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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 11/24/2016 6:36:16 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 11/26/2016 3:22:49 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 11/27/2016 6:55:44 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 11/29/2016 8:03:50 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 11/30/2016 9:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah Camrade, you are putting out reports in a timely fashion, Good job! :)

acording to the Excel file, the Red army has a size of 5.82 Million men and over 60K art. the Red airforce is also over 8000 planes!

I think you have a Strong army for 1942, came summer it should reach 6.4 or maybe even 6.5 Million, you also say your are starting to acumulate Armament points? that is very good news.

the red airforce is also cumming along nicely, and with the good care you have been giving it, it should soon reak terror from the skies!
maybe you have notice, but pelto doesn't seam to care much for the airforce at all. from previous AAR he used to treat the Air force with such contempt. ( a waste of manpower and trucks)
he should value it more by recent updates, but that kind of attitude is to your advantege, in 1942, maybe the airforce won't give you results that you would be proud of, but came 1943 say, I think it could be capable of great things.

I want to give some advice for the Crimea, at the main Entrence, you have a stack of 30 Defensive CV with just a level 1 fort, (all guards riffle divisions I assume?) with a level 2 or 3 fort, it could reach to +50CV, while that is Impresive, 2 panzer divisions and a Elite Infantry (over 80 Morale ) Division could break through, recon will show you don't have stacks behind the river, I recommand putting at least level 2 forts in those areas, so to have a fall back line, so Pelton doens't simply hasty attack the retreated divisions and to decrease the risk of encirclement on the 1st turn.

BTW what do you think of putting a fortress region on Rostov and Tula? (among other strategic hexes) its likely those cities will became front line cities. heaving a level 4 light Urban hex to defend wouldn't hurt :D

also, when the fort reaches level 4, it no longer decays, so you can disband the fort region to save the guns, and just put a rifle brigade to defend it, I think it will at least protect the hex from hasty attacks.

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/1/2016 4:39:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have certainly noticed that Pelton did not seem to care much for his airforces in 1941. For instance, I think I shot down about 1000 level bombers flying unescorted bombing attacks at Leningrad. In 1942, Pelton has only done those unescorted attacks with his low quality bombers (such as the Ju86E) but instead saved his new aircraft for later use.

I actually feel my airforce did pretty well already in 1941. Peltons Air strategy often left me with virtual control in the air in several places. I could use this to do a lot of bombing attacks by U-2VS and such. If each such attack did 50 casualties and 5 guns lost and I did 20+ pr turn, that adds up over the course of the game.

At the end of turn 35, I was pulling the last of my units back to Crimea. The effective end of the blizzard took me by surprise, and when I realized the urgency of pulling back, I hadn't started the buildup of fortifications yet. The result was the weak fortification you see at the image. Suffice to say, that this was one of the lessons I learned: Playing reduced blizzard, it will actually be the Germans who hold the initiative in February.

I have begun placing fortifications in those hexes where I have a fortification level of three or I need to build the fortification level from two to three. I haven't been 100% sharp on that though.



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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/1/2016 9:20:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mamluke

the red airforce is also cumming along nicely, and with the good care you have been giving it



Funniest thing I have read all day, I give it two thumbs up!

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/2/2016 9:14:11 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/3/2016 11:10:10 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/7/2016 5:00:31 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/7/2016 6:07:40 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/19/2016 8:40:53 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/19/2016 8:42:00 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/21/2016 12:51:47 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/22/2016 4:40:58 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/27/2016 7:54:31 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/29/2016 9:49:44 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 8:34:11 AM   
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Great AAR, I'm enjoying the disciplined structure and analysis!

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 10:54:17 AM   
Dinglir


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Status: offline 		Turn 42 to 46 should be in the same AAR two posts above.

As they were mud turns, I did not think it relevant to post a "full" AAR for each of those turns.

Good to know that you enjoy the reports.

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 10:55:47 AM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 2:50:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good luck ! The ennemy panzer force look divided north/south which is a great thing. A concentrated panzer ball is difficult to handle.

I also love how you micromanage the aviation to produce some results. How many raids are you performing each turn ?

I fear it is a little too much micromanagement for me to duplicate it

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 3:27:09 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 6:09:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stelteck
Good luck ! The ennemy panzer force look divided north/south which is a great thing. A concentrated panzer ball is difficult to handle.


I think the two groups of Panzers are still quite strong. Even a group of six Panzers and three Motorized divisions can do a lot of damage if they are fully fuelled and close to their railheads. I think Peltons use of his Panzers is his main strength as a player. I continously end up scrambling to "mend fences" and repair damage


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck
I also love how you micromanage the aviation to produce some results. How many raids are you performing each turn ?


My bombing aircraft are divided into several types of airfields, each with its own description below.

IL-4's and DB-3B's
I use these for night time airfield attacks. They are generally not that successful, but if I start a turn by killing off a few fighters and damaging a few more in each fighter Air Group, I think I benefir from that for the remainder of the turn. I have found no other good use for these bombers, so I continue to use them in this capacity. From time to time, I also end up using my Pe-2's as a supplement to these attacks, mainly because I have found little value in their 100Kg GP Bombs so far. I guess I do no more than four or five of these attacks pr turn.

