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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 2:47:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really like those independent mountain gun units. Most are completely air mobile, giving a little artillery muscle to Japanese defenses.

Sure, they are pea shooters, but they end up being damage soaks and add just a little extra. Especially useful in island defenses because they can be flown all over.

Nice attack in China, and you should clear that road/rail line if you can.

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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 2:54:49 AM   
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I'd like to vote on the Chickenboy-san maru for my pick.


CHICKIE LAD--You need to pick a NUMBER between 1 and 9.

Geez...



Chickenboy-san NUMBAH ONE!


The Chicken CAN be taught!

#1 Adatara

Two picked with two to go...


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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 2:55:54 AM   
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And I will take what's behind curtain number 7.


#7 Sukai

THREE down with one to go...

These are all mountain names in Japan.


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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 2:57:23 AM   
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I really like those independent mountain gun units. Most are completely air mobile, giving a little artillery muscle to Japanese defenses.

Sure, they are pea shooters, but they end up being damage soaks and add just a little extra. Especially useful in island defenses because they can be flown all over.

Nice attack in China, and you should clear that road/rail line if you can.



Think I shall take those two ID in Liuchow and move NE to try to knock those Chinese units right there back some...


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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 5:54:34 AM   
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Nice to see a ground victory in China!


You could have started much before - piling victories in China.

for now I'm not optimistic regarding the situation in China. In few months odds and table could be reversed much in Japan's detriment. But maybe I'm wrong.

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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 1:55:32 PM   
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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 3:00:29 PM   
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you should clear that road/rail line if you can.


Hai! John 3rd-san needs to watch out for the echo in here!

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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 3:08:44 PM   
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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 3:25:46 PM   
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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 4:55:36 PM   
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Continuing the randomness . . . . 5.


Last one! #5 Poroshiri

We have the Adatara Class consisting of Adatara, Poroshiri, Sukai, and Norikura. Appreciate the help and randomness.

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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 7:06:54 PM   
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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 8:26:51 PM   
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I was partial to Chicken san maru.......just say'n



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RE: May 1944 - 3/9/2017 10:40:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Home from work. Don't think we could use that name at all. It might cause ALL Allied shipping to retreat to the edge of the board and then fall off!


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RE: May 1944 - 3/10/2017 12:27:26 AM   
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Home from work. Don't think we could use that name at all. It might cause ALL Allied shipping to retreat to the edge of the board and then fall off!


And thats a bad thing ?

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RE: May 1944 - 3/10/2017 2:16:25 AM   
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RE: May 1944 - 3/10/2017 1:28:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alright, very interesting, but make with the PEW PEW PEW already? What's shakin' on the front, dude?

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RE: May 1944 - 3/10/2017 3:22:38 PM   
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What shakin' at the front? Not much in all honesty. The 1.0x10^6 is stuck near Panay just sitting.

Panay has been invaded by that East African Div. These, and the Aussies, appear to be the Shock Troops for the Allies.

My escape from Moulmein has gone swimmingly. There are now 39 units on the road/trail going to Pisanluke and then down to Bangkok for replacements. The five Brigades of reinforcements have almost all assumed their defensive positions for a prolonged holding action. The constant state of crisis in Burma/Thailand might be over for a while.

Sent in Nagato/Musashi TWICE as well as a Bombardment Group centered on BC Haruna and 2 CAs each bombardment caused 3-500 Cas and pounded the already smoldering base. No real damage. Nagato and Yamato each took a pair of bombs when CAP decided to take a smoke break but damage didn't even amount to 5 points between the two BBs.

Decoy KB and the BBs are headed home for Singers. I have plans for them once they fuel and pick-up new planes.

A major fuel convoy is due to be done loading tomorrow. WE shall then shoot it up the coast and head for the Home Islands. I thought things would be done three weeks ago but it looks pretty good currently. LOTS of SS in the South China Sea but I've moved ASW Air Groups into CRB, Singers, and Kuantan to help with that. Have also moved three dedicated ASW TF these patrolling.

TWO darned days and the Fleet is done upgrading at Yokohoma! We'll have freedom of movement at that point.

Have been in the plus side of ATA all three days. My Fighters are hitting his 2EB pretty good and that is always nice to see.

On the Economic side, I've managed to stockpile over 4,100 HI each of the last three days. Getting all that fuel and oil in has certainly helped in this regard. If the TF forming at Singers gets home it shall be carrying nearly two full months of fuel/oil in it.




