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The English Civil War - 2/22/2017 2:39:31 PM   
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http://www.matrixgames.com/products/683/details/English.Civil.War

The English Civil War history...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War

The Aftermath and Rule...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War#Aftermath
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protectorate

The Trial and Execution of Charles I...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Court_of_Justice_for_the_trial_of_Charles_I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England#Execution

The exile and reign of his son Charles II...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_England#Early_life.2C_civil_war_and_exile

Please post any other historical sites for the 'The English Civil War' on this thread and recommended reading. Do we have any re-enactment participants here?

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/22/2017 3:05:45 PM   
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Thanks for the links

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/22/2017 4:41:37 PM   
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"From Scotland to Dover, from Wales to Kent the counties raise their regiments"
That text is just plain weird. Of those places, only Kent is a county, and Dover is within Kent.

According to the Features section, Ireland is excluded (under "Settings") or possibly included (under "Game Map")?

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/22/2017 9:41:42 PM   
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Can Matrix get someone who is probably a UK national - e.g. Loki or Hobbes on the Ageod site, to check for such strangeness which may not matter to some but just looks schoolboy howlerish to others.

I'll post this in the Ageod site too.


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RE: The English Civil War - 2/22/2017 9:59:25 PM   
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Product page:
"From Scotland to Dover, from Wales to Kent the counties raise their regiments"
That text is just plain weird. Of those places, only Kent is a county, and Dover is within Kent.

According to the Features section, Ireland is excluded (under "Settings") or possibly included (under "Game Map")?


Why so weird?

From Scotland to Dover: from north to south

from Wales to Kent: I guess the idea was from west to east. But Kent is in the SE (near Dover).

All four cardinal points that is.

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/22/2017 10:02:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mobeer

Product page:
"From Scotland to Dover, from Wales to Kent the counties raise their regiments"
That text is just plain weird. Of those places, only Kent is a county, and Dover is within Kent.

According to the Features section, Ireland is excluded (under "Settings") or possibly included (under "Game Map")?


Why so weird?

From Scotland to Dover: from north to south

from Wales to Kent: I guess the idea was from west to east. But Kent is in the SE (near Dover).

All four cardinal points that is.

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That's the way I understood it also.

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/23/2017 12:42:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can see it, too. It's weird phrasing. It would be like saying about the American Civil War, "From Boston to Atlanta, and Los Angeles to Virginia, the states are raising their militia."

I don't know if that exactly captures it, but I would think that was strange.

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/23/2017 11:42:15 AM   
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I can see it, too. It's weird phrasing. It would be like saying about the American Civil War, "From Boston to Atlanta, and Los Angeles to Virginia, the states are raising their militia."

I don't know if that exactly captures it, but I would think that was strange.


Well, US working class troubadour Woody Guthrie disagrees:

"From California to the New York island;
From the red wood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me"

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/23/2017 2:11:00 PM   
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RE: The English Civil War - 2/24/2017 2:21:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tim Stone/The Flare Path wasn't impressed by the quality of writing in the press release for The English Civil War either.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/02/24/the-flare-path-flotsam/


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RE: The English Civil War - 2/24/2017 3:38:24 PM   
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Tim Stone/The Flare Path wasn't impressed by the quality of writing in the press release for The English Civil War either.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/02/24/the-flare-path-flotsam/


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Good points...the developers have time on there side to clean it and tweak it up...for the better!

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/24/2017 4:00:54 PM   
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Good points...the developers have time on there side to clean it and tweak it up...for the better!


The writer says "it would take more than a typo-strewn web page and a handful of mildly disappointing alpha screenshots to kill my interest in English Civil War".

Well, all I see is the standard AGEOD map. The author prefers a let's say Google Earth map? Good for him. I might hate the maps he loves. So what? Perhaps the difference is that I would never bash the maps I dislike.

Besides, you certainly cannot please everyone.

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/24/2017 11:49:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the screenshots it appears there is no means to go from Kings Lynn to Boston without visiting Cambridge, Bedford, and Leicester - this journey: map

That's 216 miles in game versus 34 miles by a shorter route not in-game.

