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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/21/2016 6:27:11 PM   
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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/21/2016 6:39:46 PM   
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What if I assign them directly to a front-line city? Will they assist in fort construction, assuming there's a combat unit in the city?


AA attached to cities never build forts. Anyway, fort construction happens at the end of your turn (at the start of enemy's logistics phase), not during combat.
In early WitE AA attached to cities didn't even fight if there was battle for the city, but this was changed.

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/21/2016 8:01:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what is the best option with Flak units ? Assigning them as support to Corps or directly to units ? Do they improve CV when directly commited to units (e.g fortified zones) ?

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/21/2016 8:12:06 PM   
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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/21/2016 9:12:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do people want to use Flak units for everything except fightin the enemy's airforce

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/30/2016 10:56:02 AM   
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They will dig in a fortified zone.


Yes, they do. Thanks, Stelteck.


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Why do people want to use Flak units for everything except fightin the enemy's airforce


Because they are useless in any other capacity. And while being useless, they do represent significant resources, both in manpower and equipment. On top of everything, their morale is at 80. So no, they are most certainly not old men and boys, as someone suggested.

So far I've found 22 of them. Can someone please confirm that that is indeed their total number?

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/31/2016 5:53:52 PM   
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Why do people want to use Flak units for everything except fightin the enemy's airforce


Well, because aa units equiped with things like Wilberwinds (a self propelled aa cannon) or 88s were used more often as anti infantry and anti tank weapons than as anti air weapons. In fact, they excelled at AT and anti infantry roles.

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 12/31/2016 7:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had the impression they did it in emergency when improvising or in desperate circumstances. Obviously half of the war was in desperate circumstances :-) That the AA troops and guns were prepared for AT fire, doesn't mean they were meant to do this regularly.

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 1/1/2017 9:52:38 AM   
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I had the impression they did it in emergency when improvising or in desperate circumstances. Obviously half of the war was in desperate circumstances :-) That the AA troops and guns were prepared for AT fire, doesn't mean they were meant to do this regularly.


The 88s were widely used as at and anti infantry weapons in both fronts. In fact, during 1941 the 88s were the only real counter the germans had against t 34s and kv 1s. Given the 88s high profile they were vulnerable unless entrenched. I guess they should have a high killing rate but a high casualty rate among them also if not entrenched.

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RE: 88 Flak in an anti-tank role - 1/1/2017 10:46:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's why they were used in desperate circumstances. Their high profile was a disadvantage. Of course they were the only weapons that could reliably destroy Soviet medium and heavy tanks from a longer range, so they were used.

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