IL-2
These aircraft are used for daytime attacks against the German Panzers and Motorized divisions. They are usually escorted by Yak-1's and LaGG-3's, depending on how close to the German fighter air bases the attacks are done. The attacks are ineffective at killing off German Panzers however, as can be seen by running detailed attack reports. Whenever an AFV is destroyed it is a halftrack or Armored Car nine times out of ten. However, it all adds up, and the losses of men and guns alsp serve to weaken the Panzers. My best guess is that I do anywhere from ten to twenty of those attacks every turn, also trying at times to leave some available for ground support during the upcoming German phase. I also use these planes for daytime airfield attacks in areas where I have substansial fighter superiority.

U-2VS
My use of these aircraft is contorversial, and I have seen many posts stating thattheir production is simply sabotaged by the Soviets themselves. I think I have about seven or eight airfields each with nine U-2VS Air Groups attached. They are then placed two or three hexes behind the front and used for attacking German infantry. the number of attacks is heavily dependant on the weather, as that decides how many supplies can be delivered to the airfield and thus how much ammunition can be used. A fully stocked (100% Ammo) airfield can do 11 Ground Bombing attacks pr turn before running out of ammo (ironically the planes can keep flying), and each attack do somethig like 50 dead and 4 guns destroyed on average.

SB-2
The useless bomber! I have been struggling a lot finding a good way to use this bomber as it is ineffective at bombing ground targets. I have ended up sticking them on VVS airfiels along with an Li-2, letting the AI use them for supplying partisans. This was done because I could find no other use for them at all. I have five VVS airfields, each with one Li-2 and six SB-2 Air Groups. Thislets me drop an average of 30 to 40 NKVD squads to the partisans every turn. I actually have no idea if this is good or bad.

Pe-2
The early war Pe-2 is still only armed with 100 Kg GP Bombs, so it is not good at performing ground attacks. For this reason I have mainly assigned them to airfields with a number of fighters and used them for ground support or to fill in numbers for the other types of attacks that I do. This is annoying me somewhat, as I have yet to find a really good way to use them.

All of my other bomber types are produced in smaller numbers and I assign them to the airfield type above that best fits their stats.

Right now I look forward to the Pe-2 upgrade, where the useless 100Kg GP bomb will be replaced by a 250kg GP Bomb and the Il-2 upgrade that will give me a 20mm VY Cannon that I hope can start doing some Panzer damage.

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/30/2016 7:55:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the information.

But there is no way for me to have the mental force to spam 80 fully manual UV2 attacks each turn even for the love of communism.

I may try to play with the automatic selection and stack selector eventually.

Like if i convert with the air unit list all units to night except UV2. Then with good Air rules i may be able to spam a raid with only one click with only the planes automaticaly selected i want. Something like that.

The only thing i spam currently is recon, because it is one click rule.

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/31/2016 10:06:12 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 12/31/2016 10:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you decide to sacrifice some garnison in a fortified point, do not forget to air drop supply to them once they are isolated.
In airbeach supply situation (orange), they fight must better than in red.

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 1/1/2017 9:08:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stelteck

If you decide to sacrifice some garnison in a fortified point, do not forget to air drop supply to them once they are isolated.
In airbeach supply situation (orange), they fight must better than in red.


Good advice.

Without doing to much of a spoiler alert, I will say that this will indeed be relevant over the next few turns.

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 1/4/2017 4:41:49 PM   
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 1/4/2017 5:06:59 PM   
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As usual, I have started my actions with a series of airfield attacks on the German fighter airfields my long range bomber fleet. When doing my first attack of this type, I got a really surprising result with combat losses including losses including 37 Bf 109F-4’s, 80 DB-3B’s and 49 IL-4’s.

This result caused an immediate pause in my actions, and some time was spent on analyzing how to react to this situation. On one side, losing 129 long range bombers in a single attack, is a loss that far exceeds my ability to produce replacements. On the other hand, killing 41 German fighters in a single attack far exceeds the German fighter production, and exploiting this could potentially lead to the soviets winning the air war in 1942.
I decided to follow up with a series of airfield night bombing attacks aimed at decimating the German fighter force. The final result of those bombings were the loss of 15 Bf 109F-2’s, 81 Bf 109 F-4’s and 15 other German fighter aircraft for 51 SB-2’s, 81 IL-2’s, 119 Pe-2’s, 98 DB-3B’s and 92 IL-4’s.




All the bombing of Airfields took place at night Dinglir?

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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End - 1/4/2017 7:10:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dinglir
As usual.....



All the bombing of Airfields took place at night Dinglir?


Yes, all my attacks done by long range bombers are done by night. I do not believe that sending in 200 or so IL-4's in a daylight attack on a fighter airfield is such a good idea.

The large Soviet losses seem to suggest that a lot of figting tool place in the air and maybe the German losses are due to something like fatigued and inexperienced pilots trying to land at night.

I do not know for sure.


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