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Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Steltec... - 5/6/2017 1:48:42 PM   
STEF78


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I play the axis side for the first time for at least a year. So I'm rather rusty.

Mild blizzard, random weather, +1 bonus for Russia, limited sea invasion, no paradrops.

We will begin on turn 4.

North / Center

My first aim was to breach the landbridge. It's done. Russian army tries to build a line from Pskov to Smolensk.



South

Classical Lvov Pocket. I sent 2/3 of Pzg Guderian in the South. Some interesting encirclements.



The losses


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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/6/2017 6:23:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting. no rush for Leningrad. or will you try the right hook strategy?

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/6/2017 7:41:37 PM   
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/6/2017 9:47:11 PM   
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Very interesting. no rush for Leningrad. or will you try the right hook strategy?

I usually drived hard through Pskov and Novgorod and wanted to try somenthing else.

We are only turn 8 so no spoil

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/6/2017 9:47:25 PM   
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Looking forward to another one of your AARs.

Thanks

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Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Steltec... - 5/6/2017 9:49:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		turn 4 after my moves in the center. Russian units South of VK are in great danger. See in Riga the Pzd arriving from the south



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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/6/2017 10:17:20 PM   
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Very interesting. no rush for Leningrad. or will you try the right hook strategy?

I usually drived hard through Pskov and Novgorod and wanted to try somenthing else.

We are only turn 8 so no spoil



always great to see new ways and tactics in new AAR's. Maybe blitzing Moscow is the new trend.:)

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 3:09:54 AM   
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turn 4 after my moves in the center. Russian units South of VK are in great danger. See in Riga the Pzd arriving from the south




This looks very familiar Stef78 ;-P

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 8:33:52 AM   
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This looks very familiar Stef78 ;-P


True! i'm always open to bright ideas.

I used 2nd Pzg one more turn in the South. It allowed me to grasp some extra units near kiev. and i'm surely less keen on logistics than you

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 9:34:02 AM   
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This looks very familiar Stef78 ;-P


True! i'm always open to bright ideas.

I used 2nd Pzg one more turn in the South. It allowed me to grasp some extra units near kiev. and i'm surely less keen on logistics than you



You are doing very well for turn 4 :) I'm ready to see some more of your eye candy on this AAR. As always it is a pleasure reading your well done AAR's :)


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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 4:33:55 PM   
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 6:13:37 PM   
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 6:29:17 PM   
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I think the consensus was that MichealT is the best both at Germans and Soviet but Hardlucks tweaks to the Moscow first approach are excellent as well.

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 8:59:08 PM   
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... but more friendly...

+1

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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/7/2017 9:00:53 PM   
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One has to credit Pelton for showing what he did in AARs while Hardluck only did so recently.
I think the consensus was that MichealT is the best both at Germans and Soviet but Hardlucks tweaks to the Moscow first approach are excellent as well.

I never played Michail T but I also think that he is the best player I've seen on this forum.


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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/11/2017 6:12:38 PM   
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As i'am allowed to post here thanks to Steph, a small word from the soviet forces :

We will prevail !!!

Now real informations :

In this game i decided to be very flexible in the opening. So i did not started with a specific plan.
I did not rail troops from south to north in the opening or things like that.

My purpose was to aim for the long term. I was not confident in my ability to defend something that the german really wanted (especially in case of moscow rush or things like that).

So i did not wanted to commit everything (and loose everything) to defend a critical objective from start, like moscow or lenigrad.

There are no critical objectives. Except Stalingrad of course.

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Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Steltec... - 5/11/2017 9:07:24 PM   
STEF78


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In the center, russian troops are retreating....



... but not fast enough near VK.



In the South, I wasn't enough careful and Stelteck is able to create a nasty corridor



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Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Steltec... - 5/14/2017 10:52:10 AM   
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Stelteck gives ground in order to avoid encirclement. I do my best to keep pressure on.

Center

Pocketed units are abandoned to their fate.



I drive as hard as possible in the direction of Moscow



South

Retreat in order of russian units



Nothing subtile because of fuel shortage, I hammer Kirivograd



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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/14/2017 11:44:56 AM   
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/14/2017 2:18:50 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		At this level of the game, i was quite happy with the situation south where i had some options to delay the ennemy.

