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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/5/2017 9:34:40 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/6/2017 2:18:43 AM   
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You are doing well.

You will find out like I did in late '43/early '44, the Germans will cease to exist as an organized force and except for the occasional unit in a city, the only thing stopping you from rolling right into Berlin in 1944 is that the units simply can't move that fast and remain in supply. Your units will only stop due to the lack of movement points. In my last game I decided that if the USSR invested in amphibious warfare early, they could invade Germany by sea in 1944 and end the game without the need to for a long land battle.

As others have stated, the AI still needs to be balanced to provide a better defense, which as more feedback is reported on the forums as games are played, will probably occur in future patches.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 7:18:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I will try putting some 'historical' limitations on the Allies then. Otherwise, based on what you have said, there is little point continuing.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 10:23:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wonderful AAR, I have spent the last two days reading it from the start until now. I hope you consider doing others, well done!

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 12:27:16 PM   
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Wonderful AAR, I have spent the last two days reading it from the start until now. I hope you consider doing others, well done!
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Thank-you sir. I will, BT Internet connection permitting, be completing this AAR first but I want to do an Axis AAR asap.

I have decided that the UK will remove three corps from North Africa and the USSR will remove four Armies and four Corps from the front to try and assist the AI.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 1:01:39 PM   
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I think I will try putting some 'historical' limitations on the Allies then. Otherwise, based on what you have said, there is little point continuing.


Oh, but there is a very good reason to continue:

if you think you've won, than change the sides, and see if you can win against your own ghost, or better: clean up the mess which you brought upon the poor Axis side!

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 1:24:40 PM   
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I think I will try putting some 'historical' limitations on the Allies then. Otherwise, based on what you have said, there is little point continuing.


Oh, but there is a very good reason to continue:

if you think you've won, than change the sides, and see if you can win against your own ghost, or better: clean up the mess which you brought upon the poor Axis side!
warspite1

I don't fancy doing that, for the simple reason I haven't played the Axis yet and I don't understand anything about them in this game so I would prefer to start from scratch with them.

Hopefully by limiting the Allied units it will make for more of a game.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 6:03:55 PM   
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My decision to handicap the Allies came after moving the Allied armies in North Africa, where I have destroyed two HQ.

So, what I shall do is ignore the rest of this turn - and take up from the next go. This effectively gives the Axis a freebie on the Eastern Front and allows no reinforcement or upgrade for the Allies. Then from the next turn I shall make the removals from the OOB as mentioned above.

For the record I will post the income/expenditure/reinforcements table.

Reinforcements

United States
Eisenhower in New Haven

Soviet Union
AA in Minsk

MPP Expenditure

Some expenditure on reinforcement/upgrade may have been made by the UK - but even if so, not much.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 8:34:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting choice on reducing the use of units to keep the game even. I'm not sure that would work on the US/UK side since they tend to have a lot less units in game than the USSR does. In my two completed games and current ongoing game, the USSR has more units than I need. The US/UK need a few more, but I don't have enough MPP to spread around the various needs.

I found myself wishing for a way to end the decision events that move US MPP to the USSR via the pacific and Persia once the USSR starts making enough for their own uses. Those 80 MPP would help the US and UK (via convoy) a lot in '43 and '44 to purchase units and complete research.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/7/2017 9:01:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Malor

Interesting choice on reducing the use of units to keep the game even. I'm not sure that would work on the US/UK side since they tend to have a lot less units in game than the USSR does. In my two completed games and current ongoing game, the USSR has more units than I need. The US/UK need a few more, but I don't have enough MPP to spread around the various needs.

I found myself wishing for a way to end the decision events that move US MPP to the USSR via the pacific and Persia once the USSR starts making enough for their own uses. Those 80 MPP would help the US and UK (via convoy) a lot in '43 and '44 to purchase units and complete research.

Malor
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Thanks for the feedback. I will keep it all under review and perhaps take more away from the Soviets and less from the Western Allies. Suck it and see I guess - I just feel at the moment the Axis will be out of Libya by the end of the year and the Soviets will be in East Prussia!