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RE: May 1944 - 3/11/2017 9:21:18 PM   
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Things are VERY calm. My opponent is giving me a chance to run convoys and reinforcement TFs around. Makes me a little nervous! Am running some supply to the Marianas, Singers, and Bangkok as well.

This day finds the 1.0^10x6 at Legaspi.

The Decoy KB and BBs return to Singapore for airframes, fuel, and replenishment.

Am bringing six Franks Sentai back up to full strength with airframes and then plan to deploy them--en masse--at Manila or near Rahaeng as a massed CAP Trap. May add some Sams to that equation as well...


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RE: May 1944 - 3/13/2017 2:24:11 AM   
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Last day of May. With the benefit of time we commence the journey of two TK TFs from Singapore this day. One is slow (12Kt) and the other is fast (18Kt). They carry between them a total of 169,156 Fuel and 42,380 Oil. This is over two months supply for the HI. The AAR will watch these ships journey and detail what happens to them.

Two more TK TF are currently loading but won't be ready to sail for at least 7-10 days.


The enemy arrives at Antimonan, Luzon. It is being held by just a Regiment. The real line is behind this base. We have five (with a sixth on the way) IDs in Luzon ready to fight. Am re-tooling a massive Fighter punch. Need 3-4 days for the planes to be ready but we intend to seriously bloody the Allies nose at that point.


We're watching the Allies. Three small TK slip into Miri to load fuel. We'll see if anything happens.

HI is stockpiling in the Home Islands are an incredible pace. Everyday sees 4-5,000 go into the bank. IF we can get several TK TF home then the Japanese economy has an excellent chance to hum right along to January 1945.



One day and Kido Butai is available to sortie. CANNOT wait!



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RE: May 1944 - 3/13/2017 3:12:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was looking at M-M AAR, you might want to too.


I don't think this mod adds any troops to Japan, but do you start out with scenario 1 or 2 amount of troops?

What is the expected date of arrival for the Frank B? Really looking forward to how that plane does.

Keep pushing the oil and fuel!


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RE: May 1944 - 3/13/2017 3:47:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are no IJA additions for infantry/tanks at all. This is a NAVAL Mod and I treat that way--despite certain Economics Ministers--as much as I can.

Frank-B just advanced another month to September. My guess is we will see them at the end of June/beginning of July.

M--M AAR? Will look.


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RE: May 1944 - 3/13/2017 4:14:44 PM   
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We have reached the end of May. GREAT!

Ground:
The Allies knock on the doors of Antimonan (screenshot) and the hex west of Rahaeng.
Antimonan
Antimonan will fall tomorrow but a three Division roadblock sits at Lucena behind Sz-4 Forts. In the screenshot you can see an SS TF. Those boys just added to the minefield present there. A CD unit is moving down to help defend against bombardment. Supply remains plentiful in Luzon.

West of Rahaeng
A Mixed Brigade arrives--literally--just in time to firm up the defenses present protecting Rahaeng. Broken LCU continue to pass through Rahaeng heading to Pisanoluke for train transport down to Bangkok. Bangkok maintains about 30,000 supply so we're good there for a bit. Need about 10-14 days to rebuild some of the Inf Units and then work to redeploy them. Should easily get that with what is in place.

China--In hex 73,55 (SW Liuchow) a Japanese ID arrives and crushes the Chinese Corps trying to take that hex from a Japanese Regiment. The Chinese lose 125 Squads (1,879 Troops) for little damage to the ID. That Division then is issued orders to move SW to relieve the ID under siege at Nanning. We're clearing the line of all these bugs!

Shipping/Troop Movement
1. Three large AP/AK TF successfully moved thru the SS near the Home Islands and are all converging on the Marianas. There is about 50,000 supply here that will be spread from Pagan to Babeldoap working to keep the Inner Perimeter viable. Additionally two Inf Brigades are carried and are about to be dropped off at Saipan and Guam.

2. Why you ask? Because these units will replace full strength IDs that will be lifted back to either Formosa, Okinawa, or Luzon pending on situation. The Marianas are important and this is why I don't simply lift the garrison off and hope Dan doesn't notice. All these Isles have Sz-6 Forts so a reinforced Brigade can hold for quite a bit. I need those full strength ID in different places.

3. One TF is moving past the Marianas to go to Truk and Rabaul. Have a BUNCH of engineers and Base Forces at these two locations and I need them redeployed to more useful areas as well.

