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Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 12/15/2016 7:45:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		None of my Destroyers can upgrade its Anti-Submarine-Warfare value beyond 3, although my US has researched Level 4, and the UK has Level 5.

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 12/16/2016 3:46:28 PM   
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The actual upgrade limits for units vary, with Destroyers capped at 3 as I was wary of allowing them to get too powerful against Destroyers.

However, I'm starting to think that with this research field it might be confusing to allow it to be researched to 5 but for ships to not be able to upgrade that far.

The good news is that this still has an effect on the calculations when the enemy are raiding, as they will sink fewer MPPs than they would have done had you not obtained such a high level in ASW.

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 12/16/2016 4:28:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It makes no sense to be able to research to level 5 - I just checked, CA's are capped at 2...

As I understand it, Anti-Submarine-Warfare in this game is actually a mix of 2 things; the offensive capability of destroyers, and the defensive capability of larger warships - is this correct?

And honestly, when U-Boats are at level 4, they are almost always able to dive away when attacked. I have attacked U-Boats with up to 5 different destroyers in a turn, and they - always dived away. I am playing the 43 scenario, it's June 45 and I have sunk - just 4 U-Boats so far. And hunting U-Boats is among my top priorities. Not that I want to be able to sink any and all U-Boats every time I spot one, it seems to me that in this game the destroyers are way too weak against U-Boats.

This issue is certainly not a game-stopper, I don't really mind the wasted MPP's on the research and I have practically won the war anyway, but still it seems not right to me.

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 12/16/2016 4:49:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		ASW also provides abstracted protection to the convoys themselves, so you are still benefiting from that.

Anyway, it's something I'm considering changing.

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 12/16/2016 5:00:08 PM   
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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/4/2017 12:57:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does the ASW capability of Maritime Aircraft improve beyond 3? What about Escort Carriers?

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/5/2017 4:55:09 PM   
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Maritime Bombers and Escort Carriers can upgrade to level 3.

Destroyers can currently upgrade to level 3 but that will be changing to 5 in the future, so that the benefit of researching levels 4 or 5 is more significant than just improving your convoys' own built-in defences (particularly as these aren't explicitly shown in the game, as they are a factor in the enemy's own raiding calculations).

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/5/2017 8:25:41 PM   
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Maritime Bombers and Escort Carriers can upgrade to level 3.

Destroyers can currently upgrade to level 3 but that will be changing to 5 in the future, so that the benefit of researching levels 4 or 5 is more significant than just improving your convoys' own built-in defences (particularly as these aren't explicitly shown in the game, as they are a factor in the enemy's own raiding calculations).


Okay, thanks - this is going to make things even harder for the axis subs, though, which I already find quite vulnerable, though maybe I'm not using them optimally. Are you going to balance this with any changes to subs?

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/6/2017 7:26:56 PM   
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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/6/2017 9:13:10 PM   
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Yes, there is a technical change coming that will help them too.


Ah, okay, great, thanks Bill!

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/6/2017 9:56:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK Bill, if you're going to allow the DDs more sub killing capacity, Hubert & you need to do something about the "corral" effect.

Now with hexes it only takes 6 naval units to effectively surround a sub, keeping it from getting away, and most assuredly killing it in the following turns.

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/7/2017 6:41:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can never understand how submarines can be blocked from moving while completely surrounded by surface ships? When they are submerged there is very little warships can do to stop them going where ever they want to,this is world war 2 when a sub is submerged only one ship type can actually attempt to locate them,and that's the Destroyer,and even they struggle to find a submerged sub.( RUN SILENT RUN DEEP )

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RE: Reasearched ASW to 5, can't upgrade... - 1/7/2017 6:51:52 AM   
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OK Bill, if you're going to allow the DDs more sub killing capacity, Hubert & you need to do something about the "corral" effect.

Now with hexes it only takes 6 naval units to effectively surround a sub, keeping it from getting away, and most assuredly killing it in the following turns.


Agreed! non-DD units should not be able to block submerged subs

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