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 12:06:16 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 12:11:56 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 12:17:56 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 12:28:48 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 2:49:19 AM   
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The above is in addition to the following units that will remain in and around Moscow and Leningrad.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 2:53:14 AM   
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Reinforcements

United States
101st Airborne in New Haven

MPP Expenditure

UK - Research Ground Attack, Production Technology and Advanced Aircraft
USA - Research AT, Advanced Tanks, Advanced Aircraft, ASW and AA
USSR - Research Advanced Aircraft. Research is at the maximum for the USSR so 2 x Medium Bombers




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 2:58:29 AM   
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As part of Churchill's order to 'Set Europe Ablaze' Operation Frankton is carried out. Eight of the ten men that took part died - six being executed by the Germans.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 3:13:15 AM   
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Bradley's forces (2nd Army and II Corps) take El-Aghelia and continue west, while the Allied armies in Cyrenaica take Mersa Matruh and destroy the remaining panzers and most of the infantry. The Allies have reduced the Axis forces to just one Italian army in Tobruk. What has the Axis got in Tripolitania?




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 11:58:41 AM   
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Mixed fortunes for the Soviet Fronts in the Baltic. 1st Baltic Front consolidate their hold on Riga - and try an ill-advised breakout toward Ventspils. 2nd and 3rd Fronts maintain pressure on the Daugvapils pocket but are checked and have to withdraw west of Lake Narach.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 11:59:35 AM   
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For the 4th Baltic Front it is a time of consolidation. The withdrawal of troops from the front to counter perceived threats from Turkey and Finland is met with dismay by the Front commanders...




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 12:09:49 PM   
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It's much the same story in the south. The only real offensive action taken has been to try and destroy 14th Army. For the rest of the front, reinforce and upgrade are vital.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 12:18:14 PM   
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A summary of the naval comings and goings:




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:02:56 PM   
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Reinforcements

United Kingdom
1st Paratroops (Portsmouth)

United States
III Corps (Boston)

Soviet Union
3rd Mech and 2nd Guards Tanks (Moscow)

MPP Expenditure

UK - Nothing
USA - The US build a medium bomber
USSR - Nothing

I thought it said Iraqi rebels caused MPP loss - but nothing showing here?



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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:20:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		So where in Europe does UK, Canada, and USA plan to land when the Summer comes?

Norway? Greece? France?

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:26:31 PM   
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So where in Europe does UK, Canada, and USA plan to land when the Summer comes?

Norway? Greece? France?
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By the looks of things - anywhere they like

The plan will be for a landing in Normandy in 1944 latest - but possibly 1943.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:37:53 PM   
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So where in Europe does UK, Canada, and USA plan to land when the Summer comes?

Norway? Greece? France?
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By the looks of things - anywhere they like

The plan will be for a landing in Normandy in 1944 latest - but possibly 1943.


Allies landed in Sicily and Italy before they landed in Normandy. Step up the tempo and minor landings before the major invasion, Maybe Norway that Germany has a hard time reinforcing. Although the terrain might disqualify Norway?

Edit: Although I did enjoy your invasion in North Africa,

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:38:59 PM   
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The British, US and Kiwi troops find the Krgyl and end the last Piece of Resistance in Cyrenaica, while lead elements of the US II Corps are closing in rapidly on Tripoli.


The end of Lord Business in Tobruk - where's Bad Cop when you need him?



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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:41:32 PM   
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So where in Europe does UK, Canada, and USA plan to land when the Summer comes?

Norway? Greece? France?
warspite1

By the looks of things - anywhere they like

The plan will be for a landing in Normandy in 1944 latest - but possibly 1943.


Allies landed in Sicily and Italy before they landed in Normandy. Step up the tempo and minor landings before the major invasion, Maybe Norway that Germany has a hard time reinforcing. Although the terrain might disqualify Norway?

Edit: Although I did enjoy your invasion in North Africa,
warspite1

Yes, sorry I thought you meant the main event. I will be landing in Sicily as soon as Tripoli falls.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 1:48:50 PM   
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Just a couple of things to report in the Soviet Union. Between Brest-Litovsk and Minsk, 16th Army has been surrounded.

Meanwhile in the Ukraine, 14th Army has finally ceased to exist.

These moves aside, it all been about reinforcing and upgrading.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 1/8/2017 2:09:32 PM   
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Goodness! The Ukrainians are revolting! The Soviets took a load of hits around Kiev from Ukrainians that would appear to be a tad miffed at Soviet rule.


[Reporter] So how do you feel?
[Ukrainian spokesperson] Well frankly we are a tad miffed
[Reporter] What because of Russian occupation?
[Ukrainian spokesperson] No, because some remtard thought these clothes would make a great national costume.



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