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/25/2017 4:44:37 AM   
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Product page:
"From Scotland to Dover, from Wales to Kent the counties raise their regiments"
That text is just plain weird. Of those places, only Kent is a county, and Dover is within Kent.

According to the Features section, Ireland is excluded (under "Settings") or possibly included (under "Game Map")?
warspite1

Agreed - that is not very clever. Not very clever at all: a) Mixing countries and counties and towns, and b) if you want to convey the length and breadth of the land why go from Scotland specifically to Dover???

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/25/2017 10:03:27 AM   
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In the screenshots it appears there is no means to go from Kings Lynn to Boston without visiting Cambridge, Bedford, and Leicester - this journey: map

That's 216 miles in game versus 34 miles by a shorter route not in-game.


I very much doubt that any general would have considered marching a 17th century army with all it's encumbrances over two river crossings and around the then undrained Wash over the mud tracks that passed for roads in these days. These mud tracks would also have been suited only for local traffic in an era when few people ever travelled more than 10 miles from their birthplace. The longer route was probably much more practical.

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/26/2017 8:06:24 AM   
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RE: The English Civil War - 2/26/2017 6:03:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a map on the Battlefield Trust website showing roads and marshland at the time. Looks pretty boggy to me trying to get from Kings Lynn to Boston.

This link might work - but go to BattlefieldTrust website anyway for info on the English Civil War

http://www.battlefieldstrust.com/media/309.pdf

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/26/2017 8:51:14 PM   
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Do we have any re-enactment participants here...


I was a Civil War re-enactor for a short time when I was at college. I was a pikeman with Montagu's Regiment of Foote - part of the English Civil War Society (Link). Re-enacting was fun. Like rugby with spears and helmets.


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RE: The English Civil War - 2/27/2017 10:51:07 AM   
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Do we have any re-enactment participants here...


I was a Civil War re-enactor for a short time when I was at college. I was a pikeman with Montagu's Regiment of Foote - part of the English Civil War Society (Link). Re-enacting was fun. Like rugby with spears and helmets.



Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/27/2017 10:53:08 AM   
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There's a map on the Battlefield Trust website showing roads and marshland at the time. Looks pretty boggy to me trying to get from Kings Lynn to Boston.

This link might work - but go to BattlefieldTrust website anyway for info on the English Civil War

http://www.battlefieldstrust.com/media/309.pdf


Thanks for the link David! Great war info!

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RE: The English Civil War - 2/27/2017 9:44:54 PM   
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It may just be that English isn't the developers first language.


It isn't. It could have been done better as has been pointed out.

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RE: The English Civil War - 3/12/2017 12:06:45 PM   
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Can anyone recommend any other historical sites for the 'The English Civil War' and any recommended reading? Do we have any re-enactment participants here...


This book isn't bad:

https://archive.org/details/PhilipJ.HaythornthwaiteTheEnglishCivilWarBookFi.org

The English Civil War 1642-1651: An Illustrated Military History by Philip Haythornthwaite.

It can be read online and downloaded in various formats.



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RE: The English Civil War - 3/12/2017 4:54:31 PM   
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Can anyone recommend any other historical sites for the 'The English Civil War' and any recommended reading? Do we have any re-enactment participants here...


This book isn't bad:

https://archive.org/details/PhilipJ.HaythornthwaiteTheEnglishCivilWarBookFi.org

The English Civil War 1642-1651: An Illustrated Military History by Philip Haythornthwaite.

It can be read online and downloaded in various formats.




Thanks for the link! I will check it out!

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RE: The English Civil War - 3/15/2017 9:35:24 AM   
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RE: The English Civil War - 5/23/2017 4:00:42 PM   
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RE: The English Civil War - 5/23/2017 8:22:10 PM   
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Hi. Will there be a version coming out on Steam? I've had a look in the Steam store and I can't see it showing up as yet.

Alan S.


No word about 'The English Civil War' being released on Steam...hopefully someday!

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RE: The English Civil War - 5/24/2017 9:18:52 AM   
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Do we have any re-enactment participants here...


I was a Civil War re-enactor for a short time when I was at college. I was a pikeman with Montagu's Regiment of Foote - part of the English Civil War Society (Link). Re-enacting was fun. Like rugby with spears and helmets.



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