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Games with good AI? - 10/8/2016 3:31:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		While, strategy games are probably still a long way from having an AI that can compare with a human player, which games do you think have a good AI?

Of Matrix games that I have played:

Panzer Corps - not so good AI and scripted in a defensive context
Unity of Command - decent AI
Advanced Tactics Gold - I've been impressed with this game's AI. The AI gets bonuses against the human player, but it also functions pretty well in it's thinking processes. It's particularly good at trying to cut off the human player's supply lines. That the AI functions well on random maps, in an offensive context and without scripting, is particularly impressive.
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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/8/2016 3:40:18 PM   
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Wings Over Flanders Fields 3 (A Sim but has a really good AI)
Graviteam Tactics series (can pull off some interesting moves at times)
Steam and Iron (and the other games in the series. No one really mentions the AI, which must be a good sign)
Dwarf Fortress (extremely in depth AI's going on)

However I'm prob not the best person to say as AI's often beat me..I'm not one that will study an AI to find out all it's faults.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/8/2016 4:07:00 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/8/2016 4:29:14 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/8/2016 6:50:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		-Heroes 3 of might & magic+Horn of the abyss (free mod). Extremely challenging AI!
-Europa Universalis IV. Very good AI with loads of computer opponents and variables.
-Pike & Shot: Campaigns. I don´t own this game but many people think it has a powerful AI.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/10/2016 4:17:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rome II Total War after the last patch has a good AI as long as you don't play one of the majors like Rome or Carthage. Playing one of the Britian factions except the Incinni (sp) is a pretty good game and if you can't get out early you'll probably get crushed. Get the mod that lets you play all the factions for the best experience of Rome II TW now.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/10/2016 10:44:16 PM   
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Command Ops and Flashpoint Campaigns are at the top of my list.

Highly recommend either (or both).

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/12/2016 4:21:59 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/12/2016 6:05:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Check out Strategic Command. Some of the things the AI can do are pretty awesome. Hubert did studies on how human players were acting differently to the AI top improve the AI and it's really impressive.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/12/2016 6:07:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: the_iron_duke

Advanced Tactics Gold - I've been impressed with this game's AI. The AI gets bonuses against the human player, but it also functions pretty well in it's thinking processes. It's particularly good at trying to cut off the human player's supply lines. That the AI functions well on random maps, in an offensive context and without scripting, is particularly impressive.


Agree.

Vic has improved it a lot during the last few years.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/12/2016 7:40:08 PM   
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Best AI ive played against, it will kick your arse and then some :)

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RE: Games with good AI? - 10/13/2016 10:25:00 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/26/2017 8:54:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sengoku Jidai has the same engine than Pike & Shot. To my mind both of them have an extraordinary AI.

On the other hand, I´ve read very positive opinions about DC3 AI. Think I´m gonna get it sooner or later.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/26/2017 9:44:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that is some very good advice from all. I think Pike&Shot is very good, too. But with all respect, Jafele, I found Sengoku strategic game rather a joke and the tactical rather boring. Could be as I know nothing of the time period. And AI may be good for all I know.

In a crunch, I would go with everything on Wodin's list except that Flanders thing?

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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/26/2017 10:52:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rosseau

Well, that is some very good advice from all. I think Pike&Shot is very good, too. But with all respect, Jafele, I found Sengoku strategic game rather a joke and the tactical rather boring. Could be as I know nothing of the time period. And AI may be good for all I know.



Sengoku is similar to P&S but with different background. If you love P&S you will like Sengoku. In truth they are battle simulators, not strategic or operational games. Both games are very realistic and the researching work is simply amazing.

An interesting discussion about P&S and SJ.


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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/26/2017 11:36:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of good mentions here already that I would've put on that list! Wodin's list is great, and I'd have it WITH the Wings over Flanders Fields thing, too Seriously, it has really excellent AI, my favourite feature of which is the fact that it's not merely obsessed with killing you, but has this sadly-unusual tendency (for a game) to actually think about its own survival - and has a fight/flight/ignore logic that takes into account things like skill, fatigue, and advantages in number and altitude.
Another good flight sim AI deserving of mention is in the also-single-player-only Battle of Britain II.

In shooters, I'd vote the Stalker series - but with the caveat that it's not that impressive in the stock games; it's in the various major mods (of which there are many) that the AI can be really impressive and results in some of the best firefights you can get in single player.