4. Tankers--Both TK TF move up the east coast of Malaya angling for Soc Trang. They are avoiding SS waters that are directly between Singers and CRB.

5. A small convoy of 2,850 TK zip into Brunei and load up 10,000 fuel and retire towards Singers. No interference. Have two more small TK TF moving towards Brunei and Miri in an effort to get more of this precious fuel back to the big TKs waiting at Singers.

The Fleet
1. Kido Butai--18 Moon-Class AA DDs finish their upgrades. They are spread evenly between the three CV TF. Tomorrow will see the two Kongos finish their refits. At that point the Kido Butai is ready to deploy. Roughly 2/3 of her A6M8 have been replaced by Sams. Would love to wait a little longer but need to be placed for interception if possible.

2. Decoy KB will arrive at Soerabaja tomorrow.

3. BB Nagato and Yamato are heading into Beaufort on a Bombardment Mission to coincide with a land attack on the 1/3 Aussie ID and small Base Force present here.




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RE: May 1944 - 3/13/2017 5:22:23 PM   
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We have reached the end of May. GREAT!

Ground:
The Allies knock on the doors of Antimonan (screenshot) and the hex west of Rahaeng.
Antimonan
Antimonan will fall tomorrow but a three Division roadblock sits at Lucena behind Sz-4 Forts. In the screenshot you can see an SS TF. Those boys just added to the minefield present there. A CD unit is moving down to help defend against bombardment. Supply remains plentiful in Luzon.

West of Rahaeng
A Mixed Brigade arrives--literally--just in time to firm up the defenses present protecting Rahaeng. Broken LCU continue to pass through Rahaeng heading to Pisanoluke for train transport down to Bangkok. Bangkok maintains about 30,000 supply so we're good there for a bit. Need about 10-14 days to rebuild some of the Inf Units and then work to redeploy them. Should easily get that with what is in place.

China--In hex 73,55 (SW Liuchow) a Japanese ID arrives and crushes the Chinese Corps trying to take that hex from a Japanese Regiment. The Chinese lose 125 Squads (1,879 Troops) for little damage to the ID. That Division then is issued orders to move SW to relieve the ID under siege at Nanning. We're clearing the line of all these bugs!

Shipping/Troop Movement
1. Three large AP/AK TF successfully moved thru the SS near the Home Islands and are all converging on the Marianas. There is about 50,000 supply here that will be spread from Pagan to Babeldoap working to keep the Inner Perimeter viable. Additionally two Inf Brigades are carried and are about to be dropped off at Saipan and Guam.

2. Why you ask? Because these units will replace full strength IDs that will be lifted back to either Formosa, Okinawa, or Luzon pending on situation. The Marianas are important and this is why I don't simply lift the garrison off and hope Dan doesn't notice. All these Isles have Sz-6 Forts so a reinforced Brigade can hold for quite a bit. I need those full strength ID in different places.

3. One TF is moving past the Marianas to go to Truk and Rabaul. Have a BUNCH of engineers and Base Forces at these two locations and I need them redeployed to more useful areas as well.

4. Tankers--Both TK TF move up the east coast of Malaya angling for Soc Trang. They are avoiding SS waters that are directly between Singers and CRB.

5. A small convoy of 2,850 TK zip into Brunei and load up 10,000 fuel and retire towards Singers. No interference. Have two more small TK TF moving towards Brunei and Miri in an effort to get more of this precious fuel back to the big TKs waiting at Singers.

The Fleet
1. Kido Butai--18 Moon-Class AA DDs finish their upgrades. They are spread evenly between the three CV TF. Tomorrow will see the two Kongos finish their refits. At that point the Kido Butai is ready to deploy. Roughly 2/3 of her A6M8 have been replaced by Sams. Would love to wait a little longer but need to be placed for interception if possible.

2. Decoy KB will arrive at Soerabaja tomorrow.

3. BB Nagato and Yamato are heading into Beaufort on a Bombardment Mission to coincide with a land attack on the 1/3 Aussie ID and small Base Force present here.




If he is embedded in the PI and NG are the Marianas really that important? I skipped them entirely in my last campaign.


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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 3:58:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I concur but they are fully built-up so I need to MAKE him take them if he wants. Those 2-3 full strength ID are needed elsewhere. Wish I had thought of it earlier!