Center was in difficult situation, with not much i could do.

North quite peacefull, for now.

Factories evacuation looked good. I especially evacuated first 100% vehicules and the full T-34 factory of karkhov. (But this last one will not be so usefull as i discovered that separate tank bataillon mostly use light tanks, and so i have no use of spare T-34 . And my light tank production is very small for know. Damn soviet planners !!!).

Last point.
I really love playing with the +1 soviet attack bonus(mild blizzard). It changes the mindset of the game for both of us in my opinion.
Instead of thinking "i'am doomed" let's mitigate the damage, i have tactical option to bite my ennemy and it make a game much more fun. I can think of limited counter attack.
The german also have to be carefull.

What is funny is when i performed some local counter attack, i discovered that in fact, the +1 bonus was not needed as my victory odds were better than > 2.0. So it was mostly a psychological help. But psychology change everything as i can try things that i would have considered too risky without it.



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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/15/2017 1:23:09 AM   
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Last point.
I really love playing with the +1 soviet attack bonus(mild blizzard). It changes the mindset of the game for both of us in my opinion.
Instead of thinking "i'am doomed" let's mitigate the damage, i have tactical option to bite my ennemy and it make a game much more fun. I can think of limited counter attack.
The german also have to be carefull.

What is funny is when i performed some local counter attack, i discovered that in fact, the +1 bonus was not needed as my victory odds were better than > 2.0. So it was mostly a psychological help. But psychology change everything as i can try things that i would have considered too risky without it.




The +1 attack in an Expert hands for the Soviets is "ludacrous". I have played on both sides of the fence with the +1. But even if you don't have the +1 attack the attacks in the mid part of the board all the way south is always possible. You just have to set them up correctly.


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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Ste... - 5/15/2017 6:19:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like the +1 bonus. It prevents the easy build of unbreachable circles based on regimental units for the german.

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Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Steltec... - 5/15/2017 6:24:35 PM   
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North

Leningrad sector isn't quiet anymore



South

To the Dniepr and Odessa taken



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Dniepr crossed - 5/16/2017 9:16:35 PM   
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Good progress this week.

North

Russian line won't hold next week



Center

Rjevh and Vyazma still in russian hands



South

The eastern bank was strongly defended but at this stage of the war russians can't do anything useful in open ground.



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RE: Dniepr crossed - 5/17/2017 3:21:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The attack north with 2 panzer corps was a surprise for me as i was expected more push first toward moscow.

The northern front was not renforced, but nevermind returning troops from the Fins front help me to provide some resistances.

Bisness as usual in front of moscow.

In the south, the crossing of the Denpr was the end of possible resistances here, so i ordered a general retreat to karkov for the SW front and DnepTown for the southern front. Dnep industries were evacuated a long time ago. (It was my first evacuation in fact lol).

I had still to evacuate Poltava.


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Mid august - 5/18/2017 7:01:43 PM   
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looking at the battle report...



Stelteck is methodically bombing my plants...



I will have to send back to Germany some fighters

But back to the font line

North

Some miles given by russian units



I send my Pzk on the direct road to Leningrad



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Mid august 1941 - 5/18/2017 7:09:19 PM   
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100 miles from Moscow and 9 weeks of clear weather... I hope.



after my moves

60 miles from Moscow and 8 weeks of clear weather... I hope.



South

No more russians on Dniepr's banks



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RE: Mid august 1941 - 5/19/2017 12:26:59 AM   
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Center


60 miles from Moscow and 8 weeks of clear weather... I hope.





Supply in the North is superb, supply in the center is not far behind. Thor's Hammer (Panzer's) and his Anvil (infantry) are in place in the North and Center. Thor is about to strike some Soviets down.

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RE: Mid august 1941 - 5/19/2017 5:33:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		At this stage I'm satisfied in the center and in the north. Behind the curve in the South.

But game isn't over ... no spoil....

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RE: Mid august 1941 - 5/19/2017 12:41:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		At this point of the game i was not expecting moscow to hold too. But retreating from dnep river south let me transfert 6/8 trained divisions from south to center.
Not very much but I was not ready to cease resistance in the south to protect moscow.

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