I want to get more into Pike and Shot! I definitely thought the AI there was quite good, though with the caveat that some of it is due to the combat mechanics which basically takes units completely out of your control once they're engaged in melee combat or pursuit.

I'm a huge fan of the AI in Scourge of War (I can only judge by the Gettysburg series - haven't played Waterloo yet, though I own it) - particularly since the proper way to play that game at any level above brigade is to learn how to delegate orders to your AI subordinates and watch them carry it out. And they're generally pretty good at it, but each have different personalities and tactical styles - as do enemy commanders. You end up thinking much less about raw numbers or micromanaging units as a result, and start thinking about who Division commanders A, B, and C's are, what their troops are like, what situation they're in and what you could reasonably count on from them.

A somewhat simpler, quicker-paced and easier-to-get-into Civil War title would be Ultimate General (originally UG: Gettysburg, now in early access as UG: Civil War), which also has really excellent and very customazable AI - if you like Total War games, this series is made by a team led by Darth of the DarthMod fame who was famous for his brilliant AI mods for TW titles from Rome through Napoleon. They really know what it takes to give you a challenging AI opponent - which regularly kicks my butt in unpredictable ways. If you want very good AI in a game that's quick to learn - this one's your ticket!

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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/27/2017 5:03:26 AM   
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- AI War: Fleet Command (I have the game with all the expansions - 'nuff said)
- Command Ops 2 (the way you see the various sub-formations organise themselves according to the orders given and the doctrine is a thing of beauty by itself, even when you are not fightning).
- Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa: From the AI itself to the "AI" of the various Generals. How Halder didn't lost his sanity is a mystery.
- Galactic Civilization 2 has not only a personalised AI for every race, but you can squeeze your processor power to the maximum via sliders. I never tried GalCiv3, but the feedback was meh...
- AGEOD's game usually have a good AI - and you can give to the AI extra processor time.

Outside strategy games:
- Alien Isolation (the AI of the Alien is more scary than the Alien itself )
- F.E.A.R. 1, from 2005, is a first person shooter (with a supernatural element) which has, according to the masses, still the best enemy AI ever done. I played it back in the day, and I can confirm that it was amazing.



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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/27/2017 6:32:40 AM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/27/2017 6:50:01 AM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/27/2017 10:38:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I´ve heard that Stalker and FEAR AI have a great reputation. Thank you guys, two more shooters for the wishlist.

Also Left 4 dead 2 is extremely challenging using this mod.

Forgot to mention Tiller´s Squad Battles and First World War Campaigns: The AI is a pretty decent enemy as well.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/27/2017 11:05:41 AM   
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Yup. Pike & Shot does have a good AI. It's a good game all round.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 4/28/2017 3:21:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's also worth mentioning that there's games that don't have an AI that is especially smart when unassisted - but have scripting and scenario-making capabilities that, when used correctly, can really make a huge difference. Ones I would include in that list are Matrix's own CMANO and TOAW, Bohemia's ARMA series, and Battlefront's Combat Mission series - all of which have some excellent scenario designers in their communities, who know how to do clever scripting and setup. I do think games like Command Ops (which has a true unscripted AI, afaik) are somewhat more impressive - but there are upsides to the custom scripting approach. I've done a bunch of scenario editing in CMANO for example, and in the right hands, a scenario maker can practically make their own custom AI that doesn't behave anything like the default one.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 5/1/2017 6:42:14 PM   
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Of Matrix games that I have played:

Unity of Command - decent AI



Unity of command is on sales (-85%) in Steam.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 5/1/2017 10:53:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		My obligatory endorsement of Decisive Battles, Kharkov and Battlefront from SSG. All have outstanding AI's. Now if only Matrix would redo them so I could have full screen, redone counters and UI, I would be in heaven.

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RE: Games with good AI? - 5/2/2017 2:54:36 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 5/2/2017 9:56:48 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 6/12/2017 4:26:51 PM   
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RE: Games with good AI? - 6/12/2017 5:09:55 PM   
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My obligatory endorsement of Decisive Battles, Kharkov and Battlefront from SSG. All have outstanding AI's. Now if only Matrix would redo them so I could have full screen, redone counters and UI, I would be in heaven.


Fully agree

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RE: Games with good AI? - 6/12/2017 11:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Conquest Medieval has a good AI on 4 and 5 difficulty. Of course we can't leave out Panzer Command; Osfront. Much better ai without scripting than Combat Mission imho.

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