Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: obvert

One of the reasons to hit any strategic target (like Shanghai shipyards) is to gain strat bombing points. Dan has a pretty good breakdown of VP status above, but he doesn't mention the glaringly obvious lack of Japanese strategic losses. It's mid-44. He has to start hitting anything industrial and the VPs will skyrocket. That puts pressure on the Japanese player immediately, and those targets actually do have an impact as well. Some ships may be building in Shanghai, but supply is definitely produced by HI/LI, and oil of course i the most obvious target. There are also a lot of airframe factory in Manchuria that could soon be targets and likely have little CAP.

There are also a lot of bases on the interior of the HI that has industry but probably little to no CAP. Not to mention all of the DEI targets, or the many large resources producing centres.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I hit Miri's oil in the first attack. John responded by placing (or increasing) fighter protection there and at Tarakan and Balikpapan. That was my goal. I won't target those bases any more, because there's no need to use valuable and somewhat fragile assets to target bases that should soon be shut down or impractically costly for John to use anyway.

I could target heavy industry or resources next, but John has a zillion bases producing those. Targeting them would have a certain effect, but the impact on John's "morale" would be dampened.

Shipyards are a valuable and relatively rare commodity, though. I think John's already shut down Manila, Hong Kong, and Saigon because of their proximity to Allied airfields. I believe he's also using uber CAP at Nagasaki. Ship repair is an important capability. So bombing Shanghai's facility should have an enhanced effect on his perception of the state of his empire. I hope he'll attend to CAP over key bases more fully. If I'm really successful it might contributed the added sense of pressure that will drive him towards using KB, sooner or later.

The Empire is in a newly fragile state. I'm trying to persuade John accordingly.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Such teachers are rare here sadly, especially regarding history. I understand that we cant devote 2 hours to battleships but couldnt we at least talk a bit about history and context ? :(

Both Germany and Britain nearly bankrupted themselves building battleships after 1906. The aim of both was to secure colonies that would improve their trade and wealth, and to do that they had to have sea power, which at the time was thought to require battleships.

So the naval race was on and in the end it brought ruin to both countries when they became embroiled in war to deny the other side a share of world trade.

How much better would it have been to decide trade zones through diplomacy and build cargo ships rather than battleships. That sort of question should get kids thinking about what the nature of human interaction is or should be - take or trade, power or sharing, fear or trust.

EDIT: Thus the need for a broad understanding of history - not just battles but why and what the times were like.

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

I bet 500 Franks that Canoerebel is going to Hokkaido if he dented the KB further.

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Sorry if I missed something, but what is the level of the Shanghai shipyard?

Cheers,
CC

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Sorry if I missed something, but what is the level of the Shanghai shipyard?

Cheers,
CC

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Sorry if I missed something, but what is the level of the Shanghai shipyard?

Cheers,
CC

Shanghai has a 51-level repair shipyard. The B-29s knocked out 39 on a 5/6/44 raid. (We've been discussing the merit of choosing that as a target.)

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The turn is off to John.

I'm trying something new for Fun House:

B-29s from Legaspi and 4EB from Naha to hit Manila at 20k, preceded (ideally) or followed by many top fighter squadrons set to sweep.

John has 200+ fighters based at Manila. The objective is to destroy as many of them as possible, either in the air or on the ground.

Things could go wrong - sweeps follow bombers or John guesses right that an attack is coming and guesses perfectly on altitude - but even then losses should be acceptable. 4EB shouldn't take excessive damage at 20k and even if my fighter squadrons are roughed up there are quite a few remaining at base.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The turn is off to John.

I'm trying something new for Fun House:

B-29s from Legaspi and 4EB from Naha to hit Manila at 20k, preceded (ideally) or followed by many top fighter squadrons set to sweep.

John has 200+ fighters based at Manila. The objective is to destroy as many of them as possible, either in the air or on the ground.

Things could go wrong - sweeps follow bombers or John guesses right that an attack is coming and guesses perfectly on altitude - but even then losses should be acceptable. 4EB shouldn't take excessive damage at 20k and even if my fighter squadrons are roughed up there are quite a few remaining at base.

You have Okinawa already?!

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The base in Luzon above Legaspi. I believe. Naga.