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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 4:04:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many know my outstanding hatred of 4EB and this last turn on June 1st just simply sealed the deal for me. Dan attacked my troops at Lucena and Mauban with Liberators. Both locations have Forts at either 3 or 4. A group of 36 B-24 did nearly 800 Casualties by themselves. Those 36 were only about 1/4 of what was used to hit to two locations. These are Infantry Divisions behind Forts, not moving, and they go from ZERO disruption to 80% in one turn and lose 20-25% of their AV. ONE TURN. What is even the point of TRYING to fight when the almighty 4EB can do this??!!

What a load of horse caca...

If they we 2EB I would feel better but my next opponent and I will draw up some sort of REASONABLE limitation for 4EB versus troops. Use them to plaster AF, Ports, Cities, Shipyards, etc...just not TROOPS! The game engine cannot roll with it in any form of reasonable way.

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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 7:19:35 AM   
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But isn't that EXACTLY what IJA bombers do on a regular basis to the Chinese if they venture into a clear hex or clear base hex, even if they have reached fort level 4 there?

So maybe it's not just a 4E problem applicable just to the other side, but rather a question of the modelling of the effect of forts on ground strikes (especially if pilots are highly experienced)?

Just my thoughts.

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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 11:15:53 AM   
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What a load of horse caca...

In June & July 1944 the Allies successfully use 4EB to inflict similar casualties on large concentrations of dug in German troops. Lancaster's, Liberators and B-17 bombardments were regularly used before attacks to do exactly what Dan is doing. There is historical precedent for this. On July 26th 1944, the 8th airforce used 4EB to kill 1,000 German troops. The Germans had no fighter cover and little AAA to speak of and the results were devastating. You need fighters, you need AAA. Without them, you are seeing accurate, historical results.

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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 11:24:52 AM   
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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 12:10:23 PM   
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What a load of horse caca...

In June & July 1944 the Allies successfully use 4EB to inflict similar casualties on large concentrations of dug in German troops. Lancaster's, Liberators and B-17 bombardments were regularly used before attacks to do exactly what Dan is doing. There is historical precedent for this. The Germans had no fighter cover and little AAA to speak of and the results were devastating. You need fighters, you need AAA. Without them, you are seeing accurate, historical results.

The results were devastating, yes, especially with regard to combat efficiency (reduced to 0), but with the use of 800 + heavy bombers in one time on one limited object only.

I don't know if it was made use of field mass carpet bombing other than in Normandy.

Actually it was made yes, at Cassino, previously, with I think smaller results. As well as at Iwo Jimo (and elsewhere probably in preparation of assault-landings) I think, with extremely poor results.

In Normandy - namely, at Caen and at St Lo, German troops were not as fortified as at Iwo Jimo - at all.

Also the attack and bombardement was made not at a very high altitude ( I think at about 9-12 k feet, judging from the pictures)

and I lack details and data regarding Cassino, but it is known, recorded and documented that the mass bombardemetn did not achieve the wished results, and that the combat proficiency and efficiency of German troops there remained high after.

I'd be extermely pleased and interested if anyone could bring in additional information and sources regarding this subject (for example, about carpet bombing against field troops in the Pacific theater, for example in Burma, Philippines, or Guinea).


Here, John has brought an example of an attack conducted by 36 heavies, and of others, over an extended area and against big units, fortified up to a certain extent, of about 150 heavies;

What remain to be determined, is whether the results achiavable in game are plausible and realistic...

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RE: May 1944 - 3/14/2017 12:20:11 PM   
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Many know my outstanding hatred of 4EB and this last turn on June 1st just simply sealed the deal for me. Dan attacked my troops at Lucena and Mauban with Liberators. Both locations have Forts at either 3 or 4. A group of 36 B-24 did nearly 800 Casualties by themselves. Those 36 were only about 1/4 of what was used to hit to two locations. These are Infantry Divisions behind Forts, not moving, and they go from ZERO disruption to 80% in one turn and lose 20-25% of their AV. ONE TURN. What is even the point of TRYING to fight when the almighty 4EB can do this??!!

What a load of horse caca...

If they we 2EB I would feel better but my next opponent and I will draw up some sort of REASONABLE limitation for 4EB versus troops. Use them to plaster AF, Ports, Cities, Shipyards, etc...just not TROOPS! The game engine cannot roll with it in any form of reasonable way.


This post is worthless without the combat replay. Heck, one of those targets is clear terrain.

Having been on the receiving end of this in every game I have played I have no clue what you are complaining about.



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