this

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 11:47:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		did you know, that you can merge all but 4 of the naval rifle brigades into divisions and/or corps? Only the first 4 rifle brigades with the lowest numbers cannot be merged. I believe 3, 4, 5 and 6. or maybe 3,4,5 and 8. I forgot.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 11:57:34 AM   
Stelteck

 

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did you know, that you can merge all but 4 of the naval rifle brigades into divisions and/or corps? Only the first 4 rifle brigades with the lowest numbers cannot be merged. I believe 3, 4, 5 and 6. or maybe 3,4,5 and 8. I forgot.


Seriously there are 4 rifle brigades that are impossible to merge ? LOL.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 4:13:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have very little operational or strategic input to offer you.. I do know some of these more obscure things, always thought it strange that there were just 4 brigades unmergeable

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 4:15:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		anyway, good luck with the coming battles. things are not looking that favorably for you

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 8:09:37 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Turn done !!!

Some german divisions were trying to advance and were punished...



Note that my air force have a hard time fighting german Messerschmitt.

Speaking of the air force, i noticed that roumanian, italian, etc... air force are quite weak !!



So i attack and bomb them as soon as possible !!!

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 8:11:13 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		One question for the pro :

Do i need to fear a german amphibious assault in the caucasus by sea ? Do i need to keep some garrison around the ports in the caucasus ?

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 8:22:05 PM   
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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/5/2016 8:30:44 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Cool so i will be able to send my excellent coastal army to stalingrad.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/6/2016 7:34:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stelteck

One question for the pro :

Do i need to fear a german amphibious assault in the caucasus by sea ? Do i need to keep some garrison around the ports in the caucasus ?

Germans can't do amphibious assaults, only Soviets can!
German just can do naval transports betweeen German controlled ports.
The Soviets had a real Navy in the Black Sea, also some cruisers, they did some landings operations.
The germans could't bring much 'cause Turkey, that was neutral, didn't allow the Bosphorus passage to military ships.
They just had some torpedo boats and some submarines. Nothing to mount and support an amphibious landing

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/6/2016 4:17:10 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 52 : 11 June 1942



Ok so my current strategy is a complete failure. My regular rifle divisions are too weak to stop the german offensive in the plain south of moscow, with no defensive terrain bonus. Even with level 2 fortifications.



If i send everything i have, i may be able to cut the encerclement, with 40% of chance, for one turn... Then have a decent chance of loose my best troops.

Currently i'am loosing 15 divisions a turn in contact to the german panzer force, and i cannot bear that until november.

The german army do not even take high looses doing this :



I need more time to convert my elite armies to guard rifle corps and have a real attack capability.

Change of strategy : I will stop trying to defense without significant ground bonus.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/7/2016 8:18:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		You could give terrain and defend after big rivers. Russia is big and loosing some countryside should not be a problem

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/7/2016 8:30:24 AM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Yes i will doing that. The only risk is that i have to avoid loosing moscow in the process.


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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/7/2016 6:53:43 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Voronev resist !!!

Supplied by air drop, the defender of Voronev have no intention to surrender !!!


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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/8/2016 5:20:26 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 53 : 18 Juin 1942 :

The soviet crash go on !!!

150K soviet troops surrendered this turn.


But more to come as one army did not retreat fast enough.



Only the brave voronez defenders resisted !!!



Soviet army go under 7 millions for the first time this year...



Panic mode engaged !!!


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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/8/2016 5:27:33 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		The only thing i look to attrit is the luftwaffe which have a lot of looses.


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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/10/2016 4:02:30 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		Turn 54 : 25 June 1942 !!

Horrible spring is over, now begin the horrible summer !!

Another time near the end of my turn, i realise how so close my lines where to the ennemy, but it was too late to change something.

So i lost another army or two, as usual.



So now i have nothing left in the center.



My only strategic move i can do to get more troops is to give up moscow, but i do not want to do it.

So i will prepare the defense of volga and Ural lol. I hope germans love to walk.

At Least the encercled Voronez is still holding !!!!!

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/10/2016 9:08:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		how many corps have you built and guard armies?

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/10/2016 9:30:45 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		4 Shock army with cavalry corps. Around 20. a lot of them guard. Around moscow.
3 armies with guard troop only. 2 of them with guard rifle corps. I create 2 new guard rifle corps a turn. Around moscow
1 armies with guard troops and one with mountain troops south.
4 guard rifles corps have to defend moscow full time.
I have 10 tank corps but they are useless currently because of low xp mostly.

I lost 100 divisions in spring, but regular one.

I tried some hit and run with fast troops to have some win each turn, but it is too risky as german air force often interdict my movement and it is really, really effective. Last turn a cavalry corps was left behind (fortunately, it escape).
It is funny that my air force is doing quite well, but unfortunately the last patch nerfed a lot daylight airfield attack, that i was using a lot..... Now even with no defense it is difficult to kill planes on ground.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/10/2016 9:32:47 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		New plan : So i assume my opponent will ultimately go for moscow.

So i prepare to fight him with my best troops at the large river crossing.

In the center, i will retreat until the volga.

Let's try this.



I noticed him moving some infantry away from peacefull part of the front (like north) to somewhere else. He may have issue to put enough infantry to protect its flank.


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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/10/2016 10:19:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		How far behind are you reporting by # of turns? Not much point giving certain advice if it's already no longer useful based on where you actually are.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/10/2016 10:45:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not experienced in this game, but being 100 units down is not a scenario for defensive victory. Let me suggest you take the initiative and forget about moscow

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/11/2016 6:23:25 AM   
Stelteck

 

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How far behind are you reporting by # of turns? Not much point giving certain advice if it's already no longer useful based on where you actually are.


I'am in real time.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/11/2016 3:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pelton has found a way of minmaxing his manpower losses through fighting&blizzard a lot. On this way, his 1942 army is ridiculous big. 100-200 000 men more than in other AARs I think?
1/2-1 extra army!
Good luck Stelteck, even if the situation is critical
Begin fortifying Kubyshew

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/11/2016 3:37:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many thanks for this AAR. It's been a fascinating read. I'm a complete noob myself that just started his first campaign so I'm learning a lot just from reading this stuff.

Cudos to Pelton and Stelteck for a well-fought campaign so far.

Oh and one question if I may.

I think I read somewhere here that Soviet divisions that are lost simply come back even in 1942/43? Is this true? I was under the impression this only happened in 1941.

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RE: Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelto... - 12/11/2016 4:20:50 PM   
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I think I read somewhere here that Soviet divisions that are lost simply come back even in 1942/43? Is this true? I was under the impression this only happened in 1941.


40. Soviet on-map units destroyed after 10/41 (as well as units other than Rifle, Motorized and Tank Divisions destroyed before 11/41) will return as nearly empty reinforcements in 2 to 4 turns. Such units will keep their name, TOE, corps affiliation (in case of divisions), and component division names (in case of corps). Their morale, experience, and win/loss counters will be reset to default values. This process will cost AP (though lack of points will not prevent units from returning): 15 for Corps, 5 for Divisions and Brigades being part of a Corps, 3 for other Brigades and 1 for other units. Forts, Partisans, Airborne, Mountain, Naval, NKVD Border Regiments, as well as Soviet Rumanian, Polish, and Czech units will not be eligible to return.

(In patch V1.08.08)

Since this patch, the units after 10/41 are returning at a cost of PP. This cost is zero for me because i always end the turn with 0 PP left, so they return with no cost.

Of course, they return empty, i need manpower and armement to fill them. Also their XP and morale are minimal.
They need a lots of turn to have an actual combat value, even if you have the spare manpower and armement points.





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