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Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in Nort... - 1/29/2017 11:07:25 PM

SlickWilhelm

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I'm on my second game playing the Barbarossa campaign, and unfortunately the Axis has destroyed the 1st Australian Corps at Tobruk. What's the best way to reinforce this theater of war? In my last game, I tried to send an American amphibious transport convoy all the way to Alexandria, but the Italian Navy sank just about every ship...even though I had escorts. Do I need to engage more surface units from England to assist?

And while I'm at it, why doesn't the Axis AI attempt to capture Malta in this campaign?

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/29/2017 11:37:12 PM

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I'm on my second game playing the Barbarossa campaign, and unfortunately the Axis has destroyed the 1st Australian Corps at Tobruk. What's the best way to reinforce this theater of war? In my last game, I tried to send an American amphibious transport convoy all the way to Alexandria, but the Italian Navy sank just about every ship...even though I had escorts. Do I need to engage more surface units from England to assist?

And while I'm at it, why doesn't the Axis AI attempt to capture Malta in this campaign?

Hi slick hope you are enjoying the game, now if I understand your question correctly which is rare for me, I am assuming you are moving your transports or other naval units through the Straits of Gibraltar, that slick Willy is a nono.

If you look down the coast of the US mainland to Wilmington NC, you will see two hexes in the ocean, one says to the Red sea allied only, the other to the Persian gulf allied only, four turns each to get there and if allied troops are in control of Port Said and Suez then your troops can land without any interference by the Mighty Italian Navy

Now if you are coming from England I know it is a long trip to the American coast and to those two hexes but the old saying better alive and take your time then to hurry and be dead [I made that one up.]

As for Malta ask Hubert

Bo

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 2:17:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm

I'm on my second game playing the Barbarossa campaign, and unfortunately the Axis has destroyed the 1st Australian Corps at Tobruk. What's the best way to reinforce this theater of war? In my last game, I tried to send an American amphibious transport convoy all the way to Alexandria, but the Italian Navy sank just about every ship...even though I had escorts. Do I need to engage more surface units from England to assist?

And while I'm at it, why doesn't the Axis AI attempt to capture Malta in this campaign?

Hi slick hope you are enjoying the game, now if I understand your question correctly which is rare for me, I am assuming you are moving your transports or other naval units through the Straits of Gibraltar, that slick Willy is a nono.

If you look down the coast of the US mainland to Wilmington NC, you will see two hexes in the ocean, one says to the Red sea allied only, the other to the Persian gulf allied only, four turns each to get there and if allied troops are in control of Port Said and Suez then your troops can land without any interference by the Mighty Italian Navy

Now if you are coming from England I know it is a long trip to the American coast and to those two hexes but the old saying better alive and take your time then to hurry and be dead [I made that one up.]

As for Malta ask Hubert

Bo

lol, bless you bo for being old enough to get the joke of my callsign.

And thank you so much for that tip! I didn't read those hexes carefully enough to know to send them through there. I was indeed sending them through Gibralter to to their doom.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 2:47:53 AM

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Taking Malta is a massive and difficult undertaking that requires a lot of work on the part of the player and close coordination between German and Italian forces. There are also drawbacks in taking on the task of trying to deal with Malta.

First, there needs to be massive Luftwaffe support and the German paratrooper is probably on the list as a must as well. In addition, it is helpful if the Kriegsmarine can send at least 1 U-Boat to the Med to help out with the blockade work.

In order to get anywhere with a invasion of Malta, you have to blockade it over the course of several turns, then destroy the defender, then parachute in. In the mean time, it is assumed the RN will attempt to foil your plans. If they can break the blockade, even if only temporarily, it will set your invasion back several turns.

All this is probably beyond the scope of what an AI can do and it can be argued the Germans have better things to do like getting ready for Barbarossa.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 4:13:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Taking Malta is a massive and difficult undertaking that requires a lot of work on the part of the player and close coordination between German and Italian forces. There are also drawbacks in taking on the task of trying to deal with Malta.

First, there needs to be massive Luftwaffe support and the German paratrooper is probably on the list as a must as well. In addition, it is helpful if the Kriegsmarine can send at least 1 U-Boat to the Med to help out with the blockade work.

In order to get anywhere with a invasion of Malta, you have to blockade it over the course of several turns, then destroy the defender, then parachute in. In the mean time, it is assumed the RN will attempt to foil your plans. If they can break the blockade, even if only temporarily, it will set your invasion back several turns.

All this is probably beyond the scope of what an AI can do and it can be argued the Germans have better things to do like getting ready for Barbarossa.

Ahhh, thanks Klydon, but my original question about Malta was about the AI, not a human. I'm sure your comments will help multiplayer games, for sure.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 5:27:54 AM

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let us know how thigs go after actually sending troops into the area.. remnember its almost impossible to defend Algeria.. and ia will lessen or abandon Egypt if you threaten Italy proper

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 9:52:22 AM

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Regarding Malta, I found it very easy to capture it in this version of the game. After the fall of Greece and Crete, I send a German HQ in Sicily along with a Tac and Med bomber, the Italian Med bomber and a FSJ Division. Takes only two turns to obliterate the AA unit there, dont even use the Italian Navy.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 10:42:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: Boonierat1972

Regarding Malta, I found it very easy to capture it in this version of the game. After the fall of Greece and Crete, I send a German HQ in Sicily along with a Tac and Med bomber, the Italian Med bomber and a FSJ Division. Takes only two turns to obliterate the AA unit there, dont even use the Italian Navy.

Yup, like most things in this game it's pretty easy if you adequately resource it, and slow and painful if you try to do it with half-measures....

The advice already in the thread re Africa is fine, you need to make sure you're going round the Cape rather than into the (very hostile) Med.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 12:19:05 PM

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Now if you are coming from England

England should build out the Canadian force pool to send to Egypt. It's a healthy sized OOB so shouldn't need a lot of British help once built and transports can leave Halifax and hit the transfer zone in 2 moves. Though sending a British engineer from Britain is a must to give yourself the ability to build forts in the sand.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 2:46:54 PM

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Now if you are coming from England I know it is a long trip to the American coast

There are also hexes for transiting around the Cape of Good Hope on the eastern side of the Atlantic as well.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 3:05:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Boonierat1972

Regarding Malta, I found it very easy to capture it in this version of the game. After the fall of Greece and Crete, I send a German HQ in Sicily along with a Tac and Med bomber, the Italian Med bomber and a FSJ Division. Takes only two turns to obliterate the AA unit there, dont even use the Italian Navy.

I actually do this but right after France falls and prior to sending them over to finish off Greece.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 3:12:40 PM

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Now if you are coming from England I know it is a long trip to the American coast

There are also hexes for transiting around the Cape of Good Hope on the eastern side of the Atlantic as well.

The hexes are hard to find and to read. It would be nice if they were more visible?

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 4:37:13 PM

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Truly glad it helped you Slick Willy

old enough

Yeah your right!

Bo

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 5:31:57 PM

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Concur on visibility. I think I saw a screenshot where someone modded the text yellow to contrast better.
Also need more of those hexes in my opinion. Shouldn't have to break up a big fleet over two or more turns.

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RE: Best way to reinforce the Western Defense Force in ... - 1/30/2017 7:14:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Seminole

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Now if you are coming from England I know it is a long trip to the American coast

There are also hexes for transiting around the Cape of Good Hope on the eastern side of the Atlantic as well.

The hexes are hard to find and to read. It would be nice if they were more visible?

They will be in future, I spent the weekend changing them.

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